Mugen slower that FA5??!!!

[AllShowNoGo]

^depends on where you go.

multiple honda dealers have told me that sedans cost more simply b/c of more metal on the car to make it into a sedan.

[splew]

Originally Posted by AllShowNoGo

^depends on where you go.

multiple honda dealers have told me that sedans cost more simply b/c of more metal on the car to make it into a sedan.

Two more power windows and locks and more complex rear interior trim probably have something to do with it too.

[AllShowNoGo]

Originally Posted by splew

Two more power windows and locks and more complex rear interior trim probably have something to do with it too.

yes, that as well.

[mmmken]

In Canada, coupes actually cost more than sedans because of the high demand.

[Snake-eyes]

Originally Posted by DrkClouD

I was getting my oil changed the other day and was flippin threw a road and track. In the back , there was a section with 0-60 and 1/4 mile time with a bunch of cars on there. Thats when i noticed that that the Mugen had 5Hp more than the FA5 same tq but did 6.9 sec 0-60 and they had the FA5 @ 6.8sec!! And the 1/4 mile time Mugen 15.2 sec @ 93.4 mph FA5 15.1 sec @94 mph. Also the Mugen is 15lbs lighter. sorry if repost.

wow we have a magazine racer

[nycclaye]

Originally Posted by splew

Obviously technique has some thing to do with it but these car magazines do multiple runs with multiple drivers with multiple techniques and they find the average time. So according to this the Mugen Si was on average .1 seconds slower to 60 than the standard Si.
Also I never said that 15 pounds will always make you slower. What I meant is that everything about the Mugen indicates that it should accelerate faster except the weight. The suspension is stiffer which means less rear squat and more traction for the front tires. The tires are stickier and offer more traction. The exhaust has better flow. The wheels/tires are lighter so they have less rotational inertia. All of these things should make the Mugen Si get to 60 faster. The only two performance degrading differences on the Mugen Si are the weight and the extra drag from the body kit. The drag would have little to no affect on a 0-60 time so the only thing left that would make the Mugen Si slower is the weight. As far as testing conditions and technique, since the magazines conduct a wide variety of runs with different drivers in different conditions these two factors don't affect the accelration times.

Think next time before you call my logic retarded.

Originally Posted by splew

The mugen does wiegh 15 pounds more.

you justt contraticted yourself....

[BlackHFP]

Originally Posted by splew

Obviously technique has some thing to do with it but these car magazines do multiple runs with multiple drivers with multiple techniques and they find the average time. So according to this the Mugen Si was on average .1 seconds slower to 60 than the standard Si.
Also I never said that 15 pounds will always make you slower. What I meant is that everything about the Mugen indicates that it should accelerate faster except the weight. The suspension is stiffer which means less rear squat and more traction for the front tires. The tires are stickier and offer more traction. The exhaust has better flow. The wheels/tires are lighter so they have less rotational inertia. All of these things should make the Mugen Si get to 60 faster. The only two performance degrading differences on the Mugen Si are the weight and the extra drag from the body kit. The drag would have little to no affect on a 0-60 time so the only thing left that would make the Mugen Si slower is the weight. As far as testing conditions and technique, since the magazines conduct a wide variety of runs with different drivers in different conditions these two factors don't affect the accelration times.

Think next time before you call my logic retarded.

Originally Posted by Clover LF King

That and if you see the small numbers by the figures and then reference their meaning in the description paragraph, you will see that the SI's numbers come from a comparison and the Mugen's numbers are estimated.

[AllShowNoGo]

omgosh this thread is dumb. WHO CARES IF THE MUGEN IS SLOWER THAN THE STANDARD SI?!? the mugen Si is ALL looks, IMO. there are no performance mods that come with it in terms of the engine.

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by AllShowNoGo

omgosh this thread is dumb. WHO CARES IF THE MUGEN IS SLOWER THAN THE STANDARD SI?!? the mugen Si is ALL looks, IMO. there are no performance mods that come with it in terms of the engine.

You're right.

[HTX]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

You're right.

nice vid u pulled the mugen pretty bad. the mugen si is for ricers. All that extra money for a bodykit, wing, and badges all over with no money spent under the hood. Sounds like rice to me. Imo the suspention is not enough to save it from the "rice stamp".

