So when is the Prelude coming back?

[KManZ]

You can actually thank the Honda Accord Coupe for the death of the Prelude. A brand new Prelude was hitting the 25k mark when it was discontinued, and at the same time you could grab a loaded, more powerful V6 Accord Coupe for the same price.

But yeah, I love seeing Prelude hate, which means less people will buy it, meaning less rice out/modding, so when I eventually go to buy another 5th Gen, there will be more available :)

[splew]

Originally Posted by KManZ

You can actually thank the Honda Accord Coupe for the death of the Prelude. A brand new Prelude was hitting the 25k mark when it was discontinued, and at the same time you could grab a loaded, more powerful V6 Accord Coupe for the same price.

But yeah, I love seeing Prelude hate, which means less people will buy it, meaning less rice out/modding, so when I eventually go to buy another 5th Gen, there will be more available :)

I don't think the Accord coupe killed the prelude, I think the s2000 kind of became honda's premium sports car, that and with the civic Si there was no more room for another 4cyl. sports/sporty car.

['06Siguy]

Have you heard of Hyundai's new Tiburon? I can't remember what they called it, but it was over 300Hp and RWD.

[CanyonDriver]

Originally Posted by '06Siguy

Have you heard of Hyundai's new Tiburon? I can't remember what they called it, but it was over 300Hp and RWD.

Its called the Genesis. I can't wait to see how ****** up the quality of that thing is. That kind of power for that little money is a recipe for UNreliability.

['06Siguy]

Originally Posted by CanyonDriver

Its called the Genesis. I can't wait to see how ****** up the quality of that thing is. That kind of power for that little money is a recipe for UNreliability.

:Edit:

Your right, It's the Genesis coupe. Could be badass.

[Sirbelch]

The Genesis' main competitor is the G35. 300 hp 3.8L V6, and its with in an inch in almost every dimension. Although one of the engines offered will be from the EVO X but WAAAAAAY detuned to 210 ish hp.


I don't see Honda putting a turbo on the next Si (yet another reason the Lude died, Honda knew the Si would be cheaper and out perform the Lude). Direct injection and a bump to 2.2L. That should easily put the Si in the 250 hp range and still keep that high winding feel, with better mpg and better emissions to boot.

To make an Evo/STi competitor, all they need to to is put a CTR engine in the new CR-Z concept and have it weigh less than 2500 lbs. That would give it the same power to weight ratio as the Evo/STi and it should handle a lot better because its 1000 lbs lighter. Of course that could only happen if the next S2000 will have more performance than the CR-Z I just made up.

[Sirbelch]

Why does everyone want AWD anyway? Its heavy, sucks up a lot of power (using a lot of gas in the process), they handle like FWD car, understeering at the limit. I just don't get it. Its good if you want to go fast in the dirt/snow (the reason the STi/Evo exist in the first place) and they are good at drag lauches, at low power levels, as long as the drive line does't break in the process. After that, its just sucking up horse power.

[splew]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Why does everyone want AWD anyway? Its heavy, sucks up a lot of power (using a lot of gas in the process), they handle like FWD car, understeering at the limit. I just don't get it. Its good if you want to go fast in the dirt/snow (the reason the STi/Evo exist in the first place) and they are good at drag lauches, at low power levels, as long as the drive line does't break in the process. After that, its just sucking up horse power.

The AWD cars you are thinking of are FWD based or transverse engine AWD cars. Cars like the Nissan GT-R have RWD based or longitudal engine AWD, which makes the car handle like RWD car. In the GT-R power is only sent to the front tires for increased traction. In this case AWD provides quicker acceleration and far better rain and snow handling. BTW almost all cars, including RWD cars are naturally set up to under steer be it through suspension tuning, tires or stability/traction control. It's done in the interest of safety.

[speedster]

Originally Posted by splew

The AWD cars you are thinking of are FWD based or transverse engine AWD cars. Cars like the Nissan GT-R have RWD based or longitudal engine AWD, which makes the car handle like RWD car. In the GT-R power is only sent to the front tires for increased traction. In this case AWD provides quicker acceleration and far better rain and snow handling. BTW almost all cars, including RWD cars are naturally set up no under steer be it through suspension tuning, tires or stability/traction control. It's done in the interest of safety.

