Something you should consider before going AJP: A true story about liars

[Street2uned]

I believe the AJP kit is a bolt-on....b/c you don't have to modify anything. Is it as easy as bolting on a cat-back or CAI? No, but come on.

I took mine down to them b/c I wanted it done right and didn't want to sit in my garage yelling at bolt's and trying to fit my hands in places that some midgets can't get to.

If Greddy was within a few hundred miles of my place, and I decided to go with them, I'd take it to them for the install.

More of a peace-of-mind thing with me.


Hey Tony...you guys seem to have a lot of fun trying to get a decent R18 owner for your prototype kit huh? LOL, in due time guys. Keep up the good work. There are plenty of us that have seen the results first hand, but obviously most people don't post up how awesome the phone conversation was when they called or how happy they are about this and that.

[firmhonda]

My question is this.. How many members have purchased this kit and had it installed anywhere other than ajp and still yielded the same hp/tq results? I mean, I've only spoken with 2 ajp owners in person and 1 didn't get anywhere close to the advertised results and the other one hasn't dyno'd yet but says that there's no way it's 376 to the wheels. I'm not trying to start shit here or anything, I just thought I would take this time to ask.

To add to this, esx005 still hasn't even turned on his boost controller so he's still going with the wastegate to regulate boost, so there's no reason for him to yield those results right now.

[Street2uned]

Laying down those numbers is based on the conditions that are present when the runs are made too. Plus, if the tuner is any good. You need a good tuner to make sure that the A/F ratio is where it's supposed to be. Granted, we all have the same car, but not every car is gonna produce the same numbers with the same kit. Same thing happens with the Greddy kits...

[zionrug]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

My question is this.. How many members have purchased this kit and had it installed anywhere other than ajp and still yielded the same hp/tq results? I mean, I've only spoken with 2 ajp owners in person and 1 didn't get anywhere close to the advertised results and the other one hasn't dyno'd yet but says that there's no way it's 376 to the wheels. I'm not trying to start shit here or anything, I just thought I would take this time to ask.

To add to this, esx005 still hasn't even turned on his boost controller so he's still going with the wastegate to regulate boost, so there's no reason for him to yield those results right now.

I have a few calls out and I'm waiting to schedule some dyno time. I'll post up as soon I get my results.

[JeShUa]

Originally Posted by F.I.A.T

you offered to help us in the design process for a discounted price. after you backed out of an agreement you wish to hold us liable for your lost time. any decision you made was completely on yo part. the kit has alway been a unrefined unit. this is the whole reason you were never charged full retail. it was asked to be shipped to california for one reason and one reason only. Hondata wanted the test vehicle local. this provided you a benefit but thus created some issues as far as modifying the kit instantly. you were refunded all the money you spent with us completely. we didnt even charge any such restocking fees. after listening to the facts get distorted its pretty simply to see whats going on here. our final decision was made to webby over 2 weeks ago when he called the shop. wether or not he agreed isnt the real issue. we seriously would have tried to help you if you had continued with the installation but the fact is you decided not to not us. we also were able to get your vehicle done in time since your tuning session with Hondata was not until the middle of the following week and you were not going to be allowed to take your vehicle based on the fact you probably would have damaged it with some reckless action. the tuning would also have been included in the deal for not extra charge. beyond what you are aslking for you removed your vehicle from the shop. we didnt remove you o2 sensor so we will not replace nor pay for the replacement of it. i pull o2 sensors our of cars on a daily basis for tuning on the dyno and i manage to not strip them and this on much older sensors that the one in your car. either way posting in the forum in my eyes is a simple attempt at publically bullying us into giving you money you never gave to us. its an added expense that you incurred that you were well aware you might run into. you didnt complete the transaction you reverted to stock form in my honest opinion its more like you had buyers remorse or needed your money for personal reasons which is quite common in the retail world. i would ask whomever removed and damage your o2 sensor for that money and maybe if you considered calling us instead to publically tyrading on the internet to come to a valid solution on your 450.00 in fees you might actually get somewhere. asking us to pay for your labor to put you car back to stock verses asking us to pay for labor to complete your installation are two different sides of the fence.

