Updated OEM Navigation DVD info (merged)

[rmfa]

Originally Posted by tennisfan16

I have the updated one, and I dont even use it. I still use 6.11

How can I get a copy of the updated DVD from you?

[NBPRudy]

Originally Posted by rmfa

How can I get a copy of the updated DVD from you?

Just go to your dealer and swap your old one for the new one in the 07's.

J/k that wouldn't be very honest.

[CameronJr9]

Originally Posted by rmfa

How can I get a copy of the updated DVD from you?

Just an FYI: From the Updated Site Rules

**Updated site rules-Please read**

20. Using the PM system to solicit non-vendor sales or to circumvent any of the site rules or policies is strictly prohibited. Any member engaging in this activity will be banned.

21. No posting of copyrighted or proprietary information without consent. This includes service manuals, software, music, etc...

So basically, the actual DVD can be sold for a fair price, but copies are forbidden. I'd hate to see someone get banned for something so simple.

The reason for these rules is to protect Webby and www.8thcivic.com from any legal issues.



Let me know if you have any questions.

[tennisfan16]

I have the updated one, and don't really need it. I would sell it.

[CameronJr9]

Originally Posted by tennisfan16

I have the updated one, and don't really need it. I would sell it.

If you're not using it, throw it in the For Sale Forum. I'm sure someone will take it off your hands!

[Garrison]

I still want the people I can report the need for an update to my streets. So I can quit living on a "unknown" road.

[Intrepid175]

Out of curiosity, does this thing update any of the programming or is it just the mapping and POI database?

I just got off a trip to Illinois and Missouri. I did a lot of playing around with the Nav unit and I do have a few complaints.

1. The darn thing "inisists" on keeping me on an interstate road even if it takes me 200 miles out of the way.

2. When I turned onto the more direct route anyway, it sat there and tried to get me to make a u-turn for almost 30 miles before it gave up and pointed me in the correct direction. The distance to destination readouts went from 415 to 220 miles! What's with that??

Needless to say, I'm not impressed with the units routing decisions on longer trips.

3. I was getting low on fuel while coming into the east side of Little Rock on I-40. I decided to ask it to take me to a gas station. It generated a nice little list. Some Exxon station was number one so I picked that. I was assuming (silly me!) that they were listed in order of distance from my current location. It brought up the modified directions and I followed it blindly to the destination. What did I find? Absolutely "nothing!" It literally took me down a dead end road that had some old industrial complex (a very small one) but there but no sign of a gas station and no sign that one had ever been there. I'm glad I wasn't that tight for fuel.

This trip wasn't a confidence booster!

Drive Safe,
Steve R.

[8thCivicNut]

Originally Posted by Garrison

where can I report it?

Try this


http://update.navteq.com/df_form.asp...&Submit=Submit

[CameronJr9]

Originally Posted by Intrepid175

Steve,
The update doesn't change any programming of the unit. It is simply the maps. I doubt we'll see any major programming changes for a while (if ever) for this unit.

As for your recent trip, the best thing I can recommend is that you sit down with your Navi and the manual and just play around with it. It'll take about half an hour, and it's very rewarding. I have to say, I've dealt with a couple of other OEM Navigation units from Ford, and the Civic's is top-notch. Still, it's not perfect. But, if you can figure out the intricacies, it helps!

I'll also try to help answer your questions, or at least give you some guidance to where you can find your answers.

1. Once you have entered your destination and the navigation plots your course, take a second to review it. It's just like any other map or atlas you would use. You don't want to only look at the next mile, you want to see the whole trip before you go on your journey.

If you disagree with what the system says, you can program it to avoid certain roads throughout the trip.

(Without the unit in front of me, I believe you hit either the MAP button or the MENU button. One of those will lead you into a menu that allows you to avoid certain roads.)

2. It's interesting that it still wanted you to make a U-Turn. Like I said, it's not perfect. But, the reason the mileage readout was so different was because it's not showing you the mileage from you to your destination "as the crow flies." Instead, it's showing you the length of travel. So, if it was asking you to make a U-Turn, double-back, and go a different route, it was probably asking you to double your travel length. Once it realized you weren't going to do that, it calculated the distance to your destination a different way and came up with a different mileage.

3. When looking for a gas station (or restaurant or just about anything else), you can choose to list it in a couple of different ways. Again, I'm not at the unit, so I don't remember exactly, but I believe you have the following choices (or at least choices that are very similar).

* Sort by distance from vehicle
* Sort by distance from destination
* Sort by keyword
* Seems like there's another one...

I hope this helps. And if not, let me know. I can find some time to sit down with my own manual (and perhaps the Navi unit) and see if I can help.

Good luck!

