So happy i bought an k20 instead of an r18

[Sonic Screwdriver]

Originally Posted by ryker

Both are a Civic- period!

Both can be out accelerated by minivans

Sorry, but that's just incorrect.

The fastest minivan on the market is the Toyota Sienna SE with a 2GR-FE V6 engine. The fastest time I was able to find for it was 0-60 in 7.1 seconds:

2011 Toyota Sienna SE vs 2011 Honda Odyssey EX-L vs 2010 Dodge Caravan SXT - Comparison - Motor Trend

Insideline clocked it at 7.4 seconds: 2011 Toyota Sienna SE vs 2011 Honda Odyssey EX-L vs 2010 Dodge Caravan SXT - Comparison - Motor Trend

While the Fastest Honda Odyssey clocks in at 7.3 seconds: http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...g-may-2011.pdf

Meanwhile, Edmunds clocks the FA5 at 7.0 seconds: 2011 Honda Civic Si Sedan Road Test

And Motor Trend was able to get 6.3 seconds: Honda Civic Si Sedan vs Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V - Head to Head - Motor Trend

And the new Si can do it in 6.1 seconds, although that must be a brutal launch.

2012 Honda Civic Si Sedan Instrumented Test – Review – Car and Driver

My grass trimmer turns 9000rpm but that doesn't make it a race engine.

Yeah, because the K20Z3 is comparable to a grass trimmer. Give me a break.

[StatuatoryGrapes]

Originally Posted by ryker

Both are a Civic- period!


Both can be out accelerated by minivans, trucks, grandma cars, SUVs. Other than acceleration both Civics will reach 90-110mph. The only difference is a few seconds before reaching speeds.

HFP suspension is 500.00 provides better shocks and spring rates with a lower center of gravity. Had both the si and the HFP on my ex and the Si wasn't "all that". Added sway bars to the HFP and it's one of the best rides Ive had. My wife's old mini cooper dinan S with Koni shocks and dinan springs was the best feeling car. My ex is close. The Audi TT was the best stock car I owned. The lotus Elise on a test drive without the salesman was the BEST!

My grass trimmer turns 9000rpm but that doesn't make it a race engine.

[lucasbutts]

Originally Posted by StatuatoryGrapes

fresh, real men rock SOHC

hahaha sick.

@strate loss, I dont know why you are bringing the prices of a brand new sti in here, i clearly said an sti with 30k kilometers... we both know cars drop after leaving the lot, and after a couple kilometers/miles.

Im happy i bought an r18 instead of a k20 because I saved atleast 10k and at the end of the day thats probably the most important thing to a 21 year old that isnt on the corporal pay scale yet.... they are both great cars but its ridiculous for people to bash someone for buying an r18 as an Si owner, we each have our models for reasons. Whether it be budget or performance needs.

But it is really funny when people mod an AUTO r18 and say they can beat an Si hahaha I have modded my m/t r18 but I dont think its a race car and i dont go around here saying "my r18 is super badass look at what i did with the money i saved"

[StatuatoryGrapes]

Originally Posted by Sonic Screwdriver

Sorry, but that's just incorrect.

The fastest minivan on the market is the Toyota Sienna SE with a 2GR-FE V6 engine. The fastest time I was able to find for it was 0-60 in 7.1 seconds:

2011 Toyota Sienna SE vs 2011 Honda Odyssey EX-L vs 2010 Dodge Caravan SXT - Comparison - Motor Trend

Insideline clocked it at 7.4 seconds: 2011 Toyota Sienna SE vs 2011 Honda Odyssey EX-L vs 2010 Dodge Caravan SXT - Comparison - Motor Trend

While the Fastest Honda Odyssey clocks in at 7.3 seconds: http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...g-may-2011.pdf

Meanwhile, Edmunds clocks the FA5 at 7.0 seconds: 2011 Honda Civic Si Sedan Road Test

And Motor Trend was able to get 6.3 seconds: Honda Civic Si Sedan vs Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V - Head to Head - Motor Trend

And the new Si can do it in 6.1 seconds, although that must be a brutal launch.

2012 Honda Civic Si Sedan Instrumented Test – Review – Car and Driver

Dont even bring up 0-60 look at quarter mile times,skid pad,top speed, 60-0 times and price. There is no mini van keeping up

Yeah, because the K20Z3 is comparable to a grass trimmer. Give me a break.

[enchantedsky]

What is it with these R18 vs Si comparisons? I mean, really, I am going to start going into the Civic Si forum and posting posts saying "Thank god I bought an R18".

