Mugen SI VS Regular SI

mike_sho · 02-02-2008, 04:22 PM

Tested: 2008 Honda Civic Mugen Si Sedan - Short Take Road Tests - Car and Driver February 2008

18's are lighter , but the larger diameter kills the performance. All show , no go , even with a high-flow mugen catback.

But wait , here is another new article that just came out that might say otherwise. Also they do note the power is increased from the exhaust...but the 18's seem to rob that power from transfering into quicker times...but finally they do note the suspension and tires did increase its g on the skidpad.

ROADandTRACK.com -- Road Tests - Honda Civic Mugen Si (12/2007)

***msjwild3*** · 02-02-2008, 04:27 PM

The article even says then only make 1000 a year. Just like every other place says. Not 1200 like some think.
They even say the coupe performs better. :)

Si_Sedan_Fan · 02-02-2008, 04:33 PM

Yawn

**Snake-eyes** · 02-02-2008, 04:40 PM

so they say its over-priced, looks like a ricer, and performs no greater than a stock si thats 8 grand less...

thought we new that?

***Ruthless909*** · 02-02-2008, 04:42 PM

+1.....

I'm happy with my SI sedan.....

***Excalibur*** · 02-02-2008, 04:43 PM

Coupes ftmfw!!!!!

jumboshrimp23 · 02-02-2008, 04:52 PM

still think that it is too much for a civic!

Si_Sedan_Fan · 02-02-2008, 05:45 PM

This pretty much sums up the article....

"Anyone expecting extra performance will be disappointed."....

"slower than the last Si coupe we tested."

"On the skidpad, overall grip was a slightly disappointing 0.88 g, lower than the coupe’s0.91 g."

" We suspect most Honda tuners will think they can do a similar job for less money—and the merely rational will buy a Mitsu Evo or Subaru STI."

"the sport exhaust reduces back pressure aft of the catalytic converter. This seems a lost opportunity, because tuner kids know that Mugen’s real expertise is in giving Honda engines more suds."

***carlo_amacio*** · 02-02-2008, 05:56 PM

Coupe > Sedan ALL THE TIME

SoCal07Si · 02-02-2008, 06:11 PM

The Honda dealer here in whittier had (probably still has) a Mugen for 10K over sticker!!!! These guys are effing nutz. Cerritos had it for somethin like 2K over sticker. I guess thats about right.

SoCal07Si · 02-02-2008, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlo_amacio

Coupe > Sedan ALL THE TIME

Not when u got kids!!!!!!!!!!!!

vtecmike1 · 02-02-2008, 06:18 PM

no need to turn this into a coupe vs sedan. can't we all just get along and realize we both own the overpriced mugen

***carlo_amacio*** · 02-02-2008, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCal07Si

Not when u got kids!!!!!!!!!!!!

I stand corrected

AllShowNoGo · 02-02-2008, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_sho

Tested: 2008 Honda Civic Mugen Si Sedan - Short Take Road Tests - Car and Driver February 2008

18's are lighter , but the larger diameter kills the performance. All show , no go , even with a high-flow mugen catback.

sweet! it's my user name

AllShowNoGo · 02-02-2008, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msjwild3

The article even says then only make 1000 a year. Just like every other place says. Not 1200 like some think.
They even say the coupe performs better. :)

i thought they're only making 1000 period? and only 300 for the mugen RR, which is only available to the japanese market

KingMarineM16a4 · 02-02-2008, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msjwild3

The article even says then only make 1000 a year. Just like every other place says. Not 1200 like some think.
They even say the coupe performs better. :)

Vin numbers state otherwise.

Solo2EG · 02-02-2008, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingMarineM16a4

Vin numbers state otherwise.

VIN's don't mean anything since they're not building them sequentially... they're just pulling Fiji Blue Si Sedans out of production to fill Mugen orders as required.

I Vtec, do you? · 02-02-2008, 09:51 PM

Eh I'm kinda suspicious about that article. Not that I think the sedan is a million times more amazing than the coupe, I find it hard to beleive that a car with a beefed up suspension AND nicer tires would pull a lower skidpad score than a car on a weaker suspension and crappier tires. Just my opinion though.. especially considering the sedan and coupe were already very comparable to begin with.

mike_sho · 02-07-2008, 10:39 AM

The ying to the yang. An article which presents better numbers.

ROADandTRACK.com -- Road Tests - Honda Civic Mugen Si (12/2007)

Anubis · 02-07-2008, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake-eyes

so they say its over-priced, looks like a ricer, and performs no greater than a stock si thats 8 grand less...

thought we new that?

Some of us have, but others still have failed to snap back to reality.

02-02-2008, 04:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
mike_sho Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Orlando Posts: 265 Michael iTrader: 1 / 100%	Mugen SI VS Regular SI Tested: 2008 Honda Civic Mugen Si Sedan - Short Take Road Tests - Car and Driver February 2008 18's are lighter , but the larger diameter kills the performance. All show , no go , even with a high-flow mugen catback. But wait , here is another new article that just came out that might say otherwise. Also they do note the power is increased from the exhaust...but the 18's seem to rob that power from transfering into quicker times...but finally they do note the suspension and tires did increase its g on the skidpad. ROADandTRACK.com -- Road Tests - Honda Civic Mugen Si (12/2007) Last edited by mike_sho; 02-07-2008 at 10:45 AM.

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*msjwild3* 8th Civic Addict Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Winnipeg, MB Age: 20 Posts: 2,347 Ryan iTrader: 2 / 100%	The article even says then only make 1000 a year. Just like every other place says. Not 1200 like some think. They even say the coupe performs better. :)

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jumboshrimp23 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 612 Keith iTrader: 1 / 100%	still think that it is too much for a civic!

02-02-2008, 05:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
Si_Sedan_Fan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 809 iTrader: 0 / 0%	This pretty much sums up the article.... "Anyone expecting extra performance will be disappointed.".... "slower than the last Si coupe we tested." "On the skidpad, overall grip was a slightly disappointing 0.88 g, lower than the coupe’s0.91 g." " We suspect most Honda tuners will think they can do a similar job for less money—and the merely rational will buy a Mitsu Evo or Subaru STI." "the sport exhaust reduces back pressure aft of the catalytic converter. This seems a lost opportunity, because tuner kids know that Mugen’s real expertise is in giving Honda engines more suds."

02-02-2008, 06:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
SoCal07Si Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Whitter, So Cali Age: 21 Posts: 12,145 Just call me Daddy iTrader: 1 / 100%	The Honda dealer here in whittier had (probably still has) a Mugen for 10K over sticker!!!! These guys are effing nutz. Cerritos had it for somethin like 2K over sticker. I guess thats about right.

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vtecmike1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Simi Valley Age: 24 Posts: 1,231 Mike iTrader: 0 / 0%	no need to turn this into a coupe vs sedan. can't we all just get along and realize we both own the overpriced mugen

02-02-2008, 09:51 PM	#18 (permalink)
I Vtec, do you? Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: mn Posts: 7,946 iTrader: 9 / 100%	Eh I'm kinda suspicious about that article. Not that I think the sedan is a million times more amazing than the coupe, I find it hard to beleive that a car with a beefed up suspension AND nicer tires would pull a lower skidpad score than a car on a weaker suspension and crappier tires. Just my opinion though.. especially considering the sedan and coupe were already very comparable to begin with.

02-07-2008, 10:39 AM	#19 (permalink)
mike_sho Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Orlando Posts: 265 Michael iTrader: 1 / 100%	The ying to the yang. An article which presents better numbers. ROADandTRACK.com -- Road Tests - Honda Civic Mugen Si (12/2007)