Why Is This?

h22civicguy · 05-13-2008, 04:56 PM

Im sure this question has been answered before.I searched an i couldnt find nothing.so heres the question.... why is it that ajp pushes alot more power than lets say greddy or comptech but here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydpo7...eature=related .. theres kits on here that run very similar times.... sorry if itsa dumb question.im not trying to start nothing i swear... just curious.

thanks guys

ItsMeRicky07 · 05-13-2008, 05:38 PM

depends on driver, conditions and what boost he ran. They run 4psi i think which produces about 300whp, a little more than a good greddy kit and we all know comptech super charger will have a little less power but it will have the power ALL over the power band

h22civicguy · 05-13-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ItsMeRicky07

depends on driver, conditions and what boost he ran. They run 4psi i think which produces about 300whp, a little more than a good greddy kit and we all know comptech super charger will have a little less power but it will have the power ALL over the power band

yes i understnad all of that. i know it depends on conditions etc..they claim about 376 whp at 8.5 psi. in that video he is boosting 7 lbs. so he is somewhere in that range. but thats exactly my point ALOT more horsepower but we see comptech running 13's all day long with bout 100 hp less. i just dont get it.

anavrin351 · 05-13-2008, 06:41 PM

^^i am in the same boat. I dont know why a civic with near 400 hp isnt running in the 12s with ease. or faster for that matter.

ru2slow? · 05-13-2008, 06:51 PM

Its all about traction folks. FWD 1/4 miles times are far from representative of how fast a car actually is. Ive seen a 300whp FWD DSM run a 13.5 with a 110 trap. Pay more attention to trap speeds than actual times if you're looking for a gauge of how fast a FWD car is. If you do the math you'll realize that a 110 trap speed with a lower 60 ft will net you well into the 12s. The easiest part is making the horsepower numbers. The hardest part is finding traction and keeping it once you have the power.

blueroadster · 05-13-2008, 07:18 PM

Basically the AJP turbo kit puts a lot more power to the ground because it uses a larger turbo and has a tubular based manifold vice smaller turbo and log style manifold used in the Greddy turbo kit. The AJP kit also requires more than just the turbo kit by itself in order to produce the numbers advertised (you also need the fuel return kit, Hondata based reflash, and full 3" exhaust...each of which is an additional cost).

***07CivicMD*** · 05-13-2008, 09:48 PM

Traction is a larger issue like "ru2slow" committed above. The AJP kit was designed for power compared to the Greddy kit. The turbo is quite larger PT6167 compared to the T5172Z (16G) of the Greddy kit. The Greddy kit spools quicker and hits full boost instantly and the AGP is a little lagger but the turbo size makes up the difference in a matter of seconds. I also believe the AJP kit comes with 550 injectors compared to the Greddy's 370cc injectors. And what Blue committed above is also a true statement.

***mad monkey*** · 05-14-2008, 03:56 AM

A 110 trap into the 12's? That's a damn good 60 ft. for 12's. This is why I'd go with a custom setup and not a kit. Too much controversy on what does what! lol

ReDHatchyGuy · 05-14-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 07CivicMD

Traction is a larger issue like "ru2slow" committed above. The AJP kit was designed for power compared to the Greddy kit. The turbo is quite larger PT6167 compared to the T5172Z (16G) of the Greddy kit. The Greddy kit spools quicker and hits full boost instantly and the AGP is a little lagger but the turbo size makes up the difference in a matter of seconds. I also believe the AJP kit comes with 550 injectors compared to the Greddy's 370cc injectors. And what Blue committed above is also a true statement.

the AJP kits were using a percision SC-61 not a PT

darkrom · 05-14-2008, 08:26 AM

Where can I buy the AJP kit? I was on their site and couldn't seem to find it...

***07CivicMD*** · 05-14-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ReDHatchyGuy

the AJP kits were using a percision SC-61 not a PT

Sorry.. your correct the SC.. was thinking of the Swift Racing kit being put together will have the PT series.

ru2slow? · 05-14-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mad monkey

A 110 trap into the 12's? That's a damn good 60 ft. for 12's. This is why I'd go with a custom setup and not a kit. Too much controversy on what does what! lol

AWD cars run 12.4s and similar consistantly with traps of 108-112. With a lighter car, good pair of slicks, an LSD, and a good driver a FWD could definitely be within 4 tenths of that range.