Okay first off.. how was I supposed to know that the kit wouldn't fit? You guys told me that all you needed to do was put the kit on, and then tune it. It would be a week's time in and out no problems. Being far from the truth, when the shop got the kit and tried to install the kit they ran into numerous problems (and if you say that there weren't that many problems, how come it took you like 4 months to fix these?)

How could you guys charge me a restocking fee? You need the kit there for the next dumb ass to try to put it on their car for you. PLUS, I never received the entire kit regardless of what anyone in California knew. I'm gonna sell you a tree, with no roots. Sure it looks like a tree, but it will die in due time.
When I called the shop to check the fees before I took my car down, and then called you guys (Ben) and you told me that you would cover all other fees on top of what I was quoted, I expect you to stand by what you told me. But when I call back when my car is actually down there and I talk to Tony, and you tell me that you wont cover those fees, thats bullshit and terrible business.

I don't know how you can say that I needed that money for something else, because I don't. Sure I'm gonna have fun with it, but I didn't need it for college fees or anything. I'm really astounded that you're slandering me, when I'm just using facts against you guys and you're supposed to be a business and bringing up irrelevant things. You also go on to say that I would have probably done something reckless with my car... how old are you?

And I know I'm most likely going to have to sue you guys for the money back, I'm just warning potential customers that they should highly consider another route, because AJP has terrible business practice. PLEASE address everything I have stated, or just ignore it and let it stand. Your choice.

[JeShUa]

Originally Posted by F.I.A.T

im pretty sure you have done all your research as well. we know what it can take. the original kit has been running for 8 months now under local supervision. you wanted an intake manifold because you were told it would take 5 psi by someone who has never even turbocharged this motor where does that leave you.

Who has never turbocharged their motor? What are you talking about :x?
Okay.. so it can take 5psi... how much more? Hey.. lets test out JeShUa's car, and see how long it lasts him before it balloons.

[JeShUa]

Originally Posted by zionrug

Hmm,

I didn't know Philadelphia was in South Florida. Thanks for the geography lesson. I bought my AJP kit used from a member here on the 8th and AJP was very willing to help. When I bugged the crap out of them for 2 weeks straight, they never got irritated with me.

People are complaining that the kit isn't fully bolt-on like the Greddy Kit. Well, I didn't mind having a few charge pipes fabbed up. I didn't have to trash my front bumper support to install the IC and jeopordize my safety.

Even if the kit would've cost you 7k$, you wouldn't mind paying for another pipe? Its like buying a new car and having the dealership install a new windshield because the previous one was very dim.

[sickyute]

it's a "prototype" ...
i was in your shoes ... i was actually worst off than you ...
though i got everything for free ... i still ended up shelling out a bunch of money on car rentals etc so it still wasn't for free ...
there were times i had to get my car back say on the 1st of august and didn't get it back till the 1st of september or whatever and it was one delay after the next and it just kept on going that way for a while ...

and as i said before even when i finally got the car back and kinda running of the afc neo it still wasn't done yet ... then had to wait even longer for tuning and had to take the car back every now and then for checks etc ...

all part of being the one to prototype ...

u were better off than me cuz right off the bat u'd have gotten a proper tune after fitment issues were out the way (which won't have been long) ...

i guess i just have more patience than you ... but prototyping something isn't usually easy ...

i guess if everything was ironed out before anything started it would have been a lot more understandable on ur end ...

PS: i went months without my car ... then another couple without it being in what TO ME is acceptible condition ... etc etc ... but when it was all said and done

[JeShUa]

Its different when theres a setback and when they blatantly lie to you. I wont trust them anymore because they said they would cover fees but wanted to change their mind on that? They withdrew more money than they were allowed. They gave me a shipping number and told me it would be there a week from that date, and then LIED AGAIN to cover that lie saying that UPS lost the package? Who in their right mind would put on a kit by a company that lies to them? Sorry if I'm not that stupid.