True. We design all our cars, from Pilots to Fits to induce understeer. Most all manufactuers do this for safety reasons. The general tendency for the majority of drivers during a skid is to let off the gas. In an understeer car this will bring the car back in control, in an oversteer car this will cause it to spin or snap the opposite direction. Any car, regardless of engine and drivetrain L/O can be tuned to handle in a variety of ways.

[Sirbelch]

Even on the track, you have to set up AWD cars like FWD cars.

The STi has a longitudal engine too.

Its not the fact that the GT-R's engine is longitudal that makes it handle better, it the fact that its a RWD car until, things start to go wrong at which point the fronts step in and save the day. Also, it has nearly the same weight distribution as most RWD cars. If you made the GT-R into a RWD car, it would spank its AWD brother around a track because it would be lighter, have better weight distribution, and more power would reach the ground because its not lost in the extra drive shaft, transfer case, diff, and axles.

[e60.deluxe]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Even on the track, you have to set up AWD cars like FWD cars.

The STi has a longitudal engine too.

Its not the fact that the GT-R's engine is longitudal that makes it handle better, it the fact that its a RWD car until, things start to go wrong at which point the fronts step in and save the day. Also, it has nearly the same weight distribution as most RWD cars. If you made the GT-R into a RWD car, it would spank its AWD brother around a track because it would be lighter, have better weight distribution, and more power would reach the ground because its not lost in the extra drive shaft, transfer case, diff, and axles.

the GT-R has a weight distribution of most FR cars, yes, but not most FR sports cars. most sports cars are 50/50 or even 45/55 in some cases. since the weight is moved forward when slowing down, a slight rear bias is desired.

the GT-R is 55/45, so its still a bit front heavy. considering more specifically FMR, meaning the center of gravity of the engine falls behind the front axles, its not really that great weight balance. you can see how much AWD hurts the weight balance.

['06Siguy]

Yeah,that, and I hear they put out the power 70% rear and 30% front.

[e60.deluxe]

Originally Posted by '06Siguy

Yeah,that, and I hear they put out the power 70% rear and 30% front.

its like 98 rear, 2 front.

[splew]

Originally Posted by '06Siguy

Yeah,that, and I hear they put out the power 70% rear and 30% front.

Originally Posted by e60.deluxe

its like 98 rear, 2 front.

Try again, strait out of Car and Driver: "under normal conditions about 90% of engine torque flows to the rear wheels, but an on board computer-working off wheel-speed, steering position,throttle and yaw rate sensors- can direct up to 50% to the front axle via an electronically controlled clutch pack"

[e60.deluxe]

The GT-R's handling was in a league by itself. The suspension felt more compliant than the Japan-spec model's, yet still provided unbelievable stability through all variety of corners. Just when you think you feel the rear end coming out, stay on the throttle and let the ATTESA E-TS awd system do its thing. It'll immediately transfer as much as 50 percent of the engine torque to the front wheels (the torque split for normal driving is 2/98), stabilizing the car without sacrificing speed. The Nissan's handling balance is so spectacular that it registered 1.01g on the skidpad and romped through the slalom at an impressive 73.4 mph, about 3 mph faster than the others (and faster than the Ferrari Enzo).

ROADandTRACK.com -- Comparison Tests - Comparison Test: 2009 Nissan GT-R (5/2008)

im not saying your wrong but, my they might have meant 90+ percent, or just estimated without knowing the actual number. ive heard 2/98 in several places, as well as "practically RWD" in other places.

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by e60.deluxe

ROADandTRACK.com -- Comparison Tests - Comparison Test: 2009 Nissan GT-R (5/2008)

im not saying your wrong but, my they might have meant 90+ percent, or just estimated without knowing the actual number. ive heard 2/98 in several places, as well as "practically RWD" in other places.

The GT-R is the one of the best handling AWD cars in the world, because its a RWD car most of the time.