R18s are cheaper cars. Its competition is the Toyota Corolla. Both are rated 34-36 MPG on the highway, and are cheap, affordable cars (15k MSRP). They are not meant to be sports or performance cars. They are meant to be economical cars meant to give the driver a reliable and fuel efficient ride. When I hit 40 MPG, I compete with hybrids on the market like the Toyota Prius which gets 50 MPG, but the Prius more expensive at $25k and you have to own it for at least 5 years or so just to get your money back in gas savings. With R18 Civics, you see the money you save in gasoline a lot sooner thanks to the lower MSRP.

Yes, it looks stupid when an R18 driver modifies an automatic transmission car and pretends to be an Si driver on the street.

But it looks even more stupid when a Civic Si driver pretends like he has all the advantages of driving an R18 like fuel efficiency. Sorry, the Civic Si is not fuel efficient. I don't care how many people say they get 36 MPG highway. You are probably driving downhill or something. You have a DOHC engine which drinks gasoline, and you cannot buy the cheapest grade of gas (87 Octane) for your car due to your high compression engine. The vast majority of Si drivers drive at high RPMs which suck gasoline. R18 autos stay at low RPMs and are always in VTEC fuel saving mode meaning we hit 40 MPG on the road (which your Si can't do). And no one wants the grinding gears of the Si. The gears work great on an R18 Auto. No "popping out" to complain about.

When gasoline prices get higher, it will be funny to see the Civic Si drivers say "well at least I have a Civic that saves gas" LOL. Um no, stop pretending you own an R18 which is actually the Honda engine which is designed to save gasoline.

[Strate L O S S]

Originally Posted by lucasbutts

hahaha sick.

@strate loss, I dont know why you are bringing the prices of a brand new sti in here, i clearly said an sti with 30k kilometers... we both know cars drop after leaving the lot, and after a couple kilometers/miles.

Im happy i bought an r18 instead of a k20 because I saved atleast 10k and at the end of the day thats probably the most important thing to a 21 year old that isnt on the corporal pay scale yet.... they are both great cars but its ridiculous for people to bash someone for buying an r18 as an Si owner, we each have our models for reasons. Whether it be budget or performance needs.

But it is really funny when people mod an AUTO r18 and say they can beat an Si hahaha I have modded my m/t r18 but I dont think its a race car and i dont go around here saying "my r18 is super badass look at what i did with the money i saved"

once comparing used you really skew the comparo, for cheaper then your dx you could have gotten a used m3 that will outperform your dx 10 fold.

also don't mock auto r18 owners modding just because your have a manual.

let people enjoy their purchases while you enjoy yours.

[HeelsandEers]

Originally Posted by enchantedsky

What is it with these R18 vs Si comparisons? I mean, really, I am going to start going into the Civic Si forum and posting posts saying "Thank god I bought an R18".

R18s are cheaper cars. Its competition is the Toyota Corolla. Both are rated 34-36 MPG on the highway, and are cheap, affordable cars (15k MSRP). They are not meant to be sports or performance cars. They are meant to be economical cars meant to give the driver a reliable and fuel efficient ride. When I hit 40 MPG, I compete with hybrids on the market like the Toyota Prius which gets 50 MPG, but the Prius more expensive at $25k and you have to own it for at least 5 years or so just to get your money back in gas savings. With R18 Civics, you see the money you save in gasoline a lot sooner thanks to the lower MSRP.

Yes, it looks stupid when an R18 driver modifies an automatic transmission car and pretends to be an Si driver on the street.

But it looks even more stupid when a Civic Si driver pretends like he has all the advantages of driving an R18 like fuel efficiency. Sorry, the Civic Si is not fuel efficient. I don't care how many people say they get 36 MPG highway. You are probably driving downhill or something. You have a DOHC engine which drinks gasoline, and you cannot buy the cheapest grade of gas (87 Octane) for your car due to your high compression engine. The vast majority of Si drivers drive at high RPMs which suck gasoline. R18 autos stay at low RPMs and are always in VTEC fuel saving mode meaning we hit 40 MPG on the road (which your Si can't do). And no one wants the grinding gears of the Si. The gears work great on an R18 Auto. No "popping out" to complain about.

When gasoline prices get higher, it will be funny to see the Civic Si drivers say "well at least I have a Civic that saves gas" LOL. Um no, stop pretending you own an R18 which is actually the Honda engine which is designed to save gasoline.

tl;dr

[TwoGuyWitSis]

Originally Posted by Strate L O S S

once comparing used you really skew the comparo, for cheaper then your dx you could have gotten a used m3 that will outperform your dx 10 fold.

also don't mock auto r18 owners modding just because your have a manual.

let people enjoy their purchases while you enjoy yours.

