Mugen slower that FA5??!!!

[DrkClouD]

I was getting my oil changed the other day and was flippin threw a road and track. In the back , there was a section with 0-60 and 1/4 mile time with a bunch of cars on there. Thats when i noticed that that the Mugen had 5Hp more than the FA5 same tq but did 6.9 sec 0-60 and they had the FA5 @ 6.8sec!! And the 1/4 mile time Mugen 15.2 sec @ 93.4 mph FA5 15.1 sec @94 mph. Also the Mugen is 15lbs lighter. sorry if repost.

[NIGHTHAWKSI]

5hp more than the Fa5? thats the first thing that discredits anythign the magazine published....
15lbs lighter? thought that wing alone would creat 15lbs more weight, lol.

[fhound258]

different divers, different condtions. people some how are able to do 14.1 on stock fg2, i can;t even come close.

[Clover LF King]

Originally Posted by fhound258

different divers, different condtions. people some how are able to do 14.1 on stock fg2, i can;t even come close.

That and if you see the small numbers by the figures and then reference their meaning in the description paragraph, you will see that the SI's numbers come from a comparison and the Mugen's numbers are estimated.

[Excalibur]

Here's a nice little vid of me at the track against my buddy's mugen. His is stock. I have i/rh/e. We both had a passenger.

[volvo9]

Originally Posted by NIGHTHAWKSI

5hp more than the Fa5? thats the first thing that discredits anythign the magazine published....
15lbs lighter? thought that wing alone would creat 15lbs more weight, lol.

exactly. I don't know where they got their info from, the Mugen has the SAME engine and transmission as the Si. I doubt it's lighter either, it's got more plastic on it.

[splew]

According to Road & Track the Mugen Si is 15 pounds heavier than the standard FA5, not lighter. Road & track says the Mugen Si does 0-60 in 6.9 seconds and the standard FA5 does it in 6.8. The primary focus of the Mugen Si is handling and Looks. The Mugen Si stops 6 feet shorter from 60 and 9 feet shorter from 80, and pulls .05g more on the skid-pad and goes 1mph faster though the slalom, all thanks to better tires and suspension. Also the top speed is limited to 135 miles per hour vs. 129 for the FA5.

[mattsbobo]

I drove another 8th member's Mugen last weekend, and whereas the suspension felt great, there's no way it would beat my FG2.

That being said, it's not a fair comparison. The Mugen was basically stock, and the FG2 is heavilly bolted on.

Did I mention the Mugen's suspension felt great?

[06Si_LoveR]

Originally Posted by mattsbobo

Did I mention the Mugen's suspension felt great?

30k great...?

[mattsbobo]

Originally Posted by 06Si_LoveR

30k great...?

Nope.

FG2: same 9K less

The Mugen was hot though, I won't lie.

[0720Steve]

the kit has to add some weight.....then the wheels have to lose some weight......and there is little to no power gained from the exhaust.....so it should be fairly even.....it comes down to driver and conditions.

[splew]

Originally Posted by 0720Steve

the kit has to add some weight.....then the wheels have to lose some weight......and there is little to no power gained from the exhaust.....so it should be fairly even.....it comes down to driver and conditions.

The mugen does wiegh 15 pounds more.

[wrecked]

so who says the driver in the mugen wont be 15 pounds lighter? lol

[mattsbobo]

Originally Posted by splew

The mugen does wiegh 15 pounds more.

...and each wheel on the Mugen weighs 6.5 pounds lighter than the Si wheels.

[nycclaye]

15lbs is NOTHING in a drag race!!! stop bringing it up. there's more driver input than 15lbs!!

[splew]

Originally Posted by nycclaye

15lbs is NOTHING in a drag race!!! stop bringing it up. there's more driver input than 15lbs!!

That is really the only difference on the car that would make it slower and Car And Driver and Road & Track both list the mugen as .1 seconds slower to 60mph, so apparently 15 pounds does matter, if only a little.

[nycclaye]

so according to that logic, if I weigh 160 and my buddy weighs 175 I'll win in the quarter? That's retarded...

There's much more differences like springs, compression rates on the struts, different suspensions transfer weight differently on launching, different tires, wheels, etc...

It's not limited to saying "15lbs is the reason"....

[splew]

Originally Posted by nycclaye

so according to that logic, if I weigh 160 and my buddy weighs 175 I'll win in the quarter? That's retarded...

There's much more differences like springs, compression rates on the struts, different suspensions transfer weight differently on launching, different tires, wheels, etc...

It's not limited to saying "15lbs is the reason"....

Obviously technique has some thing to do with it but these car magazines do multiple runs with multiple drivers with multiple techniques and they find the average time. So according to this the Mugen Si was on average .1 seconds slower to 60 than the standard Si.
Also I never said that 15 pounds will always make you slower. What I meant is that everything about the Mugen indicates that it should accelerate faster except the weight. The suspension is stiffer which means less rear squat and more traction for the front tires. The tires are stickier and offer more traction. The exhaust has better flow. The wheels/tires are lighter so they have less rotational inertia. All of these things should make the Mugen Si get to 60 faster. The only two performance degrading differences on the Mugen Si are the weight and the extra drag from the body kit. The drag would have little to no affect on a 0-60 time so the only thing left that would make the Mugen Si slower is the weight. As far as testing conditions and technique, since the magazines conduct a wide variety of runs with different drivers in different conditions these two factors don't affect the accelration times.

Think next time before you call my logic retarded.

[AllShowNoGo]

the fact that the mugen is heavier than the coupe si doesn't surprise me at all. why do you think sedans usually cost more than the coupe? it's more metal on the sedan.

[fox]

sedans only cost $200 more than coupes.... it's more of the demand for each.