Turbo Project

HondaFREAK · 01-11-2008, 11:58 PM

Alright folks, there come the n00b questions..but first a little background..my friend has a '98 Honda Civic LX, and is looking to start a turbo project. However, since the 98 LX doesn't come with Vtec I know a new ECU is an order...as well as new cams and such.

1)How much would he need to spend, and what parts would be necessary to run 18psi?

2)How much power/torque can he reasonably expect to see?

3)Will a new ECU/reflash be needed.

Thanks again!

BTW: it's a 5spd

Slow_si · 01-12-2008, 12:07 PM

18 PSI is a monstrous amount of boost. You're probably looking at an engine rebuild.

***GalaxyGreySi*** · 01-12-2008, 12:10 PM

The '98 civic LX is equipped with the D16Y8 motor, correct? Are you planning on building THAT motor, or doing a swap? A swap would net you a lot better results. Whats the plan?

realxlai · 01-12-2008, 12:53 PM

yes that d16 is not worthy of a turbo...

HondaFREAK · 01-12-2008, 01:52 PM

yeah It a D16...hmmm, just looking to see what we can get out of it..but thanks for the info

18psi does sound like a heck of a lot, we'd probably settle for 8psi

Asif22 · 01-13-2008, 04:45 PM

For the price you would spend turboing that thing you can buy a better motor like a b16 or b18. But if you want to do it to see what you can extract out of it by all means go for it!

realxlai · 01-13-2008, 04:47 PM

yea.. anything but d series lol. go for like an h22 or any b series motor.

kenny rogers · 01-13-2008, 05:01 PM

Homemadeturbo.com - great ideas for cheap turbo projects, they're tough on noob questions like this, so don't ask them there.

Turbo D16 • Index page - I've never had a d-series, so you can go there for more research...

By the way, asking "what is needed to run 18 psi" is an ambiguous question.... you should ask what is needed to get 300 whp or something along those lines.

Just to get you started - if you want high numbers out of THAT engine, you'll need to beef up the internals (rods and pistons)... get a set of vitaras, they've been proven to be very cost effective. You'll also need to get some engine management (go to Crome, TurboEdit, Uberdata --- DIY Honda ECU tuning and chipping resources, products write-ups and links. Widebands, Fuel Pumps, Intercoolers, ECU Chipping, Wideband Tuning & more - great site for ECU parts).

Go to those websites, read the FAQ's, sticky's and search, search, search. GL.

***Nathen*** · 01-13-2008, 05:14 PM

k20z3_pwr · 01-13-2008, 05:47 PM

Uhh 18 psi on d16 dream on. Build cost 10k+

***07CivicMD*** · 01-13-2008, 05:56 PM

Get a B-Series 1.8 engine. Lots of parts are available! Good engine. Friend just put 404whp on a B-Series with a 60 trim.

ru2slow? · 01-13-2008, 08:24 PM

This motor is definitely more difficult than most of the other Honda motors to get stout results from, but I definitely wouldn't say that its not turbo worthy as some others have suggested. There are some pretty powerful stock block d-series out there. The power is made alot based on your turbo selection and tune. For that particular motor and chassis you'll find alot better results on this forum:

Honda-Tech.com: Main Forum List

And before the naysayers step up about the d-series take a look at the kind of power potential a stock d really has:

Honda-Tech.com: Forced Induction: Honda-Tech's Highest Horsepower on a Stock Block Thread *OFFICIAL*

...not too shabby if you ask me.

BTW swapping in an H22 to turbo isn't the greatest idea, as these motors have proven difficult to run even low boost levels on safely due to their weak piston rings/landings. Nice turbo setups have been achieved but it's more of a hassle than anything- especially after going through the trouble of sourcing a motor/trans and actually wedging it in.

