RedShift Turbo Kit

[07CivicMD]

I have a kit but won't detract from this thread!!!

[ryanmcm83]

I specced out a greddy kit with HKS BOV, header wrap, electronic boost controller, and A/F gauges with cheapo pod.

kit - 3200
header wrap - 50
elec boost controller - 350
bov - 250
A/F gauge - 280
gauge pod with misc gauges - 250
tune - 500

all of these figures are way conservative and especially for a boost controller and a tune you could spend a lot more.

That right there is $4880. The redshift kit will come with a bigger and better turbo, water cooling for the turbo, e boost controller standard, a better off the shelf tuning solution than what greddy offers (900 bucks for a AEM FIC with harness alone if they don't do Hondata, but Hondata would be sweet since they do quality tunes), and especially probably the best manifold and downpipe you can buy for our cars.

I'm not saying 7gs is not a lot to spend on a car that might be fast enough for some, but if you're like me and are saving your pennies to get a quality solution that will provide plenty of potential power and yet do it with off the shelf reliability, including a good tune designed for stock internals, I wouldn't go with anything else, other than speccing out the part custom and spending a whole lot more!

Plus, the Redshift guys troll this forum all the time and help ppl out with their questions for free, so you know you'll get good support when you give them money as well! lol...

[RedShiftChris]

The manifold alone is worth it. Hytech turbo manifolds when he does them custom are $1500 and the downpipe is $400 or so. And quality lines and fittings, tuning.... it goes on and on.

So, yeah the $7k price tag is high, but anyone who has ever built a good setup knows how much this stuff really costs. You'd be surprised how little we profit off of something like this too.

Most manufacturers retail at 2x the cost, and we aren't anywhere close to that. Try a 15% markeup maybe. It's just enough to do it.

Chris

[jpjr0322]

i agree with everything you said, the kit looks amazing and if i had the money i'd get one.... but 1/3 the cost of your car? just for the kit, not adding install and tune? your look at close to 8200 to boost with this kit after all is said and done.

Don't get me wrong redshift makes great stuff and i can't wait to see some people with their SC/Turbo set ups but $7000? The HKS upgrade for EVO IV's is only 5000 (1/7 the cost of the car new), and its a full system upgrade.

Now i understand that the materials, manpower, and R&D in creating a complete bolt on kit is factored into the cost, and I also understand that because our application is lacking for a turbo solution, the development of a soild kit like this one also weighs in on the supply and demand aspect of business allowing for a greater cost.

but heres my question, why not make it more affordable? price it around 4.5k and make profit in the quanuantity of kits sold? i mean i'm sure 99% of the people on here would agree, with redshifts rep of great products and the over all demand for boost for our cars, more people would be inclined to pay around 4500 dollars (1/5 the cost of a civic) for this set up.

unless there is some ridiculous expendature i can't figure out, i don't see why this isn't possible.

[ryanmcm83]

Cuz this is the kit for those who don't want a cheap kit that they are gonna worry is reliable or will end up upgrading in the future. If you're already going to spend 5k on a turbo kit, best to save the extra 2k for a hands down awesome setup and platform for future tuning and mega power output.
Some of us don't see this car as a cheap dd car but as a good platform for a project car for track runs. I love Hondas and am glad that so many good vendors are dedicated to making these cars better. You simply gotta pay to play, just with any sport. Any hobby involving cars, motorcycles, atvs, boats, etc. cost a buttload so you gotta prioritize. If you wanna see overpriced hardware, go buy a new boat lol

BTW the parts alone cost Redshift more than 4.5k. They are fabbed by high skilled workers, not mass produced kids in third world countries.

[RedShiftChris]

Originally Posted by jpjr0322

i agree with everything you said, the kit looks amazing and if i had the money i'd get one.... but 1/3 the cost of your car? just for the kit, not adding install and tune? your look at close to 8200 to boost with this kit after all is said and done.

Don't get me wrong redshift makes great stuff and i can't wait to see some people with their SC/Turbo set ups but $7000? The HKS upgrade for EVO IV's is only 5000 (1/7 the cost of the car new), and its a full system upgrade.

Now i understand that the materials, manpower, and R&D in creating a complete bolt on kit is factored into the cost, and I also understand that because our application is lacking for a turbo solution, the development of a soild kit like this one also weighs in on the supply and demand aspect of business allowing for a greater cost.

but heres my question, why not make it more affordable? price it around 4.5k and make profit in the quanuantity of kits sold? i mean i'm sure 99% of the people on here would agree, with redshifts rep of great products and the over all demand for boost for our cars, more people would be inclined to pay around 4500 dollars (1/5 the cost of a civic) for this set up.

unless there is some ridiculous expendature i can't figure out, i don't see why this isn't possible.

The reason we have priced it like this is because we are giving you what you should buy rather than what you can afford. The parts alone in the kit would cost you almost $6000 and we are not doing it for free.