You can buy an old civic for 2500 and put a GS-R motor in it witha few buddies and a weekend and will shat on your DX. Comparing used cars to new cars isn't a very good way to look at car shopping.

[ryker]

Originally Posted by Sonic Screwdriver

Sorry, but that's just incorrect.

The fastest minivan on the market is the Toyota Sienna SE with a 2GR-FE V6 engine. The fastest time I was able to find for it was 0-60 in 7.1

While the Fastest Honda Odyssey clocks in at 7.3 seconds:

Meanwhile, Edmunds clocks the FA5 at 7.0 seconds:

Give me a break.

So after 7.0 seconds with hard launch your race car Si is about 2-4' nose to nose leading the mom in her minivan. You still can't move over and pass. Soccer mom would be at your door looking inside your car, drinking her Starbucks and laughing.

The si is pulling .39g.
The minivan automatic trans and standard tires pulls .38 g.
C6 lt3 pulls .62 g.

[ryker]

Even on the 1/4 a minivan is just .3 seconds slower. Equall the tire class and the minivan would tie or beat the Si. 15.3 verse 15.6

[HeelsandEers]

Let me know when the Si becomes a car that was made to go fast in a straight line. Then I may possibly care.

[ryker]

Oh so now acceleration doesn't matter. If curves is What matters then both chassis can be equal, better, or worse depending on springs, shocks, and sway bars. The core chassis/body is the same. The ex is lighter which yields a slight advantage in corners Nd switchbacks.

A HFP Ex with equal tires will handle slightly better than a stock Si. Add a RSB with the HFP and lighter ex and it will handle even better.

[TwoGuyWitSis]

Originally Posted by ryker

So after 7.0 seconds with hard launch your race car Si is about 2-4' nose to nose leading the mom in her minivan. You still can't move over and pass. Soccer mom would be at your door looking inside your car, drinking her Starbucks and laughing.

The si is pulling .39g.
The minivan automatic trans and standard tires pulls .38 g.
C6 lt3 pulls .62 g.

Originally Posted by ryker

Even on the 1/4 a minivan is just .3 seconds slower. Equall the tire class and the minivan would tie or beat the Si. 15.3 verse 15.6

Then why are you here? why does this even matter to you? go out an get yourself an overpriced family hauler. NONE of us will miss you if you have this attitude in all your posts.

[ryker]

I just get a kick out of the Si owners who think they own a race car and it's the best car ever sold on earth.

[HeelsandEers]

Lol. "If you upgrade this, and this, and this, then it should be the same or better than an Si."

[chatttownstunna]

And you really think an Ex with hfp will out handle a stock si? There are more factors that the si has on its side. Such as LSD and all of the other little things..

[SiSedan08]

Originally Posted by clark3554

like i said i kept up on most of the turns i.e. the really tight ones. and i think hes a pretty good driver considering he tracks the car. its really not worth it to put it hard on the back roads tho especially with a Z, the back end kicks out so easy. I may know from experience

Just because someone can take their car to the track doesn't make them a great driver. You are talking about a car that (according to motor trend) is barely slower around the tack than a gtr.

Originally Posted by lucasbutts

I drove a 2010 Si and a 2010 DX and bought the DX.... why pay almost 30k for an Si, seems a bit ridiculous you can buy a barely, BARELY used STI for that price which is clearly a better overall car... If performance is what you want and your an Si owner harping on the r18 owners because its so much better performance wise, you look like a jackass.

Guy was trying to yank your chain, good thing you didn't get that. I understand your point, but I probably wouldn't buy a used sti...too much risk imo. Here in the states I paid 21,750 out the door with taxes and tags for a Civic Si with nav and summer tires...kinda hard to beat that for the price.

As far as the R18 vs Si debate. Two different cars. The r18 is a commuter car, it gets good mpgs and is a quite car. The Si is more of a car enthusiast car. The Si is more appealing if you do care about the engine, suspension, 6 speed, and other goodies. I owned a 2006 civic ex and it was fun for what it was...everyday commuter car; however I will not compare an r18 to a civic si in terms of fun factor...just doesn't have the personality/fun factor of the Si.

[HeelsandEers]

If you could point me in the direction of the person who said the Si was a racecar or the best car sold on earth, I'd love to see.

[chatttownstunna]

Originally Posted by HeelsandEers

If you could point me in the direction of the person who said the Si was a racecar or the best car sold on earth, I'd love to see.

Stallion

[HeelsandEers]

Haha no lie that's who I thought of when I typed that. That and the guy who said his bolt on Si kept up with the Stage 3 ko4 GTI.