2008 Subaru Wrx=disapointment?

[06CivEXJon]

Originally Posted by habitat

If you like interior features then the new GE/GH WRX is for you. For people who want a more performance bare boned WRX, buy GD.

You can still make it just as fast as the GD. I wonder if the manifold is swappable from the 06-07 EJ series WRX motor? how about top mount? a perrin one will fit.

[07Ex]

EVO looks too aggressive for everyday driving. The new WRX looks really nice IMO.

[Firestrife]

Originally Posted by 07Ex

EVO looks too aggressive for everyday driving. The new WRX looks really nice IMO.

lol I wasn't aware that a car could LOOK to aggressive to drive.
Oh no think of the Kids!

[habitat]

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

You can still make it just as fast as the GD. I wonder if the manifold is swappable from the 06-07 EJ series WRX motor? how about top mount? a perrin one will fit.

There will be no lack in after market support for the new WRX. So there is no need to apply previous generation bolt ons to the new WRX. You just have to realize that the GE/GH WRX is behind the GD on a baseline performance standpoint.

[06CivEXJon]

Originally Posted by habitat

There will be no lack in after market support for the new WRX. So there is no need to apply previous generation bolt ons to the new WRX. You just have to realize that the GE/GH WRX is behind the GD on a baseline performance standpoint.

I saw both variants tonight and i like the hatch alot. Now i know the new one has an EJ series 2.5L but it's different from the 06-07 WRX correct? i heard it's the same motor thats in the Legacy. So would a direct swap of a top mount and intake manifold fit on the new one from the 06-07 WRX? i want to get the best performing and sounding turbo back exhaust and alot of other GFB (go fast bits) can you give me some ideas? thanks!

[Sirbelch]

WRX engines are carry overs from the 06-07's, although I think they have a little different ECU tuning which brought the torque peak down 500 or so rpm.

Why would you want to swap the mani and IC at all?

SCC got a max gain of 27 hp (or something close to that) with just a K&N Intake.

[mugenXP]

the wrx engines are a carry over but minor changes to the tune reduced the peak HP from 230hp to 224hp, and 235tq to 226tq. although the numbers are a little lower, the peak power comes on ~800rpm's earlier.

also the 08 wrx shares the same turbo as the legacy gt. the 08 wrx actually went "softer" a little bit compared to the 06-07 models. they have softer springs, smaller sway bars, smaller brakes, among a few other things that aren't coming to my head.

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by mugenXP

the wrx engines are a carry over but minor changes to the tune reduced the peak HP from 230hp to 224hp, and 235tq to 226tq. although the numbers are a little lower, the peak power comes on ~800rpm's earlier.

also the 08 wrx shares the same turbo as the legacy gt. the 08 wrx actually went "softer" a little bit compared to the 06-07 models. they have softer springs, smaller sway bars, smaller brakes, among a few other things that aren't coming to my head.

The way HP is measured changed, thats the reason for the drop.

[SiCivic83]

Subaru went downhill after the 06-07 facelift change. The best WRX/STi was at the 03-05. I even dislike the look of the Evo X...its hideous IMO. The best Evo was the IX. I'm so disappointed with the looks of the WRX/STi and Evo X...I would not consider buying it. This is coming from someone who loved the STi's and Evo 8s when they first came out.

[mugenXP]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

The way HP is measured changed, thats the reason for the drop.

did it? if so, why are the 06-08 si's all the same? as well as other 06-08's


if i remember correctly, they carried the LGT turbos over which allows them to tune it for more lowend, i believe the LGT spools just a tad bit better than the td04 turbo in the previous gens, but the topend is not as good. basically shifts the powerband lower. I heard this from a subaru rep at the LA car show. They didn't mention the hp drop was due to "the way hp is measured changed"

Originally Posted by SiCivic83

Subaru went downhill after the 06-07 facelift change. The best WRX/STi was at the 03-05. I even dislike the look of the Evo X...its hideous IMO. The best Evo was the IX. I'm so disappointed with the looks of the WRX/STi and Evo X...I would not consider buying it. This is coming from someone who loved the STi's and Evo 8s when they first came out.

if you're not only talking about looks, the 04 sti is actually the worse of the rest, and the 08 sti is actually the best, if we're talking from a performance standpoint. and if you only loved the sti's and evo's for their looks, and now hate them because of the looks, you have alot to learn lol

[SiCivic83]

Originally Posted by mugenXP

if you're not only talking about looks, the 04 sti is actually the worse of the rest, and the 08 sti is actually the best, if we're talking from a performance standpoint. and if you only loved the sti's and evo's for their looks, and now hate them because of the looks, you have alot to learn lol

Personally I wouldn't buy a car just for only its performance. Would you buy a car if you couldn't stand looking at it?? Performance wise on the older STi to the 08 STi's aren't that much different. I doubt even the sale of the 08 STi's aren't even as great as the 04 STi's.

[mugenXP]

Originally Posted by SiCivic83

Personally I wouldn't buy a car just for only its performance. Would you buy a car if you couldn't stand looking at it?? Performance wise on the older STi to the 08 STi's aren't that much different. I doubt even the sale of the 08 STi's aren't even as great as the 04 STi's.

if you can't stand looking at the sti, i guess that sounds fair. the new models need to grow on you before you actually start to like it. when the new sti barely came out, everyone in the subie forums were saying its ugly. now if you look, majority of them now like the new sti. you kind of have to know what the car is to actually appreciate how it looks because it definitely isn't a "mainstream car," but i'm not surprised that its getting a lot of hate here since this IS a civic forum. and whether or not you'd buy an sti just because of its performance, that's you. mostly everyone who purchase the sti is mostly for performance. to the general public, subarus in general have never looked as good compared to other makers, but they still sell pretty well to car enthusiasts, why do you think? and do you remember when everyone hated the 06 wrx when it barely came out? and now it's grown on a lot of people.