If you don't want the fuel return kit or the electronic boost controller, we can pull it down closer to $6k. If you don't want the worlds best manifold and are ok with a cheaper manifold then you are down to $4500.

We made a decision very early on that our turbo system would be the best on the market, without using gold leaf on the intercooler. And btw, I'm familiar with those HKS kits, and they don't usually offer nearly what we are offering... it's going on an already turbo'd car you know.

Also, we have some really great products coming in the $5000 range that will make great power too. Nothing is by accident.

Chris

[jpjr0322]

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

The reason we have priced it like this is because we are giving you what you should buy rather than what you can afford. The parts alone in the kit would cost you almost $6000 and we are not doing it for free.

If you don't want the fuel return kit or the electronic boost controller, we can pull it down closer to $6k. If you don't want the worlds best manifold and are ok with a cheaper manifold then you are down to $4500.

We made a decision very early on that our turbo system would be the best on the market, without using gold leaf on the intercooler. And btw, I'm familiar with those HKS kits, and they don't usually offer nearly what we are offering... it's going on an already turbo'd car you know.

Also, we have some really great products coming in the $5000 range that will make great power too. Nothing is by accident.

Chris

I'm not doubting that this kit will be the best on the market for our si's, and of course i would want the best of everything for my own car. my question was simple based on an observation i made of other kits for various other applications and their percentage cost to a new car they were built for. this is why you guys are in charge of creating these set ups and not me, clearly i don't know enough about what goes into fab'ing a whole set up (which is something id love to learn). and what kind of consumer would i be if i just blindly followed sticker prices without asking why it costs that much and seeing if it couldn't cost anyless. just prudent shopping, guess i'll have to take out a loan when the time comes... which i'm really looking forward too.

also Chris, would getting this kit (or any of the SC setups) installed at redshift save an change?? i'm down in philly and could be up to Dallas to get it all put in, plus i'd feel better having the people that built them install it? (if you would fell better not broadcasting your answer on the thread pming me is cool too) Thanks alot

[I Vtec, do you?]

People really gotta stop knocking redshift prices. These guys KNOW their stuff. The saying 'Cheap costs twice as much" applies so well to this. Look at all the problems people have with the $3300ish greddy kit. I'd gladly spend twice that and have a kit that's reliable, makes good power, doesn't have all these ****** up stalling and tuning issues, etc etc.

Just like with lowering springs. You can spend $200 on a set of springs to lower your car, mess up the handling, etc, or you can spend triple that, buy the HFP, lower your car a little and considerably improve the handling. In the end, it's worth it just to pay more up front and avoid the headaches, extra money you'll have to spend to get stuff working, etc etc. My parents always bought the top of the line stuff, even when they had little money, and 25 years later we still have a lot of the same electronics and whatnot that perform perfectly, at levels above even modern day stuff.

[jpjr0322]

Originally Posted by I Vtec, do you?

People really gotta stop knocking redshift prices. These guys KNOW their stuff. The saying 'Cheap costs twice as much" applies so well to this. Look at all the problems people have with the $3300ish greddy kit. I'd gladly spend twice that and have a kit that's reliable, makes good power, doesn't have all these ****** up stalling and tuning issues, etc etc.

i'm not knocking the price was just curious, i made some observations and ask a few question and made a few generlaized statements. as i said its prudent shopping.

[I Vtec, do you?]

^^ I wasn't aiming that at you, just people in general who keep bringing up the price

[hockeymutt]

redshift quaility is awesome....from what i'v read..... and there customer support is awesome.... i'm just waiting for there supercharger to come out for the si.....

[ReDHatchyGuy]

Originally Posted by hockeymutt

redshift quaility is awesome....from what i'v read..... and there customer support is awesome.... i'm just waiting for there supercharger to come out for the si.....

yea they give alot of great R&D info

[20strong]

I think that the price of the kit is fine, it will reflect in the qaulity without a doubt.

[prizm5063]

Has there been an official date yet for release of either this system or the SC?

[RedShiftChris]

No, nothing yet. We are still trying to get prototypes done. It's a few months off.
Chris

[02SilverSiHB]

hey Chris...didn't you guys use to be a hondata dealer?

[RedShiftChris]

yep, still are. :)
Chris

[02SilverSiHB]

ah, didn't see you guys listed on hondata's site...I remember going through you guys for a kpro a long time ago when I had the ep3

[fiji-blew]

Originally Posted by jpjr0322

i'm not knocking the price was just curious, i made some observations and ask a few question and made a few generlaized statements. as i said its prudent shopping.

i think i saw your car @ the manayunk diner/movie theater parking lot...clean

[2fast4u2]

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

No, nothing yet. We are still trying to get prototypes done. It's a few months off.
Chris

What?!?

Originally Posted by Seemund

Can you guarantee the Stage 2 will be ready in 2008?
I mean.. 100% sure

Originally Posted by Highrev1

Yes!!!!

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

Absolutely will be 2008. Absolutely 100%. It'll be done late May I think.
Chris