ItsMeRicky07 · 05-14-2008, 06:56 PM

yea i heard over 280whp on FWD is kinda pointless.... from a stand still. Like once your in the 50mph then drop a few gears that power is there but from a stand still the power is just throwing gravel...... aint gonna stop me from getting 500whp XD but yea most of it wont EVER be used.

anavrin351 · 05-14-2008, 07:22 PM

whats traps? if its the speed at the end, i know a guy who runs in the 12s, but his mph is only like 95. i remember it was rely close to an SI speed. His car is torquey and doesnt have any top end.

ru2slow? · 05-14-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ItsMeRicky07

yea i heard over 280whp on FWD is kinda pointless.... from a stand still. Like once your in the 50mph then drop a few gears that power is there but from a stand still the power is just throwing gravel...... aint gonna stop me from getting 500whp XD but yea most of it wont EVER be used.

I wouldn't say I agree with that statement about 280+ being useless at all. Alot of people who say that base their opinions on hearsay, or don't have the drive to make something work well that wasn't necessarily designed to do so. FWD is clearly not the idea setup for a vehicle to go as fast as possible in a straight line. There are a number of things, however, that can be done to help counteract the short comings of a FWD with high hp from a complete stop. You may never rip out of the hole like an Evo, but you can certainly make things much more interesting with the right mods and good driving technique.

ru2slow? · 05-14-2008, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by anavrin351

whats traps? if its the speed at the end, i know a guy who runs in the 12s, but his mph is only like 95. i remember it was rely close to an SI speed. His car is torquey and doesnt have any top end.

Traps are trap speeds, or the mph that a car is at when it reaches the quarter mile point. So yes, its basically your speed at the end.

05-13-2008, 04:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
h22civicguy Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: fontucky Age: 20 Posts: 43 ivan iTrader: 0 / 0%	Why Is This? Im sure this question has been answered before.I searched an i couldnt find nothing.so heres the question.... why is it that ajp pushes alot more power than lets say greddy or comptech but here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydpo7...eature=related .. theres kits on here that run very similar times.... sorry if itsa dumb question.im not trying to start nothing i swear... just curious. thanks guys

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*07CivicMD* VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Odenton Age: 38 Posts: 1,321 Roger iTrader: 4 / 100%	Traction is a larger issue like "ru2slow" committed above. The AJP kit was designed for power compared to the Greddy kit. The turbo is quite larger PT6167 compared to the T5172Z (16G) of the Greddy kit. The Greddy kit spools quicker and hits full boost instantly and the AGP is a little lagger but the turbo size makes up the difference in a matter of seconds. I also believe the AJP kit comes with 550 injectors compared to the Greddy's 370cc injectors. And what Blue committed above is also a true statement. __________________ Monster Dyno Run on HGH

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05-13-2008, 05:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
ItsMeRicky07 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 281 iTrader: 4 / 100%	depends on driver, conditions and what boost he ran. They run 4psi i think which produces about 300whp, a little more than a good greddy kit and we all know comptech super charger will have a little less power but it will have the power ALL over the power band

05-13-2008, 06:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
anavrin351 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Seattle Age: 23 Posts: 1,999 Tyler iTrader: 3 / 100%	^^i am in the same boat. I dont know why a civic with near 400 hp isnt running in the 12s with ease. or faster for that matter.

05-13-2008, 06:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
ru2slow? Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: CT... all day Posts: 119 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Its all about traction folks. FWD 1/4 miles times are far from representative of how fast a car actually is. Ive seen a 300whp FWD DSM run a 13.5 with a 110 trap. Pay more attention to trap speeds than actual times if you're looking for a gauge of how fast a FWD car is. If you do the math you'll realize that a 110 trap speed with a lower 60 ft will net you well into the 12s. The easiest part is making the horsepower numbers. The hardest part is finding traction and keeping it once you have the power.

05-13-2008, 07:18 PM	#6 (permalink)
blueroadster Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 3,568 iTrader: 7 / 100%	Basically the AJP turbo kit puts a lot more power to the ground because it uses a larger turbo and has a tubular based manifold vice smaller turbo and log style manifold used in the Greddy turbo kit. The AJP kit also requires more than just the turbo kit by itself in order to produce the numbers advertised (you also need the fuel return kit, Hondata based reflash, and full 3" exhaust...each of which is an additional cost).

05-14-2008, 08:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
darkrom Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,676 Matt iTrader: 1 / 100%	Where can I buy the AJP kit? I was on their site and couldn't seem to find it...

05-14-2008, 06:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
ItsMeRicky07 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 281 iTrader: 4 / 100%	yea i heard over 280whp on FWD is kinda pointless.... from a stand still. Like once your in the 50mph then drop a few gears that power is there but from a stand still the power is just throwing gravel...... aint gonna stop me from getting 500whp XD but yea most of it wont EVER be used.

05-14-2008, 07:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
anavrin351 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Seattle Age: 23 Posts: 1,999 Tyler iTrader: 3 / 100%	whats traps? if its the speed at the end, i know a guy who runs in the 12s, but his mph is only like 95. i remember it was rely close to an SI speed. His car is torquey and doesnt have any top end.