VTECnical's Circuit City Road Shop installation

[VTECnical]

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VTECnical

[realxlai]

utter failure. hope it all gets sorted out and taken care of

[SIg]

i hope everything works out for you. this makes me think twice about letting someone mess with my electrical stuff.

[domsim]

Originally Posted by Adlh29

Obviously the ones who installed this were the morons. I can't believe you have the nerve to come on and try to defend the ones who did this (probably you). Please do everyone including yourself a favor and quit your job. Cutting in to heating ducts to install a head unit? Yeah, you're right VTECnical is the moron.

the installers who did this were definitely not professionals. just judging by the looks of their work you can tell they did a very sloppy job. as far as cutting the airduct sometimes it is required. do you wonder why DUCT tape is called DUCT tape? when you are a professional installer then you can say whether it is necessary or not to cut the ducting. if it is done correctly then again it will not cause any harm. from the looks of it in this case it was not done right but there would be no danger in driving the vehicle as the dealer is claiming.

please point me to one reason why this vehicle would be unsafe to drive and i will humbly back down and not come back!

[kwhitelaw]

Originally Posted by domsim

do you wonder why DUCT tape is called DUCT tape?

imo, duct tape is more often used to seal home ducting, not as a filler for injection molded plastic behind a car dashboard.

regardless, no cutting is required to fit that deck. seems someone was too lazy to sort the insane amount of cables that come off the back end of a Z2.

[domsim]

Originally Posted by kwhitelaw

imo, duct tape is more often used to seal home ducting, not as a filler for injection molded plastic behind a car dashboard.

regardless, no cutting is required to fit that deck. seems someone was too lazy to sort the insane amount of cables that come off the back end of a Z2.

admittedly there really is no reason to cut the ducting in this instance. my point was to refute the guy who was saying it is never required. also there is not an insane amount of wires an a z2. try fitting a dual brand flip out into a jetta

[kwhitelaw]

i hear ya on the jetta. but a z2 with rca connector, bluetooth mic, steering wheel control, ipbus, nav antenna, regular antenna, bluetooth plug, etc is still a good bit to fit.

not impossible, when it doubt, cut the air vent apparently.

[domsim]

k im done ranting but op you need to realize there is most certainly not 12k worth of damages to your vehicle. the only thing that i see that would need to be replaced would be the heater ducting. and even that is not 100% necessary. please just use your common sense and look through the invoice they gave you. do you really think all those things listed need to be replaced?

what will happen if they replace all that and this gets turned into circuit city's insurance is they will deny it as frivolous, which it is, and YOU will be stuck with the bill. cc's insurance will cover what is needed to fix and damage caused, not everything the dealer wants and says needs to be replaced. remember sedgwick (cc's insurance for SIL's) are not stupid and are not just going to hand over 12k. they will investigate and pay out only what is found to be required.

[Adlh29]

Originally Posted by domsim

k im done ranting but op you need to realize there is most certainly not 12k worth of damages to your vehicle. the only thing that i see that would need to be replaced would be the heater ducting. and even that is not 100% necessary. please just use your common sense and look through the invoice they gave you. do you really think all those things listed need to be replaced?

what will happen if they replace all that and this gets turned into circuit city's insurance is they will deny it as frivolous, which it is, and YOU will be stuck with the bill. cc's insurance will cover what is needed to fix and damage caused, not everything the dealer wants and says needs to be replaced. remember sedgwick (cc's insurance for SIL's) are not stupid and are not just going to hand over 12k. they will investigate and pay out only what is found to be required.

Please do not get me wrong. I am not knocking anyone who works at Circuit City or anything like that. I am not a professional audio installer by any means, but there is no denying how ridiculous this install looks. I'm with you on some of your points. For example the labor total on the invoice is listed as 44 plus 5 hours for diagnostics. Yet in the total column they have 51 hours. 44 +5 = 51?

