Top Tier Gas: What's your opinion?

apalone · 08-05-2006, 05:10 PM

A few of the largest of the major Oil/Gasoline companies have switched to Top Tier Gas... but many of the major retailers still don't have Top Tier Gas, such as Amoco, BP, Citgo, HESS, Marathon, Sheetz, Speedway, Sunoco, Pilot, Texaco.

Its hard for me to believe that if 4 of the biggest auto makers reccomend it, that more companies wouldn't be offering.

I'm just wondering do you really think anything would happen to your engine in the long run if you filled up with an Amoco, BP or Citgo or Sunoco everyday? Nascar uses Sunoco after all.

Also, Texaco is now owned by Cheveron which is Top Tier. BP bought Amoco and then BP was bought by Exxon/Mobil which is Top Tier... so does this mean Amoco, BP and Texaco carry Top Tier Gas? And if they do why are they not listed as such on the The Top Tier Gas website?
http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html

Why would a company offer Top Tier at certain stations and not others? I just wonder if this is all marketing and how much its really doing for your car

m1k3 · 08-05-2006, 10:20 PM

yes! shell is where i fill up 9 times out of 10 and its top tier

ShaggySi · 08-05-2006, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apalone

A few of the largest of the major Oil/Gasoline companies have switched to Top Tier Gas... but many of the major retailers still don't have Top Tier Gas, such as Amoco, BP, Citgo, HESS, Marathon, Sheetz, Speedway, Sunoco, Pilot, Texaco.

Its hard for me to believe that if 4 of the biggest auto makers reccomend it, that more companies wouldn't be offering.

I'm just wondering do you really think anything would happen to your engine in the long run if you filled up with an Amoco, BP or Citgo or Sunoco everyday? Nascar uses Sunoco after all.

Also, Texaco is now owned by Cheveron which is Top Tier. BP bought Amoco and then BP was bought by Exxon/Mobil which is Top Tier... so does this mean Amoco, BP and Texaco carry Top Tier Gas? And if they do why are they not listed as such on the The Top Tier Gas website?
http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html

Why would a company offer Top Tier at certain stations and not others? I just wonder if this is all marketing and how much its really doing for your car

Yeah but NASCAR is still using leaded gas so it's not same

princecaspian · 08-05-2006, 11:37 PM

the premium without* ethenol,,is good ****,,,texaco I think..maby alot of places have it and im stupid..but I get it at texaco and ...maby im crazy but..no ethenol...and your cool..I can tell....or im bi-polar...one or the other.

Billy B

princecaspian · 08-05-2006, 11:39 PM

Forgot to mention ,,,Im running premium no ethenol,,in an 06 si.
Billy B

ballplaya4237 · 08-05-2006, 11:51 PM

So what are the added benefits of usoing Top Tier gasoline? Also how do you know whether or not ethenol is in the gas?

***CaliGuy*** · 08-05-2006, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ballplaya4237

So what are the added benefits of usoing Top Tier gasoline? Also how do you know whether or not ethenol is in the gas?

It will say on the pump if the gas contains ethanol. I could be wrong, but I believe in Cali gas must contain a percentage of ethanol.

Personally, I have never seen any benefit from using "top-tier" gas...I just buy whatever is cheapest (91 octane as thats the best we have around here)

apalone · 08-06-2006, 08:40 AM

The EPA apparently has requirements for the amount of detergent used in all fuels in the U.S. So, all gas in U.S. meets these minimum requirements; However, 4 auto manufacturers (Honda, Toyota, GM and BMW) decided that the minimum requirements didn't do enough to keep engines running clean. They developed a new standard. This standard called "Top Tier Gas" is supposed to exceed the EPA requirements and do more to keep your engine running clean.

Here is the image that shell stations have on their V-Power brand (A Top Tier Gas):

The intake value on the left is apparently from a car using discount gas and the one on the right is a car using Shell V-Power... That looks pretty bad! It supposed to be after only 5000 miles, I can't believe there is that much of a difference... Where was this discount gas from, a still in the woods?

I found another article here, where the guy quotes from an engineer for BMW.
http://tedserbinski.com/2006/06/17/top_tier_gasoline

***Special Ringpop*** · 08-06-2006, 09:16 AM

I prefer using Shell V-Power, just to be safe. I have to use premium, I may as well use a brand that supposedly is higher quality.

The vehicle that was tested on, I believe, was a Chevy Impala, if it matters, just thought someone might like to know that.

Unfortunately, for another few weeks, I have no access to anything but Holiday, BP, and Citgo, sadly.

Tom1222 · 08-06-2006, 09:52 AM

It's just detergent additives that BP and Shell have been adding for a long time. I will stay with BP since I never had a bad tank of gas from them and Shell is just across the street and always at least 12cents higher.
No Thanks.
Gas prices are high enough

SIpimpin13 · 08-07-2006, 03:19 PM

I've been using BP Ultimate the whole time I've had my SI. I've been averaging about 320 miles on a tank. My most recent tank was from Mobil, and it looks like a might be getting a little less than that on this tank, which may be because I've been using the A/C a lot. Actually though, I just read that recent studies show driving with the A/C on at speeds of over 45mph actually is better on gas than having windows down. Anyways, before I went to mobil I tried to use Shell V-power, but oddly enough...both stations in my city were OUT OF IT! And this was for a good week at least...to be honest, they might still be out of it! Another rumor I recently heard was that America may plan on not buying gas from the middle east anymore, because that money goes to funding terrorism. So in result, we'll be paying around 5-6 bucks per gallon.

