Something you should consider before going AJP: A true story about liars

[sgtpruitt]

Im impressed at how well the site staff handled this situation. +1 to all the mods.

[DetachmentBravo]

Originally Posted by JeShUa

I wouldn't put a kit made by them on my car unless you could tell me that if anything went wrong they'd replace it. They have like 0 research done. They don't even know how much pressure the IM can take.

This was, and continues to be my major concern with AJP and their products. Around the time that I first posted my K20Z3 Turbocharger Analysis, I also began raising concerns in the various "AJP DYNO RECORD!!!!!11!" threads that such high levels of boost were being applied to a stock block with stock rods, pistons, and most worrisome of all, the stock compression ratio of 11.1:1.

My concerns were answered by the AJP staff posters almost flippantly, claiming that I was uninformed and unaware of the "advanced tuning" that was being used on their kits. I won't go over every detail of the argument, my point is that it is these responses by AJP that show a complete disregard for product research, testing and quality.

Most disturbingly, their responses show a profound lack of consideration for the safety of their customers. The first thing I was taught when I started work at a service station was that even a single mistake while working on an automobile could cost someone their life. Something as simple as not properly tightening an oil cap, or not fully locking down a hood can can cause an accident. When you are talking about extreme engine modification such as forced induction, the margin for error is even less.

I am not trying to frightening anyone, nor am I overstating the issue. The automotive industry is uniquely burdened by the unacceptably high cost of failure. Every five minutes a person dies in the United States due to an automobile accident. That is 40,000 people a year, the number report by the DOT (Department Of Transportation).

[Dwn4nythng]

Originally Posted by sickyute

good-bye to bad garbage ...

that's some of the worst shit i've ever seen on a forum just short of the guy who stole thousands from members of a viper forum.

don't even know how yall (AJP) ended up in this situation ... but if i was a customer or potential customer, after reading this, you won't even change my oil ... This is the lowest a company can ever go! (this thread and snowbird ) ... snowbird my ass ... Lauderhill, florida would see snow before AJP makes things right with what they just tried to pull off ...

seeing as yall do have a 4 wheel dyno ... i'd come dyno my 4 wheeler for shits and giggles ... but please don't strip my o2 ...

integrity???

Didn't you back these guys up before they even came out with the turbo kit?
Didn't you praise about how good these guys were?

[JeShUa]

Originally Posted by DetachmentBravo

My concerns were answered by the AJP staff posters almost flippantly, claiming that I was uninformed and unaware of the "advanced tuning" that was being used on their kits. I won't go over every detail of the argument, my point is that it is these responses by AJP that show a complete disregard for product research, testing and quality.

Most disturbingly, their responses show a profound lack of consideration for the safety of their customers. The first thing I was taught when I started work at a service station was that even a single mistake while working on an automobile could cost someone their life. Something as simple as not properly tightening an oil cap, or not fully locking down a hood can can cause an accident. When you are talking about extreme engine modification such as forced induction, the margin for error is even less.

Very true.

[Mr Bigs]

I honestly think people are getting a little ridiculous. The only way to determine the capability of the engine is to push it to its peak until failure. All of that scientific data is useless. Everyone keeps going back and forth with the AJP thing. If you don't want the kit don't buy it plain and simple.

[firmhonda]

Originally Posted by Dwn4nythng

Didn't you back these guys up before they even came out with the turbo kit?
Didn't you praise about how good these guys were?

Yes he did, and so did I. I sat there while people were dogging the hell out of AJP and stood up for them just because they seemed like a diamond in the rough shop that was making an amazing turbo kit. Then I got around an ajp fg2 first hand and I realized that the kit probably could've been refined a bit more before it was released, but you don't bitch about the kit when the results are supposed to be so incredible. But then I started noticing that not that many ajp fg2's were getting the advertised numbers unless they were installed at ajp, and that ajp's customer service began lacking so much that they weren't really helping all that much.

I could bring stories out based on AJP's customer service myself, but I don't own the car that I would be talking about so I won't. Just remember that the thing is this: Ajp wasn't always a company that bailed on their customers as soon as the check cleared, they used to post up on 8th frequently and would always answer any questions any members had posted as well as helping out any customers that had questions regarding the kit or just the fg2 in general. I would compare the downfall to a musician that tried heroin for the first time... they just kept going downhill after that and then.....

[7AndrewPD]

Originally Posted by Mr Bigs

I honestly think people are getting a little ridiculous. The only way to determine the capability of the engine is to push it to its peak until failure. All of that scientific data is useless. Everyone keeps going back and forth with the AJP thing. If you don't want the kit don't buy it plain and simple.

Looks like another ajp spy to me.

[Da1nOnLy2k6]

^ lol i think they blocked their ip adress.

