2008 Subaru Wrx=disapointment?

[mugenXP]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Mitsu won the WRC Drivers Championship from 96-99
Subi won in 1995, 2001 and 2003
That said, Mitsu has only one Constructor's championship to Subi's 3

I wasn't speaking of JUST wrc, I brought up "WRC" because I never heard of mitsu at least winning one of them, but I guess they did.

and yes i agree with you that the sti and evo are aiming torwards different directions. the hatch design of the sti is a dead giveaway that they are going for rally performance. but most car reviewers and car buyers only care about how they perform on the street or road courses, which automatically makes everyone think the sti is lacking. people tend to forget that there are different types of performance standards, not just how one car does at the track.

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by mugenXP

I wasn't speaking of JUST wrc, I brought up "WRC" because I never heard of mitsu at least winning one of them, but I guess they did.

actually, i never even heard of mitsu winning any WRC's

Why say that when you have no clue what you are talking about? Do you like talking out of your ass? Don't you think you maybe should have checked your facts before you go using a statement like that to support your argument? The difference between not winning anything and winning 4 straight championships is huge.

In FIA Group N (which is really what the Evo and STi were made for), or PWRC, Mitsu won the championship from 1995-2001. So could you please tell me what you are referring to when you said

when subaru AND mitsubishi were in the rally comps together, subaru won way more than mitsu.

[cheetos]

the new wrx is gonna have a facelift. that what i heard

[mugenXP]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Why say that when you have no clue what you are talking about? Do you like talking out of your ass? Don't you think you maybe should have checked your facts before you go using a statement like that to support your argument? The difference between not winning anything and winning 4 straight championships is huge.

In FIA Group N (which is really what the Evo and STi were made for), or PWRC, Mitsu won the championship from 1995-2001. So could you please tell me what you are referring to when you said

I simply said I did not know or think if mitsu even won a WRC. Obviously if you comprehend english, I'm simply voicing what I think and what I know of, I didn't pull it off as a fact. If I pulled it off as a pure fact that mitsu never won, then you'd have a come-back. Way to wet your whitey tighty's over nothing.

if you're going to school you might want to take notes:

"I never heard of mitsubishi winning" versus "Mitsubishi never won" are not the same

It should have been a dead giveaway once I said

Originally Posted by mugenXP

I wasn't speaking of JUST wrc, I brought up "WRC" because I never heard of mitsu at least winning one of them, but I guess they did.

and if you think subaru doesn't have more championships than mitsu, um, i don't know what to tell you. way to contradict yourself.

[NitrousG35]

I have always been a fan of both the WRX and especially the STi. I seriously considered selling my G35 to get an STi. My best friend has a black '06 WRX that is a really nice car. I love the styling and overall performance. The price was right too.

With that said, the new WRX just does not have the panache of the previous iteration. It is bigger, has an ugly grille and taillights, and seems too gentrified to be a rough and ready rally type street car. I am also taken back by the rather high window sticker prices.

It seems that supersizing has taken hold of the car industry. Cars just keep getting bigger, longer and heavier. They need ever powerful engines to keep pace with the weight and size increases. I have watched my beloved Infiniti going that way, especially with the porky G37.

I for one loved the rawness and heavy performance orientation of both the Evo VIII and the STi as well as the WRX. Now, these cars are beginning to go stratospheric in price while not necessarily getting better looking.

I'll pass on the WRX.

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by NitrousG35

With that said, the new WRX just does not have the panache of the previous iteration. It is bigger, has an ugly grille and taillights, and seems too gentrified to be a rough and ready rally type street car. I am also taken back by the rather high window sticker prices.

Do you remember when the Japanese turbo cars of the 90's did the same thing? They priced themselves right out of the market.

It seems that supersizing has taken hold of the car industry. Cars just keep getting bigger, longer and heavier. They need ever powerful engines to keep pace with the weight and size increases. I have watched my beloved Infiniti going that way, especially with the porky G37.

Thats because customers keep saying they want cars with less NVH. The only way to get rid of NVH is to add more sound deadening material which adds weight. Another thing that adds weight is Safety. 10 air bags weigh a lot, so does extra room for crumple zones. Then, as you said, they have to up the power just to keep the same performance figures they used to have. What amazes me is, the cars weigh more, make more power but at the same time, are getting better MPG. Back in the day, more weight + more power always = worse MPG.