Slow_si · 01-13-2008, 09:10 PM

^ Good find. +Rep

01-11-2008, 11:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
HondaFREAK Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cary, NC Age: 20 Posts: 843 Mike iTrader: 0 / 0%	Turbo Project Alright folks, there come the n00b questions..but first a little background..my friend has a '98 Honda Civic LX, and is looking to start a turbo project. However, since the 98 LX doesn't come with Vtec I know a new ECU is an order...as well as new cams and such. 1)How much would he need to spend, and what parts would be necessary to run 18psi? 2)How much power/torque can he reasonably expect to see? 3)Will a new ECU/reflash be needed. Thanks again! BTW: it's a 5spd

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01-12-2008, 12:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
Slow_si Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Lake Zurich, IL Age: 20 Posts: 1,298 iTrader: 0 / 0%	18 PSI is a monstrous amount of boost. You're probably looking at an engine rebuild.

01-12-2008, 12:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
realxlai Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Kingstowne, VA Age: 19 Posts: 7,014 iTrader: 14 / 100%	yes that d16 is not worthy of a turbo...

01-12-2008, 01:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
HondaFREAK Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cary, NC Age: 20 Posts: 843 Mike iTrader: 0 / 0%	yeah It a D16...hmmm, just looking to see what we can get out of it..but thanks for the info 18psi does sound like a heck of a lot, we'd probably settle for 8psi

01-13-2008, 04:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
Asif22 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: United States Posts: 2,601 Mohamed El-Mubaslat iTrader: 0 / 0%	For the price you would spend turboing that thing you can buy a better motor like a b16 or b18. But if you want to do it to see what you can extract out of it by all means go for it!

01-13-2008, 04:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
realxlai Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Kingstowne, VA Age: 19 Posts: 7,014 iTrader: 14 / 100%	yea.. anything but d series lol. go for like an h22 or any b series motor.

01-13-2008, 05:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
kenny rogers Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Western Washington Posts: 272 Greg iTrader: 0 / 0%	Homemadeturbo.com - great ideas for cheap turbo projects, they're tough on noob questions like this, so don't ask them there. Turbo D16 • Index page - I've never had a d-series, so you can go there for more research... By the way, asking "what is needed to run 18 psi" is an ambiguous question.... you should ask what is needed to get 300 whp or something along those lines. Just to get you started - if you want high numbers out of THAT engine, you'll need to beef up the internals (rods and pistons)... get a set of vitaras, they've been proven to be very cost effective. You'll also need to get some engine management (go to Crome, TurboEdit, Uberdata --- DIY Honda ECU tuning and chipping resources, products write-ups and links. Widebands, Fuel Pumps, Intercoolers, ECU Chipping, Wideband Tuning & more - great site for ECU parts). Go to those websites, read the FAQ's, sticky's and search, search, search. GL.

01-13-2008, 05:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
k20z3_pwr Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 319 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Uhh 18 psi on d16 dream on. Build cost 10k+

01-13-2008, 05:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
*07CivicMD* VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Odenton Age: 38 Posts: 1,581 Roger iTrader: 4 / 100%	Get a B-Series 1.8 engine. Lots of parts are available! Good engine. Friend just put 404whp on a B-Series with a 60 trim.

01-13-2008, 08:24 PM	#12 (permalink)
ru2slow? Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: CT... all day Posts: 122 iTrader: 0 / 0%	This motor is definitely more difficult than most of the other Honda motors to get stout results from, but I definitely wouldn't say that its not turbo worthy as some others have suggested. There are some pretty powerful stock block d-series out there. The power is made alot based on your turbo selection and tune. For that particular motor and chassis you'll find alot better results on this forum: Honda-Tech.com: Main Forum List And before the naysayers step up about the d-series take a look at the kind of power potential a stock d really has: Honda-Tech.com: Forced Induction: Honda-Tech's Highest Horsepower on a Stock Block Thread OFFICIAL ...not too shabby if you ask me. BTW swapping in an H22 to turbo isn't the greatest idea, as these motors have proven difficult to run even low boost levels on safely due to their weak piston rings/landings. Nice turbo setups have been achieved but it's more of a hassle than anything- especially after going through the trouble of sourcing a motor/trans and actually wedging it in.

01-13-2008, 09:10 PM	#13 (permalink)
Slow_si Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Lake Zurich, IL Age: 20 Posts: 1,298 iTrader: 0 / 0%	^ Good find. +Rep