Porsche accuses Nissan GT-R of cheating the 'Ring

[07BlakBlak]

Originally Posted by aki

Lol. How am I taking Nissan's word for it when countless people have linked tests from third-parties that show the Porsche Turbo is slower? That's not my word, that's Top Gear, Fifth Gear, Motor Trend and Car and Driver's word.

You are assuming that Nissan did test and ship cars which are identical to the stock cars currently offered in the US. Therefore, Porsche must be "make(ing) a completely baseless statement, then droves of people take their word for it. It's ridiculous."

Nissan says the car was stock, you are taking their word for it. Porsche is saying the car was not stock based on the car they got ahold of. Some people are taking Porsche's word for it. Same thing. You just have a problem with one of them....when you get it......you'll.........you get the rest.

[07BlakBlak]

Originally Posted by nayilsi

Oh Dear!



20,832 m (68,350 ft) 7:27.82 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport Marc Basseng September 2007 Pagani conducted test,[6][7] semi-wet conditions[citation needed]
20,600 m (68,000 ft) 7:28 Porsche Carrera GT Walter Röhrl 2 July 2004 Autobild (07/04)[7]
20,832 m (68,350 ft) 7:29 2009 Nissan GT-R Toshio Suzuki 16 April 2008 Nissan Motors conducted test,[8][9][10] base GTR with stock tires, video confirmed


Porsche basically needs to make a 911.....which has to be better than the C GT which covered 200 meter less

Not sure A. what is funny and B. that would assume the Nissan GTR time was from a stock car. Which is what is in question here.

[nayilsi]

The supporters of Nissan at least has sum proof

Porsche supporters just have good philosophy skills.

[redpepSi]

what "proof" are we talking about here? there is no way to prove that the car in question wasn't tuned or tweaked at this point. end of story.

[nayilsi]

Originally Posted by redpepSi

what "proof" are we talking about here? there is no way to prove that the car in question wasn't tuned or tweaked at this point. end of story.

Since no one can answer ur question.....

Porsche will call Nissan a cheat ?


and again...according to solaris, u take the ring times with a grain of salt.

since no one disprove each other.

[07BlakBlak]

Originally Posted by nayilsi

The supporters of Nissan at least has sum proof

Porsche supporters just have good philosophy skills.

A video from inside the car? Sounds like proof to me....

Originally Posted by nayilsi

what proof do u have the car was tweaked ?

end of story.

Worlds dumbest argument. I guess this is where I am supposed to say. Proof it wasnt? Common dude.....

Im done here until you guys can understand the actual topic. Someone PM me when you have wrapped your brain around it.

[nayilsi]

^

quote to fast....I took his statement differently, until I reread....kthanksbye

[07BlakBlak]

Originally Posted by nayilsi

Since no one can answer ur question.....

Porsche will call Nissan a cheat ?


and again...according to solaris, u take the ring times with a grain of salt.

since no one disprove each other.

No, AGAIN I will try and explain this. Porsche claims to have a GTR. They claim they have been running it with their Turbo and GT2. Porsche claims they are coming up with numbers which would put that GTR 25 seconds slower then their claimed Ring number if it were stock. They think with the correct tires their number on the ring could be possible with a stock GTR + tires. Get it?

Also, I am going to try and help you out with your argument. Go back to page 5 of this thread and read the post where I have Nissan's response to Porsche. Read the whole thing, maybe read the Porsche allegation again as well. Set an egg timer for 5 minuites. Then make a rough draft of your argument, check it for sentence structure and grammar and then post it.

[nayilsi]

7:50 BMW X5 E53 LM Hans-Joachim Stuck 2000 'EVO' magazine (08/2005), BMW M70 S70B56 engine from a V12 LMR producing 750 bhp[citation needed]
7:50 2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2008), PCCB, PDK, Sport Chrono Plus, Michelin Cup tires
7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG Sport Auto (03/2005)
7:54 Nissan GT-R September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[13] stock vehicle with stock tires
7:55 Caterham R500 Superlight Robert Nearn 'EVO' magazine (07/2000)
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2006)




that would mean, the GTR would stand no chance in the TOP GEAR track.... or any track for that matter

but damn I didnt see this properly though

seems like Porsche has sum evidence also

[07BlakBlak]

Sigh.

[nayilsi]

editt

[nayilsi]

Originally Posted by 07BlakBlak

WHat?

Its good to see Porsche actually conducted a test....cause I did not come across that ring time\\


Can't wait to see the price of the GTR drop if Nissan admits cheating

or if Porsche is trying to save itself......

[07BlakBlak]

Driver's Republic - The Truth 030

Drivers Republic attempts to answer which is faster on the 'Ring, GT2 or GT-R? - Autoblog

With the wet track too......

[aki]

Using the wrong tires on the GT-R. Fail. Next time, they should actually use the Dunlops instead of heavy Bridgestone runflats.

[07BlakBlak]

Originally Posted by aki

Using the wrong tires on the GT-R. Fail. Next time, they should actually use the Dunlops instead of heavy Bridgestone runflats.

Nissan claims a 5 second diff.

[Sirbelch]

I still don't get how the GT-R is that fast.

Someone needs to arrange a test where the ZR-1, ACR, GT2, GT-R V-spec (should be out in 6 months or so) and any other car company with balls gets together and settles this.

[nayilsi]

Well...I still don't get how independent magazines got better times with the GTR.

Top Gear, RT, and the few magazine videos on utube

+

After Porsche's claim, some of the mags are now getting slower times.

[Asif22]

I'll go embarrass nissan and porsche on my goped