[Intrepid175]

Hi Cameron,

Thanks for the response! :)

Originally Posted by CameronJr9

Steve,
The update doesn't change any programming of the unit. It is simply the maps. I doubt we'll see any major programming changes for a while (if ever) for this unit.

That's pretty much what I figured. When programming waypoints, I wish it would allow me to pick a more generic location like a city along the way. As it is, I can only pick things like gas stations and restaurants. If it would simply allow me to route through a give city, 90% of my routing issues would go away.

As for your recent trip, the best thing I can recommend is that you sit down with your Navi and the manual and just play around with it. It'll take about half an hour, and it's very rewarding. I have to say, I've dealt with a couple of other OEM Navigation units from Ford, and the Civic's is top-notch. Still, it's not perfect. But, if you can figure out the intricacies, it helps!

I've done this before although I must admit, there's a LOT to keep track of and I'm not as proficient as I should be. I just got through going through the manual again and I'll try to state my observations in my responses below.

I'll also try to help answer your questions, or at least give you some guidance to where you can find your answers.

1. Once you have entered your destination and the navigation plots your course, take a second to review it. It's just like any other map or atlas you would use. You don't want to only look at the next mile, you want to see the whole trip before you go on your journey.

If you disagree with what the system says, you can program it to avoid certain roads throughout the trip.

(Without the unit in front of me, I believe you hit either the MAP button or the MENU button. One of those will lead you into a menu that allows you to avoid certain roads.)

Yup, tried that! The problem is, I delete one road and it routes me in the opposite direction, doing a complete recalculation of the route. When I try to delete a road in "that" direction, it does another complete recalculation and takes me back the same way it did the first time. Here's the scenario.

I ask it to calculate a route from home on the Texas Gulf Coast to a family members house in south central Illinois. It want's to take me east on I-10 across Louisiana to I-55 north through Mississippi. I've taken that route before and don't care for it. So....I delete I-10 and it reroute me north on I-45 to Dallas and east on I-30 which is better but, I much prefer to take US59 out of Houston to Texarkana where I'd pick up I-30. From that point, the nav unit and I are in reasonable agreement. If I delete I-45 north out of Houston, it recalculates and puts me back on I-10 to Lousiana. There doesn't seem to be any way around this. On a trip this long, the darn things going to keep me on Interstate highways to the exclusion of all else. The routing method that minimizes freeways is dimmed down on these trips and not available. So is the minimize toll roads option. I don't see why the length of the trip should illiminate those two options. I did find one sentence in the middle of a paragraph that stated that I can't designate what roads I want to take, only roads or areas that I want to avoid.

2. It's interesting that it still wanted you to make a U-Turn. Like I said, it's not perfect. But, the reason the mileage readout was so different was because it's not showing you the mileage from you to your destination "as the crow flies." Instead, it's showing you the length of travel. So, if it was asking you to make a U-Turn, double-back, and go a different route, it was probably asking you to double your travel length. Once it realized you weren't going to do that, it calculated the distance to your destination a different way and came up with a different mileage.

I understand that but to give you an example. On the return from the trip mentioned above, it had me routed through Dallas as usual. That's I-30 west to I-45 south to Houston. Anyway, it was showing a mileage of close to 450 miles. When you exit south on US59, the first mileage sign you'll see shows 291 miles to Houston. To me that's a significant difference. If the routing methods offered a "shortest" option too, that might take care of this. As it is, the "direct" and "easiest" options tend to pull up the same routeing regardless. At least is has so far for me.

3. When looking for a gas station (or restaurant or just about anything else), you can choose to list it in a couple of different ways. Again, I'm not at the unit, so I don't remember exactly, but I believe you have the following choices (or at least choices that are very similar).

* Sort by distance from vehicle
* Sort by distance from destination
* Sort by keyword
* Seems like there's another one...

I hope this helps. And if not, let me know. I can find some time to sit down with my own manual (and perhaps the Navi unit) and see if I can help.

Good luck!

I found this one. Whether or not I'll remember how to use it next time I try is another thing! Anyway, I know the database is outdated by the time we get it. New businesses are opened and old one's close down but the gas station it routed me to didn't exist at all. Usually there's "some" evidence that something was there before but this took me down a dead end road that had obviously always been a dead end road so the likelyhood of there ever having been a gas station there is next to none and if it had been there, it was 20 years ago. It could have left me in a world of hurt had I been more desperate for fuel. As it turned out, it was just a disappointing inconvenience.

Actually, I did find a way out of all of this. I just break down the trip into multiple trips. To force it onto US59, I'd program a trip to a known intersection at a city on US59. When I got close, I'd cancel what was left of the route do the same thing down the road to another destination. It worked for the most part. If you see something I'm missing, I'd really appreciate you pointing it out. All in all, it's not a bad system. It's got a lot of features that I'm probably not likely to use that often so when I do need them, the skills aren't going to be that sharp. I'll get it eventually! :) The manual is Ok but not very intuative in some areas. It took me forever to figure out how to delete an entry in my address book!

