JSRC Roots Style

[liquidr1]

Originally Posted by vtecmike1

actually according to the moss site

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New 440cc RC Injectors
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New Hoses, & Serpentine Belt
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New Belt Tensioner
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Boosts approximately 6-7 psi at sea level

so were talking same horse power maybe slightly more with 2-3 more psi then the comptech unit.

comptech at 6-7 psi would be far superior. /end thread.

^which has already been proven by Complex. 271 whp / 181 tq

COMplex's Stage X Superchargery Thread

[Highrev1]

This is a silly conversation guys! Look its not about PSI cause you can get a higher psi with more backpressure, or by adjusting cam angles for "blow by"


Their basically the same KIT!!! Tune and supporting mods are the only two factors that come into play.

[FatSacSi]

I guess I missed out while I was at work.

[chugiboi]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

This is a silly conversation guys! Look its not about PSI cause you can get a higher psi with more backpressure, or by adjusting cam angles for "blow by"


Their basically the same KIT!!! Tune and supporting mods are the only two factors that come into play.

exactly, they're both the same, but the JRSC cames with more parts, like bigger fuel injectors.

So i'm just trying to say that the JRSC make more gain right out of the box than the CT SC, but then the other start denying the fact.

[Will06SI]

Why would you buy a SC you when you have to mod components in your engine to make it fit looks like lack luster design to me Comptech ftw for now lol.

[TeamValorRacing]

Originally Posted by chugiboi

funny part is you actually proven that the JRSC make more gain than the CT SC.

there is nothing funny about it bro.

READ THE GRAPHS.
jr=226
ct=227
how is the jackson kit making mor power out of the damn box?? its not! get over it!

[michinsi]

LOL. Both s/c work the same way and it produces the same amount. Lets leave it at that, and call it a day....

[FatSacSi]

I don't understand the confusion. Both the same blowers. JRSC KIT comes a little more tweeked than CT KIT. JRSC comes from the supplier capable of more hp than CT purely on the kit not the blower itself

[chugiboi]

Originally Posted by TeamValorRacing

there is nothing funny about it bro.

READ THE GRAPHS.
jr=226
ct=227
how is the jackson kit making mor power out of the damn box?? its not! get over it!

what? are you stupid? the CT was dynoed with a Si that begin with 183whp and the JRSC was dynoed in a Si that begin with 171whp. are you not see it?

So what happen if they both dynoed on a SI with the same whp? the JRSC will be more.

Since you're so blind i'll point the arrow for you.

it's 226whp because it dynoed with a SI starting at 171whp
and the largest gain is 63whp.


it's 227whp because it dynoed with a SI starting at 183whp
and the largest gain is only 45whp.


so you see what i'm saying? because if they both were to dynoe with the same SI starting with 183whp, the JRSC one will be at 238whp compare to the CT one which is only 226whp.

next time read the number carefully first beside just looking for the result number, that's how you fail.
just leave at that. JRSC give a better gain right out of the box than CT.

[allmtrb18beg8]

I'm not getting into this argument because I'm not going with either one of these kits. Anyhow, I did notice on the Moss Motors site, they said they're dyno numbers came from a Mustang Dyno, which is known to read alot lower than any other dyno. You don't know what kind of dyno the Comptech kit was run on. So my point being, that's one thing that's not being taken into consideration either, the dyno's that were used. I would be willing to bet that the dyno graphs posted earlier are from two totally different cars, two totally different locations, and two totally different dynos. The only way to really tell which kit makes more power would be to take both kits, with one car, to one dyno. I still prefer a high compression, big cam, ported NA engine myself, dang I'm ready to have this car paid for and some sort of PROVEN tuning.

Sorry, I'm normally a lurker and I know this is off topic, but all this talk about "tuning" coming out, we haven't seen anything work YET. The Haltech kit can work, Motec can work, AEM is supposed to work, Hydra "has" something coming out, Hondata "has" something coming out, bla bla bla. Anyhow, my guess is all of you talking "I'm ready for tuning" will not ever go FI or break into the motor. You may go the bolt on route and if that's it, great, but you don't NEED a full tuning solution. Get the reflash or leave the MAF alone and let it do it's job and call it a day. I just had to get that off my chest...Thanks

-Chris

[nbilyue]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

This is a silly conversation guys! Look its not about PSI cause you can get a higher psi with more backpressure, or by adjusting cam angles for "blow by"


Their basically the same KIT!!! Tune and supporting mods are the only two factors that come into play.

During your testing for your kit didn't you find that the CT manifold was better than the JRSC manifold during flow test and IAT tests?