I'll pass on the WRX.

[NitrousG35]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Do you remember when the Japanese turbo cars of the 90's did the same thing? They priced themselves right out of the market.



Thats because customers keep saying they want cars with less NVH. The only way to get rid of NVH is to add more sound deadening material which adds weight. Another thing that adds weight is Safety. 10 air bags weigh a lot, so does extra room for crumple zones. Then, as you said, they have to up the power just to keep the same performance figures they used to have. What amazes me is, the cars weigh more, make more power but at the same time, are getting better MPG. Back in the day, more weight + more power always = worse MPG.

So true Paul. Yes, I remember when the Japanese turbo cars went ballistic on their prices and priced themselves out of the market.

I will give credit to engineers that they are able to eke out more mpg and performance out of heavier cars.

I guess I am eclectic enough to really consider a Lotus Exige as my dream car. I want something very small, very light, very nimble and something that could straighten out any twisty road.

I have always hated big, heavy cars, even back in the muscle car days. The smallest car you could get in the late 60's with good performance was a Camaro. I could never have imagined myself driving a Chevelle, Torino, Road Runner or Dodge Charger. Too big and heavy. Even back then, my ideal car was an AC Cobra. Light and fast.

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by NitrousG35

So true Paul. Yes, I remember when the Japanese turbo cars went ballistic on their prices and priced themselves out of the market.

I will give credit to engineers that they are able to eke out more mpg and performance out of heavier cars.

I guess I am eclectic enough to really consider a Lotus Exige as my dream car. I want something very small, very light, very nimble and something that could straighten out any twisty road.

I have always hated big, heavy cars, even back in the muscle car days. The smallest car you could get in the late 60's with good performance was a Camaro. I could never have imagined myself driving a Chevelle, Torino, Road Runner or Dodge Charger. Too big and heavy. Even back then, my ideal car was an AC Cobra. Light and fast.

My uber dream car is a FDS3 RX-7 with an LS7 in it. Not Lotus light, but 2800 lbs and 500 hp is nothing to shake a stick at.

As far as OTS cars go, I'm starting to go your way. The 911 GT3 is losing ground to an Exige S.

Boooooooooo the Camaro, I'll take a Mustang thank you very much.

GT40 over an AC Cobra for me please.

[melomood]

mitsu doesn't rally anymore, at least on the same level at Subie. I believe i heard they rally in a lower bracket now.

[06CivEXJon]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Plastic doesn't suffer from heat soak like metal does.

But plastic wont handle more boost correct? do even if i swapped it it wouldn't make a difference? how about a top mount? curious.

[Firestrife]

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

But plastic wont handle more boost correct? do even if i swapped it it wouldn't make a difference? how about a top mount? curious.

well it really depends on how it was developed and what plastic was used, BMW E36's have plastic manifolds and I have a dude running boost on it right now at like 10 or more psi, with a full standalone EMS.

[06CivEXJon]

Originally Posted by Firestrife

well it really depends on how it was developed and what plastic was used, BMW E36's have plastic manifolds and I have a dude running boost on it right now at like 10 or more psi, with a full standalone EMS.

Well it's a resin type material not necessarily plastic. I heard Legacy owners with 30+ PSI of boost or more and the IM is holding up nicely. Supposedly the plastic manifold cools it down more or something.

[OkiJDM]

i watched a few comparos online including top gear where it shows the Subi beating an Evo in a 1/4 mile but that was the only category it won in. Subi was slower and didn't corner as well as the two EVOs. One was the GSR and the other the MR.

[pks17]

The new WRX is 100lbs lighter then last year, its also got more power down low, and peaks sooner. Drivabilty has gone up, and turbolag has gone down.

The looks are bland, and very hyundai elantra like, and the interior is the worse then most compact economy cars. Its 100% plastic everything. I cannot believe how cheap the interior is.
Honestly, i would take the 06-07 wrx over the new one anyday. BUT if i was to buy it, i might take the NEW one as its 4 or 5 thousand dollars cheaper then the last gen wrx was.