[kwhitelaw]

from an installers point of view, the only thing that is unexcuseable is the cutting of the ductwork, but only because this vehicle doesnt need it. I did a 3series bmw the other day that had to have the ductowrk cut, no way around it. customer knew and was cool. new abs was grafted into place then every sealed over.

anyways, the wires in the door that were cut is no big deal. I'd rather cut the stock plug off and solder new wiring to it then use a cheap spkr harness adapter that could fail like ive seen in the past. the pictures that were posted that show a ton of wires everywhere..., that is how prety much any double din radio install would look if you unbolted the deck and slid it out and unplugged the 5 or 6 different plugs. as for them cutting the factory radio plug, i would not see a problem if they just tapped behind the connector and soldered to it. sometimes you get a car in the bay that either doesnt have a plug avail, or your inventory shows you have it and you dont, or its saturday nite and nowhere else is open etc etc etc.

I understand the original poster doesnt want to add anything else to this post, but I still dont understand why he could quickly post 12k damages etc etc !!! but then just show 5 pages of p/n to cover what appears to be some random stuff. and still no solid explanation from honda other than its unsafe to drive.

If I was the owner of this car, I would take it to a reputable independent car audio specialist, have them quote repairing the audio related issues (which imo, would require no more than a few hours), and let honda swap the heater vents. as for the glass and sunroof and cupholders, cant pass judgement because the original poster cant/wont divulge what truly took place in those areas.

[smokinfastlegend]

I kind of have to agree with domsim with this a little. While the install by CC was amateur, I honestly do not see 12k in damages. I only see amateur wire tapping into the stock harness, and last i worked on this style civic, the radio did not really communicate with the car, it was a fairly standard honda harness.

Also, you still havent stated why you brought the car into Honda in the first place to have this checked out. If items in the car werent functioning then i would understand.

Also the parts list you have listed, if there is a scratch on the panel from installation then yes, replace it, but they are replacing screws, bolts and such that dont need to be replaced because you should already have them. Im not sticking up for CC but at the same time, it seems like the service writer is trying to make a couple extra bux.

[I Vtec, do you?]

Wow I'm reading some of the link backs to this.. incredible. Some people really are dicks 'At least it wasn't a cool car' says the owner of a focus svt LMAO

[domsim]

well im glad others have seen my point of view that the dealership is feeding this guy a load of shit and the op not only bought into it but he ran with it. now as can be seen by scrolling down to the linkback section, this is all over the place.

[smokinfastlegend]

Originally Posted by kwhitelaw

from an installers point of view, the only thing that is unexcuseable is the cutting of the ductwork, but only because this vehicle doesnt need it. I did a 3series bmw the other day that had to have the ductowrk cut, no way around it. customer knew and was cool. new abs was grafted into place then every sealed over.

anyways, the wires in the door that were cut is no big deal. I'd rather cut the stock plug off and solder new wiring to it then use a cheap spkr harness adapter that could fail like ive seen in the past. the pictures that were posted that show a ton of wires everywhere..., that is how prety much any double din radio install would look if you unbolted the deck and slid it out and unplugged the 5 or 6 different plugs. as for them cutting the factory radio plug, i would not see a problem if they just tapped behind the connector and soldered to it. sometimes you get a car in the bay that either doesnt have a plug avail, or your inventory shows you have it and you dont, or its saturday nite and nowhere else is open etc etc etc.

I understand the original poster doesnt want to add anything else to this post, but I still dont understand why he could quickly post 12k damages etc etc !!! but then just show 5 pages of p/n to cover what appears to be some random stuff. and still no solid explanation from honda other than its unsafe to drive.

If I was the owner of this car, I would take it to a reputable independent car audio specialist, have them quote repairing the audio related issues (which imo, would require no more than a few hours), and let honda swap the heater vents. as for the glass and sunroof and cupholders, cant pass judgement because the original poster cant/wont divulge what truly took place in those areas.

