Spied BMW M1!!!!

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by GoHuskies

So this isn't an M version for the new 1 series but a whole different, more expensive supercar?

Yes. The original "M" was badged as the "M1". Which is this one:

Plastic body, design by Lamborghini, made to be used in GT-class races....then they were made illegal when they actually came out.

[NcA]

Originally Posted by Izzy

then they were made illegal when they actually came out.

Not in the UK and Europe! There used to be 2 that I saw driving round in the south-east of England on a regular basis. It made my day every-time I saw one

[e60.deluxe]

err why is there a bulge on the hood of a Mid engined car?
unless the M1 is now changed to front engined i say fake.

[e60.deluxe]

Originally Posted by NcA

Not in the UK and Europe! There used to be 2 that I saw driving round in the south-east of England on a regular basis. It made my day every-time I saw one

he means in racing.

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by NcA

Not in the UK and Europe! There used to be 2 that I saw driving round in the south-east of England on a regular basis. It made my day every-time I saw one

Yeah, I meant in GT racing, not on the road.

[0720Steve]

that can't be the 1 series

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by 0720Steve

that can't be the 1 series

No one ever said it was. It's the M1. Big difference.

[0720Steve]

is it not based off the 1 series?

[e60.deluxe]

Originally Posted by 0720Steve

is it not based off the 1 series?

BMW M1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by 0720Steve

is it not based off the 1 series?

It's related about as much as me to a Pterois volitans. Both have four wheels and an engine. Both me and the Pterois volitans have eyes and a mouth. Similarities end there.

[0720Steve]

looks good. i stand corrected. not like it is that far out in left field for me to ask that. i was just thinking back to past m cars....were based off the cars of the numbered series.....i guess except that one. good to know.

[civsnake]

Originally Posted by 0720Steve

looks good. i stand corrected. not like it is that far out in left field for me to ask that. i was just thinking back to past m cars....were based off the cars of the numbered series.....i guess except that one. good to know.

It's cool, it's just funny because that question was already answered on this page, that's all.

[Izzy]

*IF* they do make a 1-series based M car. I'd assume the nomenclature would follow the Z4's. It'd be the 1xx M or something like that. As it is, I thought BMW didn't want to make an M for the 1-series because it'd compete too closely with the M3.

[0720Steve]

Originally Posted by civsnake

It's cool, it's just funny because that question was already answered on this page, that's all.

sorry, didn't read through all the posts before i posted in here....saw the pic and went straight for the reply....

Originally Posted by Izzy

*IF* they do make a 1-series based M car. I'd assume the nomenclature would follow the Z4's. It'd be the 1xx M or something like that. As it is, I thought BMW didn't want to make an M for the 1-series because it'd compete too closely with the M3.

cause the twin turbo engine is already right up there

[e60.deluxe]

the problem with an M version of the one series is that the Z4 is there and lighter. eventually the Z will get the M engine and will blow the doors off the current 3700LB M3.

if they were to make an M1 series now it would need to have significantly more than 300HP and with the weight advantage its just going to undercut the M3, and its too soon for that. by the time the M3 is ready to be dethroned, the Z will get it.

tii = 1 series M.


The M1 is the first M badged car. Technically according to the VIN, its not a BMW manufactured, but a BMW M. the E9 CSL is the first car made by the M division, but had no M badge.

the M1 did not start out as a special model of an already existing car. after the CSl and the M1, the the M division only made modifications to current cars. the second car with the M badge was the M535i which had an M division upgrades over the standard 535i. the first first Full M to be based on an existing model was the M5.

Originally Posted by Izzy

*IF* they do make a 1-series based M car. I'd assume the nomenclature would follow the Z4's. It'd be the 1xx M or something like that. As it is, I thought BMW didn't want to make an M for the 1-series because it'd compete too closely with the M3.

thats not how the Z is. the Z is a full M car. Z is not in the techical name. yes, people say Z4 M. but its really M Coupe and M Roadster. the Z4 M and Z3 M are full fledged M cars. the 1 series techically has enough M technic upgrades (body kit, wheels, suspension, brakes) to be called an M135i, but there is no regular 135i, so its a bit pointless. if BMW lets say made a 128i with just a 135i engine, and ALSO had the current 135i, then the upgraded one could wear the badge for distinction.

[civsnake]

Originally Posted by e60.deluxe

the problem with an M version of the one series is that the Z4 is there and lighter. eventually the Z will get the M engine and will blow the doors off the current 3700LB M3.

if they were to make an M1 series now it would need to have significantly more than 300HP and with the weight advantage its just going to undercut the M3, and its too soon for that. by the time the M3 is ready to be dethroned, the Z will get it.

tii = 1 series M.

I'm curious to see if they could put the new 8cyl M3 engine in the roadster/coupe Z body. I know the engine is supposed to be very compact, but how does the engine bay of the Z stack up to the 3?

[e60.deluxe]

Originally Posted by civsnake

I'm curious to see if they could put the new 8cyl M3 engine in the roadster/coupe Z body. I know the engine is supposed to be very compact, but how does the engine bay of the Z stack up to the 3?

does this answer your question:
2003 Hartge Z4 5.0 - Fast Cars, Cool Cars and Hot Cars at Fast-Autos.net!
(E39 M5 engine)

also, they did it in the Z3 first.

[civsnake]

Originally Posted by e60.deluxe

does this answer your question:
2003 Hartge Z4 5.0 - Fast Cars, Cool Cars and Hot Cars at Fast-Autos.net!
(E39 M5 engine)

It does answer my question in a sense; It is possible to fit a V8 in there, but I don't know anything about that particular engine. How does it compare in size to the current M3 heart? Also, did this company have to do any major modifications to the frame/firewall/body to make this fit?

[HHondaZC]

oh lawd

[e60.deluxe]

i have no idea but it costed like 90 grand for the swap and all the upgrades. and thats with them keeping your normal engine.