Tom1222 · 08-07-2006, 03:37 PM

Actually we are buying our gas mostly from Canada where the big refineries are.
Ours are way overworked and out of date. We haven't built any new ones in decades.
And sure we will continue to buy Oil from the guys in the Middle East.
The Saudies and the United Arab Emerites UAE are our buddies and we need to support their GREED for our Dollar.

The biggest news however is the rusty old pipleline in Alaska. Portion of it has to be replaced and that will cut production by about 400,000 Barrel a day. Which will increase the price of a barrel of oil by about 10 bucks a barrel. Now when that happens Gas will be well over 4 bucks a gallon.
Time sell our cars and buy horses. Y2K just took a while to effect us.

si_civic · 08-07-2006, 07:41 PM

Chevron, in Canada, is Top Tier. Wouldn't switch to anything else.

My TBI on my 92 GMC is seriously so clean you can eat off it. Yumm

08-05-2006, 05:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
apalone Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3	Top Tier Gas: What's your opinion? A few of the largest of the major Oil/Gasoline companies have switched to Top Tier Gas... but many of the major retailers still don't have Top Tier Gas, such as Amoco, BP, Citgo, HESS, Marathon, Sheetz, Speedway, Sunoco, Pilot, Texaco. Its hard for me to believe that if 4 of the biggest auto makers reccomend it, that more companies wouldn't be offering. I'm just wondering do you really think anything would happen to your engine in the long run if you filled up with an Amoco, BP or Citgo or Sunoco everyday? Nascar uses Sunoco after all. Also, Texaco is now owned by Cheveron which is Top Tier. BP bought Amoco and then BP was bought by Exxon/Mobil which is Top Tier... so does this mean Amoco, BP and Texaco carry Top Tier Gas? And if they do why are they not listed as such on the The Top Tier Gas website? http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html Why would a company offer Top Tier at certain stations and not others? I just wonder if this is all marketing and how much its really doing for your car
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08-05-2006, 10:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
m1k3 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Jax, FL Age: 23 Posts: 1,576 Mike	yes! shell is where i fill up 9 times out of 10 and its top tier

08-05-2006, 11:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
princecaspian Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14	the premium without* ethenol,,is good ****,,,texaco I think..maby alot of places have it and im stupid..but I get it at texaco and ...maby im crazy but..no ethenol...and your cool..I can tell....or im bi-polar...one or the other. Billy B

08-05-2006, 11:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
princecaspian Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14	Forgot to mention ,,,Im running premium no ethenol,,in an 06 si. Billy B

08-05-2006, 11:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
ballplaya4237 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 24 Posts: 573	So what are the added benefits of usoing Top Tier gasoline? Also how do you know whether or not ethenol is in the gas?

08-06-2006, 08:40 AM	#8 (permalink)
apalone Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3	The EPA apparently has requirements for the amount of detergent used in all fuels in the U.S. So, all gas in U.S. meets these minimum requirements; However, 4 auto manufacturers (Honda, Toyota, GM and BMW) decided that the minimum requirements didn't do enough to keep engines running clean. They developed a new standard. This standard called "Top Tier Gas" is supposed to exceed the EPA requirements and do more to keep your engine running clean. Here is the image that shell stations have on their V-Power brand (A Top Tier Gas): The intake value on the left is apparently from a car using discount gas and the one on the right is a car using Shell V-Power... That looks pretty bad! It supposed to be after only 5000 miles, I can't believe there is that much of a difference... Where was this discount gas from, a still in the woods? I found another article here, where the guy quotes from an engineer for BMW. http://tedserbinski.com/2006/06/17/top_tier_gasoline

08-06-2006, 09:52 AM	#10 (permalink)
Tom1222 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana USA Posts: 3,094 Tom Smith	It's just detergent additives that BP and Shell have been adding for a long time. I will stay with BP since I never had a bad tank of gas from them and Shell is just across the street and always at least 12cents higher. No Thanks. Gas prices are high enough

08-07-2006, 03:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
SIpimpin13 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Yorkville, IL Posts: 1,266	I've been using BP Ultimate the whole time I've had my SI. I've been averaging about 320 miles on a tank. My most recent tank was from Mobil, and it looks like a might be getting a little less than that on this tank, which may be because I've been using the A/C a lot. Actually though, I just read that recent studies show driving with the A/C on at speeds of over 45mph actually is better on gas than having windows down. Anyways, before I went to mobil I tried to use Shell V-power, but oddly enough...both stations in my city were OUT OF IT! And this was for a good week at least...to be honest, they might still be out of it! Another rumor I recently heard was that America may plan on not buying gas from the middle east anymore, because that money goes to funding terrorism. So in result, we'll be paying around 5-6 bucks per gallon.

08-07-2006, 03:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
Tom1222 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana USA Posts: 3,094 Tom Smith	Actually we are buying our gas mostly from Canada where the big refineries are. Ours are way overworked and out of date. We haven't built any new ones in decades. And sure we will continue to buy Oil from the guys in the Middle East. The Saudies and the United Arab Emerites UAE are our buddies and we need to support their GREED for our Dollar. The biggest news however is the rusty old pipleline in Alaska. Portion of it has to be replaced and that will cut production by about 400,000 Barrel a day. Which will increase the price of a barrel of oil by about 10 bucks a barrel. Now when that happens Gas will be well over 4 bucks a gallon. Time sell our cars and buy horses. Y2K just took a while to effect us.

08-07-2006, 07:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
si_civic Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: B.C. ,Canada Age: 35 Posts: 4,610 A/Cst.D.F.Abate	Chevron, in Canada, is Top Tier. Wouldn't switch to anything else. My TBI on my 92 GMC is seriously so clean you can eat off it. Yumm

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