I totally agree with you. There have been questions that are trying to go deeper into the situation but the OP keeps ignoring those and replying to posts that only heighten the frustration, and replying with little else information.

[VTECnical]

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[VTECnical]

Originally Posted by smokinfastlegend

I totally agree with you. There have been questions that are trying to go deeper into the situation but the OP keeps ignoring those and replying to posts that only heighten the frustration, and replying with little else information.

Glad to see new members on 8thCivic!

[VTECnical]

Originally Posted by domsim

k im done ranting but op you need to realize there is most certainly not 12k worth of damages to your vehicle. the only thing that i see that would need to be replaced would be the heater ducting. and even that is not 100% necessary. please just use your common sense and look through the invoice they gave you. do you really think all those things listed need to be replaced?

what will happen if they replace all that and this gets turned into circuit city's insurance is they will deny it as frivolous, which it is, and YOU will be stuck with the bill. cc's insurance will cover what is needed to fix and damage caused, not everything the dealer wants and says needs to be replaced. remember sedgwick (cc's insurance for SIL's) are not stupid and are not just going to hand over 12k. they will investigate and pay out only what is found to be required.

Glad to see new members on 8thCivic!

[VTECnical]

Originally Posted by kwhitelaw

from an installers point of view, the only thing that is unexcuseable is the cutting of the ductwork, but only because this vehicle doesnt need it. I did a 3series bmw the other day that had to have the ductowrk cut, no way around it. customer knew and was cool. new abs was grafted into place then every sealed over.

anyways, the wires in the door that were cut is no big deal. I'd rather cut the stock plug off and solder new wiring to it then use a cheap spkr harness adapter that could fail like ive seen in the past. the pictures that were posted that show a ton of wires everywhere..., that is how prety much any double din radio install would look if you unbolted the deck and slid it out and unplugged the 5 or 6 different plugs. as for them cutting the factory radio plug, i would not see a problem if they just tapped behind the connector and soldered to it. sometimes you get a car in the bay that either doesnt have a plug avail, or your inventory shows you have it and you dont, or its saturday nite and nowhere else is open etc etc etc.

I understand the original poster doesnt want to add anything else to this post, but I still dont understand why he could quickly post 12k damages etc etc !!! but then just show 5 pages of p/n to cover what appears to be some random stuff. and still no solid explanation from honda other than its unsafe to drive.

If I was the owner of this car, I would take it to a reputable independent car audio specialist, have them quote repairing the audio related issues (which imo, would require no more than a few hours), and let honda swap the heater vents. as for the glass and sunroof and cupholders, cant pass judgement because the original poster cant/wont divulge what truly took place in those areas.

Glad to see new members on 8thCivic!

[domsim]

Originally Posted by VTECnical

I had 800 on the car when the work was done in July 2007.

When Circuit City asked me to take it in to Honda, it had over 16k. It took me several months to get Circuit City to respond, Feb of 2008 is when the District Manager started to talk with me.

I thought the car was safe to drive. Only after Honda looked at the damage did I learn that the wiring was unsafe by Honda's standards.

Stay tuned as I will update when new info comes. Until then, I am going to stop posting...

Thank you,

VTECnical

why would you just come in here and copy paste the same shit you already said instead of giving a real answer and shedding some more light on the situation?

op i think you just may be full of shit? my guess is something is wrong with your car, the dealership couldnt figure it out, and so they blamed it on the aftermarket product. and before anyone gets on me for that let me just say, i have been in the 12 volt field for 7 years and have often been blamed for an electrical issue in a vehicle. and when the customer brought me the car i went through and did a proper diagnoses and found the actual fault which more often than not had nothing to do with our product. anyone who has worked in the 12 volt field for an extended period of time will be familiar with this situation.

this makes me think the reason it took so long for "cc to deal with it" is because there were no problems untill months later. and when you did have a problem the dealer blamed it on your nav system install and "found" 12k worth of damage

[VTECnical]

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