[FBP FG2]

I just finished reading every page in the thread and all I have to say is "WOW...." I feel really disappointed more than anything right now. I was saving up for the AJP kit seeing how the numbers were so much better over the GReddy kits, but reading this thread has completely turned me away from AJP. It was my dream to run over 350 whp on my fg2, but yeah, I am really disappointed. I didn't mind paying twice the price of the Greddy kit for the extra power, but... Well, I'm just at a total lost for words. This is pretty low. At least I hear about AJP's customer service now rather than experiencing it myself next year. I at least semi happy about that.

[firmhonda]

^That post, along with several others, means that this thread has served its purpose well.

As far as the greddy kit goes, go for it man. Once kpro comes out you'll be able to get more out of it by itself, not to mention you could upgrade the kit and eventually just land yourself in the same power range.
my .02 and /offtopic

[FBP FG2]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

^That post, along with several others, means that this thread has served its purpose well.

As far as the greddy kit goes, go for it man. Once kpro comes out you'll be able to get more out of it by itself, not to mention you could upgrade the kit and eventually just land yourself in the same power range.
my .02 and /offtopic

Yeah. I was thinking about doing that. Hopefully kpro will be out by the time I go turbo.

[sickyute]

Originally Posted by Dwn4nythng

Didn't you back these guys up before they even came out with the turbo kit?
Didn't you praise about how good these guys were?

1. yes i backed them to an extent ... but go back to read every thread of mine or that i've posted in concerning AJP and u'll see there's is criticism as well.

2. didn't back them before the kit came out ... i waited to get my car back as it was the guinea pig for the kit.

3. praise? i won't say that ... but if yes ... i'm not the only one ... there are a number of AJP customers who have praised them for many reasons and have bashed them all the same ...

i can go down a list of people who have done both ...
that's why the site is great ... u have great members who are fair and give recommendations or bash as needed...

eg... blueroadster liked ajp for certain reasons, for helping him with his build etc ... but bashed them when they messed up on his manifold amongst other things ...

and i can go on and on about the other customers as well ...
even those who made complaints about shipping taking too long when shipping hold ups were because of manufacturer back orders ... ajp took the heat and RIGHTFULLY so cuz they should inform customers before hand or as soon as they know that parts are on back order and will not arrive as scheduled... those very same customers who complained had their good things to say and in effect, backing them...

so yeah ... unlike some others on here who just dogged them from day one ... there are some of us who choose to see the good and bad side of people as it comes ...

u live and u learn.

[Mr Bigs]

Originally Posted by 7AndrewPD

Looks like another ajp spy to me.

Spy your ass, this topipic keeps coming up over and over and then AJP bumps horsepower to a higher level and everyone jumps back on their shit. Don't buy the kit and they will get their act together.

[sgtpruitt]

Originally Posted by Mr Bigs

Spy your ass, this topipic keeps coming up over and over and then AJP bumps horsepower to a higher level and everyone jumps back on their shit. Don't buy the kit and they will get their act together.

They aren't a site sponsor anymore now. This might change things.

[JeShUa]

Originally Posted by Mr Bigs

Spy your ass, this topipic keeps coming up over and over and then AJP bumps horsepower to a higher level and everyone jumps back on their shit. Don't buy the kit and they will get their act together.

Yeah right. Of anyone me, Sickyute and Lxxsilencexxp should have been most in the loop. I don't know about Marvie, but Enrique and myself were far from informed about things that were going on at the shop. Enrique had a great advantage over me by being able to visit the shop. Probably why locals have satisfaction as they never call you back and/or email you back :x.

[sickyute]

Originally Posted by JeShUa

Yeah right. Of anyone me, Sickyute and Lxxsilencexxp should have been most in the loop. I don't know about Marvie, but Enrique and myself were far from informed about things that were going on at the shop. Enrique had a great advantage over me by being able to visit the shop. Probably why locals have satisfaction as they never call you back and/or email you back :x.

i've been left out of the loop as well ... a few times ...
but like u said ... i was ale to go to the shop when i couldn't get a call back or whatever ...

[2RotorMotor]

wow this really sucks bro.. I cant believe or a shop would actually make a ******* account and give false testimony.. Good thing I had and want nothing to do witht hat company..

[MonkeyConQueso]

Man, I can't believe how this is all turning out. The kit and engineering may be innovative yet unrefined, but the lack of customer service and underhanded bulls#*% just killed their largest source of customers. Way to go AJP, way to go...

500HP /=/ Integrity

Too bad this thread didn't get JeShUa back his $750 though.

[firmhonda]

To be honest, I really wish that another company would purchase the patent for the kit (I assume that it's patented). Maybe another company could actually back the kit up the way it should be and be more successful with it.

Hey, maybe Blueroadster could just outline his kit, patent it, and sell it. That would be awesome.

[Mr Bigs]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

To be honest, I really wish that another company would purchase the patent for the kit (I assume that it's patented). Maybe another company could actually back the kit up the way it should be and be more successful with it.

Hey, maybe Blueroadster could just outline his kit, patent it, and sell it. That would be awesome.

There is nothing to patent all they did is make a manifold and get a tune from Hondata.