If you think the 08 sti's aren't selling, you're wrong. I havn't spent much time researching at exact details of why the 08 sti is better than the previous sti gens, but most older-gen sti owners who test drive the 08 sti, do say it is better, stock for stock. but you can't compare sales of 04 sti's to 08 sti's, because there are many other factors that come into play that affect the sales, not just the car itself. but it is clear in the subaru world that the 04 sti was the least of all other sti's, no surprise since it was the first sti production in the US.

[SiCivic83]

Originally Posted by mugenXP

if you can't stand looking at the sti, i guess that sounds fair. the new models need to grow on you before you actually start to like it. when the new sti barely came out, everyone in the subie forums were saying its ugly. now if you look, majority of them now like the new sti. you kind of have to know what the car is to actually appreciate how it looks because it definitely isn't a "mainstream car," but i'm not surprised that its getting a lot of hate here since this IS a civic forum. and whether or not you'd buy an sti just because of its performance, that's you. mostly everyone who purchase the sti is mostly for performance. subarus in general have never looked good compared to other makers, but they still sell pretty well to car enthusiasts, why do you think?

If you think the 08 sti's aren't selling, you're wrong. I havn't spent much time researching at exact details of why the 08 sti is better than the previous sti gens, but most older-gen sti owners who test drive the 08 sti, do say it is better, stock for stock.

I agree a car can grow on you over time. It took me a while to like the look of the 06-07 STi's. The 08 STi's aren't hideous to me by all means but I prefer 03-05s. I was a big fan of STi's when they had first came out. All car enthusiasts appreciate the performance of STi's and so do I.

I have rarely saw any 08 STi's on the road. I saw a lot more STi's on the road for the 03s when they first came out. I didn't spend much time researching the sales though. I do agree that performance wise the new STi is better but not by that much. I would like it if they didn't have the STi as a wagon only and came out as a sedan too.

[mugenXP]

the first sti in america was actually 2004.

and subaru advertises the sti as a rally machine. and in order to back that up, they have to actually win rally competitions(which they have been). and in the rally world, the hatchback design does have its upsides over the sedan/coupe.

yes there aren't that many 08 sti's on the road as of now. but give it some time and you'll start seeing a lot. the 06-07's were the same.

[melomood]

Originally Posted by mugenXP

the first sti in america was actually 2004.

and subaru advertises the sti as a rally machine. and in order to back that up, they have to actually win rally competitions(which they have been). and in the rally world, the hatchback design does have its upsides over the sedan/coupe.

yes there aren't that many 08 sti's on the road as of now. but give it some time and you'll start seeing a lot. the 06-07's were the same.

ya too bad the evo x out preforms the sti in everyway and it is a sedan. too bad mitsu doesnt rally anymore....

[06CivEXJon]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

WRX engines are carry overs from the 06-07's, although I think they have a little different ECU tuning which brought the torque peak down 500 or so rpm.

Why would you want to swap the mani and IC at all?

SCC got a max gain of 27 hp (or something close to that) with just a K&N Intake.

Because the IM is plastic and the same with the top mount. Would an STI manifold or WRX IM swap? i hope it has all metal pedals aswell. The new lancer has a plastic gas pedal.

If i get it i would like to do
Perrin Top mount
TBE dunno what brand,whatever one gives the best power and sound
Paint the wheels black
HID's 6000-8000k
Clear bra
STI/WRX intake manifold and/or bottom end
Headers
Upgrade turbo way down the line
Boost gauge
Rally armor mud flaps/guards
STI spoiler
Sport grille
short shifter
turbo timer
tint
maybe suspension

etc etc

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

Because the IM is plastic and the same with the top mount. Would an STI manifold or WRX IM swap?

Plastic doesn't suffer from heat soak like metal does.

[mugenXP]

Originally Posted by melomood

ya too bad the evo x out preforms the sti in everyway and it is a sedan. too bad mitsu doesnt rally anymore....

what do you mean too bad mitsu doesnt rally any more. when subaru AND mitsubishi were in the rally comps together, subaru won way more than mitsu. actually, i never even heard of mitsu winning any WRC's.

i wouldn't doubt that the evo x outperforms the new sti. straight from the factory, the evos have always been a little better in every category, but the difference only shows on paper or these so called car-testers, not sure if the reviews are biased or not, but i've seen scion tc's get rated better than the civic si's too. would you then believe the tc is better? any way, the evo x and sti are both awesome and if you test drive them both i'm sure you'd have a hard time picking between the two, as far as performance goes.

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by melomood

ya too bad the evo x out preforms the sti in everyway and it is a sedan. too bad mitsu doesnt rally anymore....

I haven't seen an Evo beat an STi to 60 yet, or in the 1/4 for that matter.

I think the Evo has evolved (had to do it) from a rally car into a street only car, where the STi is always trying to get better on dirt and thats why the Evo usually wins on a road course. They started out as the same weapon but have ended up aimimng at different targets

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by mugenXP

what do you mean too bad mitsu doesnt rally any more. when subaru AND mitsubishi were in the rally comps together, subaru won way more than mitsu. actually, i never even heard of mitsu winning any WRC's.

i wouldn't doubt that the evo x outperforms the new sti. straight from the factory, the evos have always been a little better in every category, but the difference only shows on paper. if you drive both cars they are both awesome.

Mitsu won the WRC Drivers Championship from 96-99
Subi won in 1995, 2001 and 2003
That said, Mitsu has only one Constructor's championship to Subi's 3