Thanks for the help,
Drive Safe,
Steve R.

[CameronJr9]

Steve,
Looks like you're well on your way to understanding the Navi. Sorry to hear about the issues. I haven't had an instance (yet) where I needed to change my routing twice, so the issue you had hasn't come up yet. But, I can definitely feel your frustration! At least you've figured out a way to bypass it, even if it's not the most desirable.
I actually had an issue similar to yours with the gas station, only I DID need gas badly. Luckily after the bars disappear from the display, we've still got about one and a half gallons left.
And you're right. There are several features that I don't use on a daily, or even weekly, basis. Have you tried using the voice commands? Those are tricky!
Good luck with the Navi. Hopefully you don't get stuck somewhere with no gas!

[Intrepid175]

Originally Posted by CameronJr9

Steve,
I actually had an issue similar to yours with the gas station, only I DID need gas badly. Luckily after the bars disappear from the display, we've still got about one and a half gallons left.

Actually, by the time I got back to the main road, all the fuel display lights were out. I put 12 gallons even in the car which means I didn't have much more than a gallon left.

And you're right. There are several features that I don't use on a daily, or even weekly, basis. Have you tried using the voice commands? Those are tricky!
Good luck with the Navi. Hopefully you don't get stuck somewhere with no gas!

Yeah, I've used the voice commands. Actually, depending on what I'm trying to do, I can walk right through the process "almost" as quickly as I can do it by hand. The trip rerouteing I was doing on the fly while coming home the other day, I was doing via voice commands. It's pretty slick really. I'm very impressed with the speach recognition routines.

Where I've had issues is getting the routine commands correct. Example: I've arrived at my destination (doing my own navigation) and ask the unit to show me my location so I can add it to my address book. When I first tried to do this, I was using the command "display location." The nav unit would come back and say "displaying gas stations," or some other nonsense. I'd cancel that out, punch the speach button on the steering wheel and "deliberately" say, "display location!!" It would respond, "displaying gas stations." I finally looked up the command and discovered that I should have been saying, "display current location!" After that it worked fine.

Commands like "display menu" and "display map" work just fine. I tried "display audio" once and it turn on one of the POI icons again. In this case, you have to say, "display audio screen." Why this one is different from the other two, I haven't a clue. I'd really like to talk to the programmer on that one! Some commands are relatively liberal in how precise you have to be. Others require you to be very exact in your wording. Who knows......

I'm getting there though! :)

Drive Safe,
Steve R.

[Goose]

Cameron and Steve,

Excuse me for asking, but does the navi system have its own manual or is it a section in the overall Civic Owner's Manual? I'm trying to learn about the features and functions of the system before I actually buy a Civic.

Thanks for any help... :)

- Kevin

[CameronJr9]

Originally Posted by Goose

Cameron and Steve,

Excuse me for asking, but does the navi system have its own manual or is it a section in the overall Civic Owner's Manual? I'm trying to learn about the features and functions of the system before I actually buy a Civic.

Thanks for any help... :)

- Kevin

The Navi has its own manual.

[Intrepid175]

Originally Posted by CameronJr9

The Navi has its own manual.

+1 :)

And it's pretty extensive. It's almost as big as the owners manual. There's more to the system than meets the eye!

[Goose]

Thanks, guys. :)

I'm just gonna break down and visit my dealer on Monday - he's got an EX that looks like it might have my name on it. I have faith that the Honda navi/audio card/sat radio is among the best out there.

[zeusma]

A few comments from all the replies above: The audio card thing is the neatest thing. I have a 4GB SD card with MP3s and WMAs and loving it.

On the nav, one of the big problems I having is when you search by Category and Name. For example, Office Depot. I press search by PLACES then enter NAME. Type in OFFICE DEPOT. It finds many locations for the store but all in remote places that’s hundreds of miles away. How do I get it to display close by ones? One way around this is to search by CATEGORY instead of by name, but what if I don’t know what category I need sometimes?

On the new nav version 6.55. It’s changed the funky pronunciation of Boulevard. If you’ve go got the old 6.11c, you know what I’m talking about! =) Also, there’s been several modifications of minor streets in my area (I’m in Southern California) that’s not listed in the above chain. But they are all minor, add a street here and delete a street there. So, maybe your unknown street has been updated by now.

[zeusma]

The new DVD nav version just updated to 6.55. I just got it and it's make a few changes but nothing major. Changed the way Boulvard is pronounced. lol And added a few and deleted a few streets in my neighborhood. Now I just have to figure out where I can sell off my old 6.11c DVD... hmm..

[06xy]

How much did the DVD cost?
Still a load?
Are their free upgrades