Porsche accuses Nissan GT-R of cheating the 'Ring

[aki]

So ridiculous. GT2 posts a time by Porsche, nobody cries foul. GT-R posts a time by Nissan, people cry for accountability.

Chadillac: ALL timed Nurburgring runs are from a running start. You're taking the quote "Convention dictates that timed laps should be set from a standing start" completely out of context. Porsche starts with a running start, Dodge did with the ACR, GM did. It's the standard. If you're going to bash the time, at least familiarize yourself with how time-attacks are done on the ring.

Third party track results confirm that it beats the GT2. I guess Top Gear is owned by Nissan? Give it a break.

[llalm]

i did recall reading sumwhere on dis forum a thread bout a viper that did 7:23secs

[Chadillac]

Originally Posted by aki

So ridiculous. GT2 posts a time by Porsche, nobody cries foul. GT-R posts a time by Nissan, people cry for accountability.

That's because nobody has taken a GT2 at the 'ring and realized that it couldn't perform anywhere near what it was suppose to.

Chadillac: ALL timed Nurburgring runs are from a running start. You're taking the quote "Convention dictates that timed laps should be set from a standing start" completely out of context. Porsche starts with a running start, Dodge did with the ACR, GM did. It's the standard. If you're going to bash the time, at least familiarize yourself with how time-attacks are done on the ring.

Do I have to post the entire article? Read it yourself. "ALL timed Nurburgring runs are from a running start." I've never read that. And the article that I just posted stronly disproves that.

Third party track results confirm that it beats the GT2. I guess Top Gear is owned by Nissan? Give it a break.

When did Top Gear time the new GT2? I don't see any time for that car.

BBC - Top Gear - Power Laps

[RWatters]

You want to question the time then go for it. I respect your opinion on the matter but it seems the only comparison you want to make is on the 'Ring. I don't know if you're choosing to ignore every other comparison that is made on different tracks or what, but that's fine. Once again it's your opinion. I'm sure it falls right in line with the upset Porsche owners.

I'm looking at real time comparisons of the GT-R at other tracks against the same competition and the GT-R still cleans up. That's all the proof I need. The GT-R is consistently faster than it's direct competition. You say it can't perform at this level but it CONTINUES to do it. I've already posted both drag times and dyno runs from purchased customer vehicles that show they are running the same times yet you still think something is up. What other proof do you need?

With that said I'm done with this conversation. It's just going to continue to go in circles. lol

BTW: Every credible time listed on the 'Ring lap chart was ran with a running start. It is the system standard. All runs haven't been done that way, but all of the quickest ones up there have.

[nayilsi]

Originally Posted by Chadillac

That's because nobody has taken a GT2 at the 'ring and realized that it couldn't perform anywhere near what it was suppose to.



Do I have to post the entire article? Read it yourself. "ALL timed Nurburgring runs are from a running start." I've never read that. And the article that I just posted stronly disproves that.



When did Top Gear time the new GT2? I don't see any time for that car.

BBC - Top Gear - Power Laps

The GTR was still faster when AUTOCAR mag tested it against the GT2

[nayilsi]

YouTube - Top Gear Australia: Nissan GT-R


again the GTR is faster

TOP GEAR AUSTRALIA


It beats yet another Porsche

YouTube - Fifth Gear: Nissan GT-R vs 997 Turbo



this obese beats the laws of physics.... thanks to precise engineering, both to mechanical and electrical.

[Solaris]

I'm not getting on either side of this argument. I personally don't care about Nurburgring times for many of the reasons stated in this article. It's lengthy, but worth reading. Speed:Sport:Life Avoidable Contact #17: Cheating Nissan, Bitter Porsche.

[Chadillac]

^ Great article Solaris, thanks for posting.

[nayilsi]

Originally Posted by Solaris

I'm not getting on either side of this argument. I personally don't care about Nurburgring times for many of the reasons stated in this article. It's lengthy, but worth reading. Speed:Sport:Life Avoidable Contact #17: Cheating Nissan, Bitter Porsche.

lolllll

they now even made an article about how pissed off Porsche is ?


I would have agreed if a single Porsche other than the C GT made better times than the GTR in magazine comparos.

Why doesn't Porsche folks buy a Brand new GTR and test em out themselves ?

The GTR is embarrassing the crap out of Porsche in every single road circuit possible.


Porsche needed to realize that their days were gone..........Evo Vs Lambo from TOP GEAR anyone ? and the GTR is supposed to the King of EVO and STI AWD Technology.....

[ryker]

Awesome article "Their potential buyers, weaned on Gran Turismo games and generally rather enamored of meaningless driving statistics"

[vf1si]

Without taking sides (or am I too late for that?) that WAS a great article. Thanks Solaris!

[nayilsi]

Originally Posted by ryker

Awesome article "Their potential buyers, weaned on Gran Turismo games and generally rather enamored of meaningless driving statistics"

ever watched a Top Gear review of a GTR ?

[Solaris]

Originally Posted by nayilsi

lolllll

they now even made an article about how pissed off Porsche is ?


I would have agreed if a single Porsche other than the C GT made better times than the GTR in magazine comparos.

Why doesn't Porsche folks buy a Brand new GTR and test em out themselves ?

The GTR is embarrassing the crap out of Porsche in every single road circuit possible.