[7AndrewPD]

My problem is that Jeshua is doing ajp a favor. He's letting them use his car to test their kit, they could just go buy a car of their own, but it would cost them more money. Yes jeshua is getting something in return, but not as much as he's putting in, so in my opinion ajp should cover all charges. I'm just voicing my opinion.

[JeShUa]

I went way out of my way for them. I drove 4 hours to the shop, then took a bus/train home. BOTH times I took my car down there, my car was there OVER a week and Doug never touched it. They told me the first time it would be a week tuned and everything. :x. They told me initially that I would be able to drop it off on a Monday and pick it up on a Friday if possible... which was far from possible for me. I left it there Tuesday-Thursday the first time, and Friday - the Tuesday a week and a half later. They wanted to keep my car another week to send out the part that they should have sent out 3 weeks prior. Whoops.. we forgot to tell you guys.

[sickyute]

Originally Posted by JeShUa

Its different when theres a setback and when they blatantly lie to you. I wont trust them anymore because they said they would cover fees but wanted to change their mind on that? They withdrew more money than they were allowed. They gave me a shipping number and told me it would be there a week from that date, and then LIED AGAIN to cover that lie saying that UPS lost the package? Who in their right mind would put on a kit by a company that lies to them? Sorry if I'm not that stupid.

i see ur point
was just saying ..

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by JeShUa

Its different when theres a setback and when they blatantly lie to you. I wont trust them anymore because they said they would cover fees but wanted to change their mind on that? They withdrew more money than they were allowed. They gave me a shipping number and told me it would be there a week from that date, and then LIED AGAIN to cover that lie saying that UPS lost the package? Who in their right mind would put on a kit by a company that lies to them? Sorry if I'm not that stupid.

I agree.

[JeShUa]

Originally Posted by sickyute

i see ur point
was just saying ..

I see your point as well. But theres a HUGE difference. I would call them every time they told me to call them for a progress report. I was called once at the most to say "Hey this is whats going on." Once. The second time I received a call from them was when Ron gave me a refund verification #. I always gave them the benefit of a doubt, because they needed me to put the kit into production... like the time they're taking to produce a kit is only costing them money... but they went about it all wrong.

[Kurt]

:hug:

[si_civic]

We need an impartial third party to mediate this situation, otherwise this will blow up in no time.

[Street2uned]

Jeshua, you aren't the first AJP boosted R18...they've had another one boosted for quite some time now. And Tony stated that it has been under supervision locally. You were simply closer to Hondata, so it would have helped them. They wouldn't have to fly Doug out and pay for his hotel, rental, etc.

I understand that you are upset about all of this and you have a right to be, but don't think for one second that they NEED you. R18's are everywhere, you just happened to have a better location. I have mixed emotions towards this whole ordeal, but you gotta look at this from a few different angles yourself bro.

They aren't strickly a performance shop. They don't sit around building boosted cars all day and playing on the dyno. They also have a very large number of local customers that need normal repairs and maintenance done, like tire rotations, inspections, oil changes, etc.

AJP doesn't see you as the key to their chances at being a fortune 500 company. You are just one of the customers, like many of us, that has to be taken care of in a different fashion. I had to wait til after their business hours to have my kit installed. We stayed up til midnight on 3 different nights. Marvie and a few others have seen this as well.

I called them weeks ago with a few questions, but they were busy and told me they'd call me back. They still haven't, but I know they are busy and that just b/c I bought a turbo kit from them, doesn't give me head of the line privileges with everything.

Just venting....try to look at it from every angle, I'm sure it's difficult. Good luck.

[HONDACARE]

Originally Posted by Street2uned

I called them weeks ago with a few questions, but they were busy and told me they'd call me back. They still haven't, but I know they are busy and that just b/c I bought a turbo kit from them, doesn't give me head of the line privileges with everything.

spending several thousand dollars does entitle you to a timely call back, shit spending 20 does. It's called customer service

[firmhonda]

^I like this guy, he's good people.

[Street2uned]

We'll agree to disagree...how bout that?