I was thinking.... bmw,honda

Aimer · 01-26-2006, 12:28 AM

i was looking into the new civic si and also used bmws 3 series, both nice i could get the bmw for a good price with a few miles on it say 60k-70k or a bran new civic si but a bmw is a bmw... just an idea what do you guys think?

eluwak · 01-26-2006, 12:39 AM

If you get a BMW make sure it's CPO with a good B2B extended warranty. If not you better have a good chunk of change for maint & repair.

skittleslegend · 01-26-2006, 03:03 AM

Why would you go with a brand new car over a car with 60-70K on it? That's a huuuuuuge difference in lifetime of the car.

**Silver8th** · 01-26-2006, 03:06 AM

Yeah really hands down. Honda Civic Si.

Spinitch · 01-26-2006, 03:26 AM

BMW's have 4year/50,000 mile warranty brand new, if you go with one that was 60-70k, you're just stuck with the certified pre-owned 2year/50,000 warranty, that;s if you go the BMW dealer route. If you plan on keeping it for 2 years it might be a good plan, but European cars are not as reliable and not easy on your wallet for repairs and maintenance. But BMW is a BMW, it has quality and prestige, but a new Honda all the way in this choice.

CivicsRdBest · 01-26-2006, 01:17 PM

From a performance point of view, the BMW will be superior. From a prestige point of view, the BMW will be superior.

However, if you have to ask which is cheaper, then you can't afford a BMW. Just get a new car and sell it if you save enough money to buy a new BMW. The Civic has the least depreciation values in its segment. If you keep the Si after 2 years or 3, and don't put a lot of miles on it, you should be able to get a large return on your investment and you'll be able to upgrade into a new BMW (assuming you're earning the right amount of money).

jandree22 · 01-26-2006, 01:23 PM

I used to like the 3 series, and still do for the brand new ones... but other than that, I could only see myself in your situation if a 5 series or higher was under consideration.

But that's just me. I agree w/the maintenance, get ready to have a slim & trim wallet. Go with the Si I'd say.

tylerzero · 01-26-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CivicsRdBest

you should be able to get a large return on your investment and you'll be able to upgrade into a new BMW

A car is not an investment (much less a Civic) but I understand what you're getting at.

Aimer · 01-26-2006, 03:03 PM

thx for every ones input i have have found some models with less mileage in the 30k range

jandree22 · 01-26-2006, 03:16 PM

I hope you're talking $30 canadian... You can get a brand spankin new 325i for about $30k USD

Spinitch · 01-26-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jandree22

I hope you're talking $30 canadian... You can get a brand spankin new 325i for about $30k USD

I think he meant 30,000 miles.

jandree22 · 01-26-2006, 06:16 PM

OOOoooohhh.. ha.... right

abunai09 · 01-26-2006, 07:05 PM

Hi everyone, I'm new to the boards but I wanted to chime in on this subject. I just purchased my 06 Si this past weekend, and the car I'm getting rid of is an 02 BMW 330ci. Right on point with your question. :)

Aside from really being in love with the new Si, my main reason for getting rid of the BMW at this point in time was cost of ownership without a warranty. Just to echo what others have said, maintenance and repairs are going to be expensive without a warranty and will definately have to factor into your decision.

Also, you didn't mention a year range for the BMWs you're looking at, or the prices, but in regard to mileage I had about 28k miles on mine and the KBB private party value was in the $27-28k range (Los Angeles area). If you're deciding between these 2 cars I agree with the other posters, you're going to get a lot more for your money going with the Si. If the badge on the car is important to you though...

Also, having now owned both cars and after spending some time in the Si, the 2 cars are very different beasts, so if you haven't already, test drive!

skittleslegend · 01-26-2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tylerzero

A car is not an investment (much less a Civic) but I understand what you're getting at.

Not sure how you figure that, but considering, maintenance, gas, resale value, automotive loans and financing, etc., I'd say a car qualifies as an investment.

**Silver8th** · 01-26-2006, 10:24 PM

IMO Investments should increase in value....If it looses money then its not an investment.
just my .02

imported_palindrome · 01-26-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Aimer

thx for every ones input i have have found some models with less mileage in the 30k range

After the warranty ends, be prepared to spend an average of $2000 per year for maintenence and repairs. That's even if you use an independent shop.

You have been warned.

skittleslegend · 01-26-2006, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver8th

IMO Investments should increase in value....If it looses money then its not an investment.
just my .02

Not necessarily. You're expecting to gain...not an absolute gain. You can invest time and/or money into something and not gain a thing from, it's still an investment. I have friends--every single one of them with Hondas--that have made more money on a trade than any other vehicle, most of them going from Honda to a domestic. One in particular had a 97 Accord and sold it for an 03 Jeep and the dealer gave her $3000 more than it's value. You wouldn't necessarily consider that a deal, however, the invoice price for the Jeep was less than the Accord's market value...how that happened I have no clue.

CivicsRdBest · 01-26-2006, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver8th

IMO Investments should increase in value....If it looses money then its not an investment.
just my .02

Definition number 3 from dictionary.com:

"Property or another possession acquired for future financial return or benefit."