[halfNhalf83]

Originally Posted by HTX

nice vid u pulled the mugen pretty bad. the mugen si is for ricers. All that extra money for a bodykit, wing, and badges all over with no money spent under the hood. Sounds like rice to me. Imo the suspention is not enough to save it from the "rice stamp".

WoW. there is MORE to labeling a car as having "performance" than just adding shit under the hood.

thats a ridiculous comment.....

[splew]

Originally Posted by nycclaye

you justt contraticted yourself....

How did I contradict myself? When I said "the Mugen is 15 pounds heavier" I was offering that as a explanation as to why it was slower. If you had read my post that you quoted you would have seen that I stated all the Mugen mods should have made it faster, the only thing that could explain it being slower is the weight. Next time read my whole post before responding. BTW, just only has one "t" and you spelled contradicted wrong.

Okay, BlackHFP, I admit that you were right about the Road & Track result being an estimate but the Car And Driver time that also listed the mugen Si as .1 seconds slower wasn't.

[splew]

Originally Posted by HTX

nice vid u pulled the mugen pretty bad. the mugen si is for ricers. All that extra money for a bodykit, wing, and badges all over with no money spent under the hood. Sounds like rice to me. Imo the suspention is not enough to save it from the "rice stamp".

The Mugen Si does have wheel, tire and suspension upgrades, but alot of the money probably goes towards the body kit, wing and exhaust, so you're right, pretty rice.

[HTX]

Originally Posted by halfNhalf83

WoW. there is MORE to labeling a car as having "performance" than just adding shit under the hood.

thats a ridiculous comment.....

so what are u sayin the super light mugen badges help it in the corners?
thats not rediculous thats what it is when u think about it. Its the same thing everybody shits on ricers for. Stupid wings, body kits, excessive badging. If it wasnt mugen whored all over it somebody would be crying rice.

[HTX]

Originally Posted by splew

The Mugen Si does have wheel, tire and suspension upgrades, but alot of the money probably goes towards the body kit, wing and exhaust, so you're right, pretty rice.

So ur sayin if its expensive and ugly its ok but if its cheap and ugly its rice? OK?
yeah that exhaust is a real performer along with that body kit. The only 2 undeniable performance parts on this car are the wheels and suspention. The rest is just mugen fanboi shit

[SiCivic83]

The hp and weight difference doesn't really even matter. Its so small that it doesn't change much. It depends more on the driver. If one driver is better than the other, that will make all the difference in the world.

[splew]

Originally Posted by HTX

So ur sayin if its expensive and ugly its ok but if its cheap and ugly its rice? OK?
yeah that exhaust is a real performer along with that body kit. The only 2 undeniable performance parts on this car are the wheels and suspention. The rest is just mugen fanboi shit

No, I was agreeing with you smart guy, it is pretty rice. I was saying that the suspension upgrades are the only useful mod on the Mugen. I also said that too much of the cost goes toward a body kit and wing that just adds weight an exhaust that doesn't have any factory proven horsepower gain. The body mods and exhaust are rice because they serve no purpose except to look cool. Honda should offer the Mugen suspension and wheels/tires as an option for the FG2/FA5 so you could have all the handling/braking benefit minus the extra weight.

[HTX]

well then i apologize. i missunderstood your post.

[splew]

Originally Posted by HTX

well then i apologize. i missunderstood your post.

No problem, It's no big deal.

[AllShowNoGo]

Originally Posted by HTX

nice vid u pulled the mugen pretty bad. the mugen si is for ricers. All that extra money for a bodykit, wing, and badges all over with no money spent under the hood. Sounds like rice to me. Imo the suspention is not enough to save it from the "rice stamp".

ummm, while i may say the mugen si is all looks, i def. don't agree that it's rice. how is the mugen si rice? it's a LIMITED production edition of the 8th gen civic, which you can't even buy the parts (ie bodykit, shift knob, etc.) from honda for a standard Si unless another mugen si owner was willing to sell it to you.

Originally Posted by halfNhalf83

WoW. there is MORE to labeling a car as having "performance" than just adding shit under the hood.

thats a ridiculous comment.....

i agree 100%.