Ok for the last time.. ENGINE BREAK IN

hatchbac_smokin_you · 11-14-2006, 05:08 PM

Here is a few different methods this site explains and gives pretty good reasons for doing it their way.. Tell me what you think and how you guys have done yours.. I am picking up my Habby next wensday and want to know your opinion on how i should break this bad boy in...

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

hatchbac_smokin_you · 11-14-2006, 05:23 PM

any responses?

damon300s · 11-14-2006, 05:27 PM

I was always told drive it from day one like you will always drive......
Give it hell as soon as you leave the dealership.... Have owned 4 honda's bought new and did the same on all.. all ran fine no probs! But that is me do what you want.

P.S. If you did not order the car and you bought it from the lot and it had 10-20 miles on it you can bet it had the piss ran out of it on test drive's. I do it to every car I test drive to see what it has.

hatchbac_smokin_you · 11-14-2006, 05:28 PM

ya that was my feeling as well..

hatchbac_smokin_you · 11-14-2006, 05:54 PM

is that it? no more responses...

hoanger · 11-14-2006, 07:44 PM

well
i didnt drive over 110 KM/h for the first 1000 KM
i never went past 3K RPM in that 1000 KM
i babied that car like it would break down the next day

although after reading a bit on the site and having you drive it hard to get more power and such... i dunno if this is a site dedicated to ruining people's new cars or its true and thats what everyone should be doing.

after owning 3 cars myself, 2 of them being very reliable cars (1990 and 1999 Toyota Corolla) and driving them hard, after a few years everything starts to sound the same way you treated it; like shit.
things rattle, it gets noisy and blah blah but i found that driving a car with care tends to result in a car that runs smoothly and quietly down the road.

of course, for power enthusiasts, every bit of it counts so maybe its just me.

Civic Pride · 11-14-2006, 07:50 PM

Nice find i think is true i know some guys who drive their cars hard since day ane and do really good at the track, me myself i drove it hard since after like 100 miles, i learn stick on this car and you guys know how it is to learn stick lots of high revs, and to this day i have 2,400 miles and hit V-tec everiday i get on the car, is a honda they last a long time

But next car i get i will do the same drive it hard.. i think the braking period has alot to do with how well a car does in races, i know guys with stock Si's who are faster then other Si with cai and stuff, maybe it was because of the brake in!

jasongg06 · 11-14-2006, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Civic Pride

Nice find i think is true i know some guys who drive their cars hard since day ane and do really good at the track, me myself i drove it hard since after like 100 miles, i learn stick on this car and you guys know how it is to learn stick lots of high revs, and to this day i have 2,400 miles and hit V-tec everiday i get on the car, is a honda they last a long time

But next car i get i will do the same drive it hard.. i think the braking period has alot to do with how well a car does in races, i know guys with stock Si's who are faster then other Si with cai and stuff, maybe it was because of the brake in!

why do you hit the high revs learning how to drive stick? i didn't, the most i did was stall a few times in first gear / from a stop

hoanger · 11-14-2006, 09:17 PM

when i learned on the civic, i was always scared to stall from a start cause that was probably the most difficult thing to do.
i always revved it high maybe 2 - 2.5K rpms and burned out so much at the beginning because starting at low rpms made me uncomfortable.
other than that my driving was fine.

Civic Pride · 11-14-2006, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasongg06

why do you hit the high revs learning how to drive stick? i didn't, the most i did was stall a few times in first gear / from a stop

I rev high when i use to get stuck in a hill and i din't know how to start the car from a hill at the time, so the only way of not staling was to step on the gas all the way and let go of the clutch

i drive good now

**Gonzo** · 11-14-2006, 10:40 PM

Ok I've done searches on google regarding this method.

What I've found so far (Mostly motorcycle people, some car folks. Though it should be noted if there was ever an auto engine close to a motorcycle engine it would be from a Honda) has been positive. Good power and no oil burning they say.

Too early to call. I'm going to do some more research on the subject, so far it is definitely worth looking into.

mtbiker278 · 11-15-2006, 09:15 AM

I find the best method is to rev it up to the limiter as soon as your start the car and hold it for like 30 secs, then do a burnout in reverse, then drop the revs a bit and punch it into 5th....

liuh · 11-15-2006, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtbiker278

I find the best method is to rev it up to the limiter as soon as your start the car and hold it for like 30 secs, then do a burnout in reverse, then drop the revs a bit and punch it into 5th....

what was the point of this post? lol

si_civic · 11-15-2006, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by liuh

what was the point of this post? lol

To prove that there is a lot of people out there gullible enough to fall for this.