[chugiboi]

Originally Posted by allmtrb18beg8

I'm not getting into this argument because I'm not going with either one of these kits. Anyhow, I did notice on the Moss Motors site, they said they're dyno numbers came from a Mustang Dyno, which is known to read alot lower than any other dyno. You don't know what kind of dyno the Comptech kit was run on. So my point being, that's one thing that's not being taken into consideration either, the dyno's that were used. I would be willing to bet that the dyno graphs posted earlier are from two totally different cars, two totally different locations, and two totally different dynos. The only way to really tell which kit makes more power would be to take both kits, with one car, to one dyno. I still prefer a high compression, big cam, ported NA engine myself, dang I'm ready to have this car paid for and some sort of PROVEN tuning.

Sorry, I'm normally a lurker and I know this is off topic, but all this talk about "tuning" coming out, we haven't seen anything work YET. The Haltech kit can work, Motec can work, AEM is supposed to work, Hydra "has" something coming out, Hondata "has" something coming out, bla bla bla. Anyhow, my guess is all of you talking "I'm ready for tuning" will not ever go FI or break into the motor. You may go the bolt on route and if that's it, great, but you don't NEED a full tuning solution. Get the reflash or leave the MAF alone and let it do it's job and call it a day. I just had to get that off my chest...Thanks

-Chris

on the two chart i just posted, the JRSC was dynoed on the Mustang dyno, that's why the SI is 171whp stock, it even said that on the Moss site.

but on the CTSC, it was not on the Mustang dynoed so that's why the SI was 183whp stock.

[eXe]

Looking forward to how the JR turns out, let us know

[1abSi]

to change the theme of this thread..... I am stocked to see someone who is going to be fully describing the install and giving us dyno's and whatnot at a time when two kits are out. Congrats to you for going against the grain and not necessarily taking the easy way out!

[LiL Sang]

I believe JRSC makes a slight more horsepower than the CTSC... doesn't the JRSC (basic setup) push around 6-7 psi and CTSC pushes around 4-5psi??? Plus, JRSC isn't Carb Legal while CTSC is...

[1abSi]

there is no linear relationship to pounds of boost and hp.....

[LiL Sang]

^what do you mean??? I thought with a smaller pulley (for s/c) leads to little more boost, thus more hp.....

[TeamValorRacing]

chugiboi- you are so dense it isnt even funny.

SCHOOL IS IN SESSION SO EVERYONE GATHER 'ROUND

you are looking at the point in which the charger made its LARGEST GAIN SOMEWHERE IN THE POWERBAND!
yes, at some point, ex:from 100 to 163 lets say, it gained 63, but did it stop there at 163??? no, its MAXIMUM OUTPUT was 227 regardless of what smaller numbers it pushed out to get to that point.

when understanding a dyno graph for maximum hp, you look at the highest point on the line, and for the jr it was 226 and for the comptech it was 227.

both si's made the same power, but the jr car was stopped at 7600 or whatever for comparisons sake when thwey put the jr kit on. it would have made the same 183 but it was limited by its revs since the jr kit was limited there as well.

if they showed the full graph comparison, it would look rather odd to have the oem line passing the jr line!

point is! - the highest output the jr kit made out of the box on the si was a lower number than the comptech kit. PERIOD.

[chugiboi]

Originally Posted by TeamValorRacing

chugiboi- you are so dense it isnt even funny.

SCHOOL IS IN SESSION SO EVERYONE GATHER 'ROUND

you are looking at the point in which the charger made its LARGEST GAIN SOMEWHERE IN THE POWERBAND!
yes, at some point, ex:from 100 to 163 lets say, it gained 63, but did it stop there at 163??? no, its MAXIMUM OUTPUT was 227 regardless of what smaller numbers it pushed out to get to that point.

when understanding a dyno graph for maximum hp, you look at the highest point on the line, and for the jr it was 226 and for the comptech it was 227.

both si's made the same power, but the jr car was stopped at 7600 or whatever for comparisons sake when thwey put the jr kit on. it would have made the same 183 but it was limited by its revs since the jr kit was limited there as well.

if they showed the full graph comparison, it would look rather odd to have the oem line passing the jr line!

point is! - the highest output the jr kit made out of the box on the si was a lower number than the comptech kit. PERIOD.

TeamValorRacing, you know nothing.

that JRSC was dynoed on a mustang dyno, while the CT SC was not. so that why you see a higher number on the CT SC chart.

it said 227whp on the CT SC dyno chart but technically is only about 215whp on the mustang dyno chart and the JRSC made 226whp.

so just quit making a fool out of yourself, you're not even close to being correct so just leave at that.

[1abSi]

Originally Posted by LiL Sang

^what do you mean??? I thought with a smaller pulley (for s/c) leads to little more boost, thus more hp.....

sorry i should have clarified a little better. when comparing the two kits, just because one is running higher boost levels it does NOT reflect higher hp numbers. i believe it was also stated somewhere earlier in this thread that you can increase backpressure (smaller diameter exhaust) which will net higher boost levels with that same or most likely less hp. how you phrased your second question, yes you could wind up with more hp as you are not comparing two systems and not upgrading..... hope that helps