Obviously, you're not earning anything financially in return, but you are buying for future benefits. You get the convenience of use, the look of the car, the functionality of the car. If you weren't you'd be taking the bus.

Back to the BMW. A used BMW is only a good investment if its a classic or is going to be tuned by a rich guy.

wishingsi · 01-27-2006, 12:14 AM

civic si, just got mine and love it, ive driven lots of cars..and hands down i feel this car is on par with a cheeper bmw/mercades, ive driven little c classes and i think my car feels better, and i think my car is more comfortable, unless were talking back seat room, and i mean a new car is a new car...you get the month of new car joy! not someonelses old joy!

skittleslegend · 01-27-2006, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CivicsRdBest

Definition number 3 from dictionary.com:

"Property or another possession acquired for future financial return or benefit."

Obviously, you're not earning anything financially in return, but you are buying for future benefits. You get the convenience of use, the look of the car, the functionality of the car. If you weren't you'd be taking the bus.

Back to the BMW. A used BMW is only a good investment if its a classic or is going to be tuned by a rich guy.

I saw a bright red Rennsport Porsche 911 the other day. I'm sure it was a good investment...

lol...

01-26-2006, 12:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
Aimer Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 26 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I was thinking.... bmw,honda i was looking into the new civic si and also used bmws 3 series, both nice i could get the bmw for a good price with a few miles on it say 60k-70k or a bran new civic si but a bmw is a bmw... just an idea what do you guys think?

01-26-2006, 03:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
Silver8th Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: GA Posts: 6,777 EARL iTrader: 4 / 100%	Yeah really hands down. Honda Civic Si. __________________ 8thCivic.com Conquerd the Dragon III Deal's Gap, NC September 4-7, 2008 Official Event Forum PICS

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Silver8th Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: GA Posts: 6,777 EARL iTrader: 4 / 100%	IMO Investments should increase in value....If it looses money then its not an investment. just my .02 __________________ 8thCivic.com Conquerd the Dragon III Deal's Gap, NC September 4-7, 2008 Official Event Forum PICS

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Spinitch Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sac Age: 24 Posts: 367 iTrader: 12 / 100%	BMW's have 4year/50,000 mile warranty brand new, if you go with one that was 60-70k, you're just stuck with the certified pre-owned 2year/50,000 warranty, that;s if you go the BMW dealer route. If you plan on keeping it for 2 years it might be a good plan, but European cars are not as reliable and not easy on your wallet for repairs and maintenance. But BMW is a BMW, it has quality and prestige, but a new Honda all the way in this choice.

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CivicsRdBest Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Age: 23 Posts: 98 iTrader: 0 / 0%	From a performance point of view, the BMW will be superior. From a prestige point of view, the BMW will be superior. However, if you have to ask which is cheaper, then you can't afford a BMW. Just get a new car and sell it if you save enough money to buy a new BMW. The Civic has the least depreciation values in its segment. If you keep the Si after 2 years or 3, and don't put a lot of miles on it, you should be able to get a large return on your investment and you'll be able to upgrade into a new BMW (assuming you're earning the right amount of money).

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jandree22 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hershey, PA Age: 25 Posts: 330 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I used to like the 3 series, and still do for the brand new ones... but other than that, I could only see myself in your situation if a 5 series or higher was under consideration. But that's just me. I agree w/the maintenance, get ready to have a slim & trim wallet. Go with the Si I'd say.

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Aimer Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 26 iTrader: 0 / 0%	thx for every ones input i have have found some models with less mileage in the 30k range

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jandree22 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hershey, PA Age: 25 Posts: 330 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I hope you're talking $30 canadian... You can get a brand spankin new 325i for about $30k USD

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jandree22 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hershey, PA Age: 25 Posts: 330 iTrader: 0 / 0%	OOOoooohhh.. ha.... right

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abunai09 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 30 Posts: 1 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Hi everyone, I'm new to the boards but I wanted to chime in on this subject. I just purchased my 06 Si this past weekend, and the car I'm getting rid of is an 02 BMW 330ci. Right on point with your question. :) Aside from really being in love with the new Si, my main reason for getting rid of the BMW at this point in time was cost of ownership without a warranty. Just to echo what others have said, maintenance and repairs are going to be expensive without a warranty and will definately have to factor into your decision. Also, you didn't mention a year range for the BMWs you're looking at, or the prices, but in regard to mileage I had about 28k miles on mine and the KBB private party value was in the $27-28k range (Los Angeles area). If you're deciding between these 2 cars I agree with the other posters, you're going to get a lot more for your money going with the Si. If the badge on the car is important to you though... Also, having now owned both cars and after spending some time in the Si, the 2 cars are very different beasts, so if you haven't already, test drive!

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wishingsi Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Age: 23 Posts: 118 iTrader: 2 / 100%	civic si, just got mine and love it, ive driven lots of cars..and hands down i feel this car is on par with a cheeper bmw/mercades, ive driven little c classes and i think my car feels better, and i think my car is more comfortable, unless were talking back seat room, and i mean a new car is a new car...you get the month of new car joy! not someonelses old joy!