This is why we have posts "omgbbq, why 1s my car burnIng oil11?"

GlennS · 11-15-2006, 12:56 PM

I am picking up my Habby next wensday and want to know your opinion on how i should break this bad boy in...

Forgive me for stating the obvious here, but: Honda engineers the car, builds the car, writes the Owners Manual and warrenty's the car.

In my non-Si owners manual (EX coupe), a section about breaking in the car appears. There, the car manufacturer says to basically take it easy for the first 600 miles. I'm guessing the Si manual has something similar in it as well.

Why believe *anything* you read elsewhere, especially on the Internet?

You: My engine is dead. It's under warrenty, right?
Honda: No. The car computer shows multiple rev-limiter hits before 600 miles.
You: But I read on the Internet that I should break it in hard right away.
Honda: You're on your own. We'll work up an estimate. Have a nice day.

My advice? Call me crazy, but I'd trust word of the company that built your car.

hatchbac_smokin_you · 11-15-2006, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Ok I've done searches on google regarding this method.

What I've found so far (Mostly motorcycle people, some car folks. Though it should be noted if there was ever an auto engine close to a motorcycle engine it would be from a Honda) has been positive. Good power and no oil burning they say.

Too early to call. I'm going to do some more research on the subject, so far it is definitely worth looking into.

thanks i appreciate it...

**Gonzo** · 11-15-2006, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennS

I am picking up my Habby next wensday and want to know your opinion on how i should break this bad boy in...

Forgive me for stating the obvious here, but: Honda engineers the car, builds the car, writes the Owners Manual and warrenty's the car.

In my non-Si owners manual (EX coupe), a section about breaking in the car appears. There, the car manufacturer says to basically take it easy for the first 600 miles. I'm guessing the Si manual has something similar in it as well.

Why believe *anything* you read elsewhere, especially on the Internet?

You: My engine is dead. It's under warrenty, right?
Honda: No. The car computer shows multiple rev-limiter hits before 600 miles.
You: But I read on the Internet that I should break it in hard right away.
Honda: You're on your own. We'll work up an estimate. Have a nice day.

My advice? Call me crazy, but I'd trust word of the company that built your car.

I see your point and the value in it, but it doesn't mean this method is invalid. Right now I personally can't recommend because I don't know enough about it but the people that have claimed to have done it they say they got good results.

Also just out of curiosity, where did the article mention you should redline your engine? I don't think it did. I dunno if I'd call anything in the article outright abuse. Though I think the author really needs to provide more technical information as to why and how it works. That is lacking thus far, but I also haven't seen much technical data to the contrary. (Though I also haven't looked a whole lot yet.) Though people swear by the method, all I hear is they are telling us to trust their judgement. I'd prefer some scientific backing, heh.

If one were to take anything from this article I think the most important thing is that early on you should use ample throttle and engine braking as well. Also I think the idea that you should drive the car like you expect to drive in during its life may have merit.

Anyhow I have much more reading to do before I can come to any conclusion. If you are curious I'd suggest you do the same.

NiD4SPD · 11-15-2006, 02:33 PM

Let me throw my $0.02 in here. I was recently in Germany talking to my friend who works for BMW, he was talking about parts and tolerances and how nowdays you can do whatever you want to an engine and not have serious consequences. He was talking about back in the day that the break-in needed to be much more gradual. So I challenged him, asked him why Honda would say in their Manuals that you have to baby it for the first 600 miles (1000 km). He said they just do, because they have always done it, I think he may have said that BMW still does the same. But it's different now. Back a while ago I took a tour of their BMW factory in Munich and after the cars roll off the line, they put them on rollers and test everything, rev it up to make sure everything works, I'm sure Honda does the same. So if any damage was to be done it is done then.

And about that website linked earlier, the key point is you have to run the engine UNDER LOAD, so no idling or neutral bombing. Take it on the highway where there's proper cooling.

damon300s · 11-15-2006, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo

I see your point and the value in it, but it doesn't mean this method is invalid. Right now I personally can't recommend because I don't know enough about it but the people that have claimed to have done it they say they got good results.

