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Old 08-26-2010, 02:40 PM   #61 (permalink)
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but the m3 still won.....
Having been a subscriber to Motortrend and C&D for years, I can tell you that they will usually decide in favor of BMW if the tesing is a dead heat. .6 of a second is literally a dead-heat.

They did mention in the article that with the money saved on the Mustang, you could purchase another Mustang. Or you could always buy an Si and go F/I with the savings.

By their own words, the Mustang only needs better dampers. Win/win.
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The 24hr race at the famous 'ring in Germany and the winner was?

I'd love to see track times at Nurburgring?
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Old 08-26-2010, 03:24 PM   #63 (permalink)
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I have relatives in the car business. I literally have access to most new/used cars except the most exotic. I also have a friend who actually owns an E36 lightweight along with several other BMW's and will admit that the other car companies have caught up to, and in many cases passed BMW in driving feel.

It's not wise to make assumptions based on limited knowledge.
Take a look at the reviews for the new 5-series. It's getting reamed for its poor steering and softened suspension (even w/ the sport package).
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but the m3 still won.....
Really? You don't say. Hmm, the 5.0 is ever so sliglty faster in quarter mile, is better on a road course with an average driver and virtually the same with Randy Pobst. Seems like the Mustang is better at braking too. Of course, they cheated because they used the optional Brembo package. Lateral acceleration, the 5.0 wins. Figure 8, the 5.0 wins. All in all, I think you are quite wrong.

And btw, for Ryker, the BMW had 3.85 gears with a strong first gear than the 5.0. Also, for Ryker, the 24 hours at Nurburgring is for race cars. Granted, they are based on production cars, but that in itself is not everything. Over at the Continental Challenge, the two cars are in a virtual tie. Anything in racing is often more one team being superior to other teams rather than one make of car being superior to other makes of cars. Man, the things that you will do to prove your point.
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Not sure what this means. Haven't read anything about guys with GT500's wrapping their cars around trees. Nor Challenger SRT's or Camaro SS's or Corvettes for that that matter.
[NEW Camaro torn in half!] Unreal Camaro crash - DigitalCorvettes.com
now, you have.

the driver walked away!!
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In addition to the Ford Racing S/C that makes 624 hp, Roush just came out with a S/C package for the 5.0 Mustang: Autoblog — We Obsessively Cover The Auto Industry

Mustang owners have always had a healthy appetite for the aftermarket, and it looks like the new 5.0 will provide plenty of opportunities for warranty-busting horsepower upgrades. Ford Racing just unveiled its supercharger system good for up to 624 horsepower, and now Roush has introduced its own ROUSHcharger system for the 5.0-liter V8.

The Roush system utilizes the TVS2300 supercharger first seen on the P-51A Mustang (replacing the old Eaton M90-based blower) and requires professional installation and calibration. A 90mm pulley good for seven psi, with 47 lb/hr fuel injectors, high-flow fuel rails and a twin 60mm throttle body included in the kit. Roush says that the system can produce up to 550 horsepower and 470 pound-feet torque with the stock fuel pump, and even more with additional upgrades. Pricing is set at $5,999, and Roush offers a 90-day parts warranty. A full system complete with a Roush calibration and a full warranty will be coming later this fall. Hit the jump for full details on the new ROUSHcharger system for the 2011 Mustang.



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My hats off to Ford. I am an old Chevy guy. I have owned a 427 vette and a Z/28 in the past. I have been considering buying the new Camaro but....... I hate that they are still OHV pushrods motors. I really like the specs/tech on the new 5.0 motor.
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My hats off to Ford. I am an old Chevy guy. I have owned a 427 vette and a Z/28 in the past. I have been considering buying the new Camaro but....... I hate that they are still OHV pushrods motors. I really like the specs/tech on the new 5.0 motor.
Why? Unless you need to rev above 7000, pushrods work fine, and can be made to go higher. Much more compact (and usually lighter) than a DOHC engine too.
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good job bmw, scared of a $30k pony car so you have to outsource performance parts and charge even more for the car.

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Why? Unless you need to rev above 7000, pushrods work fine, and can be made to go higher. Much more compact (and usually lighter) than a DOHC engine too.
Because a pushrod engine is noisier, burns more fuel, produces more pollution, and cannot produce the same amount of hp and tq after upgrades that a cammer can.

As for dinan upgrades to a bimmer, you might want to check the pricing on those. If you can barely afford an m3, you can forget anything made by dinan. About 20k just for the kit and exhaust upgrade.

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Because a pushrod engine is noisier and cannot produce the same amount oh hp and t after upgrades that a cammer can.
slap me in the ass and call me shirley but i think youre way off on this one. arent pro nhra drag cars push rods/ohv ?
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slap me in the ass and call me shirley but i think youre way off on this one. arent pro nhra drag cars push rods/ohv ?
Yes. But you're making the mistake in comparing an engine that does not need to pass emissions regulations, nor last past the warranty period.

Not to mention those engines run on about 113 octane. Try getting that at the local bp or shell.
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Very impressive. Ford is stepping up.
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Yes. But you're making the mistake in comparing an engine that does not need to pass emissions regulations, nor last past the warranty period.

Not to mention those engines run on about 113 octane. Try getting that at the local bp or shell.
i disagree. current lsX engines are pushrods and making great HP while passing emissions. im not trying to argue. just stating facts. im a GM guy at heart when it comes to muscle....but ill agree with you on one thing. the coyote engine is fuggin sweet
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Because a pushrod engine is noisier, burns more fuel, produces more pollution, and cannot produce the same amount of hp and tq after upgrades that a cammer can.
I seem to recall that a 430hp Corvette gets 26mpg on the highway. Not sure any other 400+hp car can do the same.

Got a source for your other claims about noise, pollution, etc.?
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The 2010 GS beat the 2010 M3 in a head to head test.

But keep in mind, the GS is $60K.
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Why? Unless you need to rev above 7000, pushrods work fine, and can be made to go higher. Much more compact (and usually lighter) than a DOHC engine too.
Ever run big cams on an old OHV??? My 427 with L-88 cams rattled the whole car and spit so much raw fuel out the exhaust at idle that it was like tear gas. With VTEC /VTC you can have your cake and eat it too.
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Ever run big cams on an old OHV??? My 427 with L-88 cams rattled the whole car and spit so much raw fuel out the exhaust at idle that it was like tear gas. With VTEC /VTC you can have your cake and eat it too.
why r u guts talkin about ohv engines th enew stang is dohc as well as the m3
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