Porsche needed to realize that their days were gone..........Evo Vs Lambo from TOP GEAR anyone ? and the GTR is supposed to the King of EVO and STI AWD Technology.....

While the author slips some GTR bashing in, the point is that you should take all Nurburgring lap times with a grain of salt. There's nothing to verify the accuracy of the claims.

[ro.sniper]

Originally Posted by ryker

Awesome article "Their potential buyers, weaned on Gran Turismo games and generally rather enamored of meaningless driving statistics"

I'd take a Porsche any day vs. a car that has more processing power then a banks mainframe. The Nissan corrects even the most dimwitted driver... fail in my books. Might as well take out the accelerator, steering wheel, brake pedal, install a picnic bench in the Nissan and enjoy the ride and have the car controlled through satellite.

[ryker]

Originally Posted by ro.sniper

I'd take a Porsche any day vs. a car that has more processing power then a banks mainframe. The Nissan corrects even the most dimwitted driver... fail in my books. Might as well take out the accelerator, steering wheel, brake pedal, install a picnic bench in the Nissan and enjoy the ride and have the car controlled through satellite.

I applaud Nissan for having great electronics. On the same hand I like to feel a car and will never drive on a track to the limits to need most of those fancy gizmos. I test drove a cheap used Boxster about three weeks ago. The car just felt great. Sure it was slow but it felt right. Even as I got it sideways on the freeway on ramp with cold tires it felt right on.

Feel is something magazines can't rate. They can't compare the top ten best feeling cars. But they sure like to compare the fastest this of the fastest that. Some of the best cars I've owned and driven were not the fastest 0-60, 1/4 times, and probably were never tested on the "ring".

[aki]

Originally Posted by Solaris

While the author slips some GTR bashing in, the point is that you should take all Nurburgring lap times with a grain of salt. There's nothing to verify the accuracy of the claims.

The thing that people don't understand is, it's not just Nurburgring times. The GT-R has spanked the Porsche Turbo across numerous third-party tests. Which makes this whole "Nissan cheated ZOMG" so ridiculous.

You're so quick to believe that the GT-R is a whopping 25 seconds slower than the Porsche on the ring. You say Nissan has no evidence of getting the time (save for a video capping the whole thing). But Porsche has NO evidence that Nissan used slicks either, and yet you take their word for it. It just shows a bias against the GT-R, and has zero grounds to be true.

Since people seem to love unsupported claims, you know what, my Civic Si is 25 seconds faster than a Porsche on the 'ring. I have nothing to show for it, but because I think it should be faster, it is.

[07BlakBlak]

Originally Posted by aki

The thing that people don't understand is, it's not just Nurburgring times. The GT-R has spanked the Porsche Turbo across numerous third-party tests. Which makes this whole "Nissan cheated ZOMG" so ridiculous.

You're so quick to believe that the GT-R is a whopping 25 seconds slower than the Porsche on the ring. .

I think you need to take your personal emotion out of this subject. Your "crush" on the GTR is clouding your posts.

Everyone here has said numerous times that the first few cars released to mags. and which ran the ring were tuned hot.

Also, its not 25 seconds slower then the Porsche. Its 25 seconds slower than itself when it ran the ring the first time. That would lead you to believe A. The car was hot B. Some simple comparisons would tell you those tires were not on the car.

Kinda like the Cobalt SS but we wont get back into that right now.

[07BlakBlak]

Originally Posted by nayilsi

lolllll

Why doesn't Porsche folks buy a Brand new GTR and test em out themselves ?

The GTR is embarrassing the crap out of Porsche in every single road circuit possible.


Porsche needed to realize that their days were gone..........Evo Vs Lambo from TOP GEAR anyone ? and the GTR is supposed to the King of EVO and STI AWD Technology.....

They are doing precisely that. You are also comparing a much anticipated Jap. Supercar against a 4 year old 911 Turbo. The PDK version will be out in 2010.

You need to calm it down a bit too. So emotional about this....wow.

[07BlakBlak]

Nissan defends GT-R 'Ring time
Posted Oct 3rd 2008 12:30PM by Jeremy Korzeniewski
Filed under: Supercars, Nissan, Porsche



Click above for a high-res gallery of the Nissan GT-R


As expected, Nissan has responded to Porsche's claims that the GT-R isn't quite as fast as they say it is. In fact, representatives for the German automaker suggested that Nissan may have used racing slicks to achieve the 7:29:03 lap time of the Nürburgring. Says Nissan, "The final word from us is that it was done on absolutely standard tires which are available to customers in the showroom. They're not trick tires – absolutely standard tires, normal road tires."

Despite the allegations, Nissan is remaining calm about the issue, adding that the fast time was set by its racing driver, Tochio Suzuki, and achieved using the GT-R's optional Dunlop tires. Could it be that Porsche purchased a model with the slightly slower Bridgestones? Maybe, but can having the right tires could account for a 25-second lap time difference? In any case, Nissan's taking the high-road, falling short of suggesting that Porsche's drivers are slow. Thanks for the tip, Ed!

[Solaris]

Originally Posted by aki

You're so quick to believe that the GT-R is a whopping 25 seconds slower than the Porsche on the ring. You say Nissan has no evidence of getting the time (save for a video capping the whole thing). But Porsche has NO evidence that Nissan used slicks either, and yet you take their word for it. It just shows a bias against the GT-R, and has zero grounds to be true.

"You", as in me? You can't mean me, because I never said any of that.