Also just out of curiosity, where did the article mention you should redline your engine? I don't think it did. I dunno if I'd call anything in the article outright abuse. Though I think the author really needs to provide more technical information as to why and how it works. That is lacking thus far, but I also haven't seen much technical data to the contrary. (Though I also haven't looked a whole lot yet.) Though people swear by the method, all I hear is they are telling us to trust their judgement. I'd prefer some scientific backing, heh.

If one were to take anything from this article I think the most important thing is that early on you should use ample throttle and engine braking as well. Also I think the idea that you should drive the car like you expect to drive in during its life may have merit.

Anyhow I have much more reading to do before I can come to any conclusion. If you are curious I'd suggest you do the same.

It did not say you have to red line it. Just use full throttle for a while you can shift before you red line it. Also thats why they say use a higher gear that way you have a longer period of full throttle before you have to shift. If you are worried about the dealers, which I have read many of you on here are, Go to autozone buy a OBDII scanner( they carry them) and erase all code's on ecu. cost about $80 for scan tool, and it will work on all OBDII cars. It is worth the money if you are modding the car up alot. Will save you some money in the long run. But it you do not want to spend any money Autozone will clear all code's for you for free.............

hatchbac_smokin_you · 11-15-2006, 04:17 PM

ok so I have read many articles and actually just got off the phone with Bisi.. He is a engineer that I have known for a while and the dude knows what he is talking about...

http://www.bisimoto.com/

Anyway he says one reason a manual would say that is to get you use to your car.. You just bought it so they dont want you to get crazy yet.. he also said that the motor has been cranked up already before it even touches the car.. Here is what I told him I plan on doing and he said it sounds great and that is the way it should be done.. I told him for the first 200 miles i am gonna get it on the freeway and just drive.. do a couple of wot in 2nd 3rd 4rth a couple of times as well and take it to around 6k.. then let the engine decelerate itself during the wot's... he says another reason for the break in is for the clutch to set properly as well.. Another thing is that he says what the manual/dealer is correct about is taking it back for the first oil change when the reckomend it.. not like what i have seen on this forum as well as other sites when they say run it for 20-100 miles and then change your fluid.. he says that is not true..i really trust this guy as he is a honda guru and a brainchild.. if there is anyone in this forum that still bangs a B or D series you should look this guy up.. his shit is hot! man he had a d16 sohc vtec all motor that ran into the 9's..

11-14-2006, 05:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
hatchbac_smokin_you Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,112 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Ok for the last time.. ENGINE BREAK IN Here is a few different methods this site explains and gives pretty good reasons for doing it their way.. Tell me what you think and how you guys have done yours.. I am picking up my Habby next wensday and want to know your opinion on how i should break this bad boy in... http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

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damon300s Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 99 Damon iTrader: 0 / 0%	break in I was always told drive it from day one like you will always drive...... Give it hell as soon as you leave the dealership.... Have owned 4 honda's bought new and did the same on all.. all ran fine no probs! But that is me do what you want. P.S. If you did not order the car and you bought it from the lot and it had 10-20 miles on it you can bet it had the piss ran out of it on test drive's. I do it to every car I test drive to see what it has.

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11-14-2006, 05:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
hatchbac_smokin_you Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,112 iTrader: 0 / 0%	any responses?

11-14-2006, 05:28 PM	#4 (permalink)
hatchbac_smokin_you Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,112 iTrader: 0 / 0%	ya that was my feeling as well..

11-14-2006, 05:54 PM	#5 (permalink)
hatchbac_smokin_you Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,112 iTrader: 0 / 0%	is that it? no more responses...

11-14-2006, 07:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
hoanger Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 4,723 Jason iTrader: 1 / 100%	well i didnt drive over 110 KM/h for the first 1000 KM i never went past 3K RPM in that 1000 KM i babied that car like it would break down the next day although after reading a bit on the site and having you drive it hard to get more power and such... i dunno if this is a site dedicated to ruining people's new cars or its true and thats what everyone should be doing. after owning 3 cars myself, 2 of them being very reliable cars (1990 and 1999 Toyota Corolla) and driving them hard, after a few years everything starts to sound the same way you treated it; like shit. things rattle, it gets noisy and blah blah but i found that driving a car with care tends to result in a car that runs smoothly and quietly down the road. of course, for power enthusiasts, every bit of it counts so maybe its just me.

11-14-2006, 07:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
Civic Pride Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Brownsville,TN Age: 22 Posts: 3,437 iTrader: 5 / 100%	Nice find i think is true i know some guys who drive their cars hard since day ane and do really good at the track, me myself i drove it hard since after like 100 miles, i learn stick on this car and you guys know how it is to learn stick lots of high revs, and to this day i have 2,400 miles and hit V-tec everiday i get on the car, is a honda they last a long time But next car i get i will do the same drive it hard.. i think the braking period has alot to do with how well a car does in races, i know guys with stock Si's who are faster then other Si with cai and stuff, maybe it was because of the brake in!

11-14-2006, 09:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
hoanger Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 4,723 Jason iTrader: 1 / 100%	when i learned on the civic, i was always scared to stall from a start cause that was probably the most difficult thing to do. i always revved it high maybe 2 - 2.5K rpms and burned out so much at the beginning because starting at low rpms made me uncomfortable. other than that my driving was fine.

11-14-2006, 10:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
Gonzo You're doing it wrong!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 21 Posts: 5,494 iTrader: 5 / 100%	Ok I've done searches on google regarding this method. What I've found so far (Mostly motorcycle people, some car folks. Though it should be noted if there was ever an auto engine close to a motorcycle engine it would be from a Honda) has been positive. Good power and no oil burning they say. Too early to call. I'm going to do some more research on the subject, so far it is definitely worth looking into.

11-15-2006, 09:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
mtbiker278 Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 49 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I find the best method is to rev it up to the limiter as soon as your start the car and hold it for like 30 secs, then do a burnout in reverse, then drop the revs a bit and punch it into 5th....

11-15-2006, 12:56 PM	#15 (permalink)
GlennS Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Connecticut Age: 54 Posts: 574 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I am picking up my Habby next wensday and want to know your opinion on how i should break this bad boy in... Forgive me for stating the obvious here, but: Honda engineers the car, builds the car, writes the Owners Manual and warrenty's the car. In my non-Si owners manual (EX coupe), a section about breaking in the car appears. There, the car manufacturer says to basically take it easy for the first 600 miles. I'm guessing the Si manual has something similar in it as well. Why believe anything you read elsewhere, especially on the Internet? You: My engine is dead. It's under warrenty, right? Honda: No. The car computer shows multiple rev-limiter hits before 600 miles. You: But I read on the Internet that I should break it in hard right away. Honda: You're on your own. We'll work up an estimate. Have a nice day. My advice? Call me crazy, but I'd trust word of the company that built your car.

11-15-2006, 02:33 PM	#18 (permalink)
NiD4SPD Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Calgary Age: 24 Posts: 162 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Let me throw my $0.02 in here. I was recently in Germany talking to my friend who works for BMW, he was talking about parts and tolerances and how nowdays you can do whatever you want to an engine and not have serious consequences. He was talking about back in the day that the break-in needed to be much more gradual. So I challenged him, asked him why Honda would say in their Manuals that you have to baby it for the first 600 miles (1000 km). He said they just do, because they have always done it, I think he may have said that BMW still does the same. But it's different now. Back a while ago I took a tour of their BMW factory in Munich and after the cars roll off the line, they put them on rollers and test everything, rev it up to make sure everything works, I'm sure Honda does the same. So if any damage was to be done it is done then. And about that website linked earlier, the key point is you have to run the engine UNDER LOAD, so no idling or neutral bombing. Take it on the highway where there's proper cooling.

11-15-2006, 04:17 PM	#20 (permalink)
hatchbac_smokin_you Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,112 iTrader: 0 / 0%	ok so I have read many articles and actually just got off the phone with Bisi.. He is a engineer that I have known for a while and the dude knows what he is talking about... http://www.bisimoto.com/ Anyway he says one reason a manual would say that is to get you use to your car.. You just bought it so they dont want you to get crazy yet.. he also said that the motor has been cranked up already before it even touches the car.. Here is what I told him I plan on doing and he said it sounds great and that is the way it should be done.. I told him for the first 200 miles i am gonna get it on the freeway and just drive.. do a couple of wot in 2nd 3rd 4rth a couple of times as well and take it to around 6k.. then let the engine decelerate itself during the wot's... he says another reason for the break in is for the clutch to set properly as well.. Another thing is that he says what the manual/dealer is correct about is taking it back for the first oil change when the reckomend it.. not like what i have seen on this forum as well as other sites when they say run it for 20-100 miles and then change your fluid.. he says that is not true..i really trust this guy as he is a honda guru and a brainchild.. if there is anyone in this forum that still bangs a B or D series you should look this guy up.. his shit is hot! man he had a d16 sohc vtec all motor that ran into the 9's..