What is wrong with AJP?

[2RotorMotor]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

I didn't mean to imply that upping the boost would help his a/f at idle, I was more talking about the fact that he has 650 injectors instead of the 630 that the car is tuned for. A short conversation was had with ajp about this and they themselves said this would make it run rich, but it was a precaution they took against it leaning out in any way. The only time it does lean out is in 6th, which is only used for economy so that doesn't bother me at all.
It's odd though because it's only at idle and even then it only is around 10.5 when he first starts it up. When it warms up a bit (about 5 bars) it still runs rich, but only around 11.4 or so. When under boost runs right around the same.. 11.4. I don't know what it would do with the 630 injectors, but I would think that difference in size would easily make up for the richness.

630 to 650 is about a 4% difference in fuel.. Its not gunna make that big of a difference..

And honda06si it must be easy to sell you ****, you are more gullable than a retard. What do you think the airfuel should be huh ? 10,11, or maybe 12?? You fuhkin idiot, why dont you a bit of research and see where a cars idle a/f should be @ before you go talking ****..

[sickyute]

calm down on the name calling ...

[CaliGuy]

Originally Posted by sickyute

1. Please point me to a post where i said all AJP kits run perfect... if they would all run perfect i won't be on here answering PMs and helping people out in trouble shooting threads.

2. please point me to a post where i said my car ran perfect and without issue... like i said before in previous posts ... certain things can be avoided, like the stalling, and others can't and u just have to deal with it as it comes ... some can and some can't deal with it ...

Please see your above quotes...You certainly inferred that...

3. all those issues mentioned are ........ tune related .... who made the tune? AJP or Hondata? that's not to say hondata did a bad job ... they did what they could at the time ... if AJP told them to do X and they did X ... then that's their business and their reputation at stake ... either way they are 100% responsible for the tune, there is no way AJP can tune the car or even try to tune the car ... if they can't do it and do it right then don't do it at all ... so if ajp is selling a kit with a hondata tune then they are both to blame ... so u can call BS all u want but that's the reality ...

4. honda06si seems to be fine with his kit, so is esx005, streettuned and robert(not on forum) ...

5. every single kit will have minor issues (comptech, ajp, greddy, jackson etc etc) even after it's final tuning ... u'll never never get a forced induction kit to run perfectly 100% of the time ... some people had major issues (BCJ for example) ... it's what u can tolerate and what u can't ...

I have yet to hear of issues this bad with any other kit. Granted, I don't frequent other boards, but I haven't heard anything on thios board about people stalling or having major a/f issues with other kits...

6. please do no compare an aftermarket kit to cars that come with factory kits ... that is 200% apples and oranges ... there is no tune than can be better than a factory tune ... doesn't matter how good the tune is, your car will NEVER work as good as a car with boost from the factory ....

7. 2rotormotor, if all ECU worked the same ... we'd have some sought of management by now ... that is without a doubt ... so i highly doubt that statement that all ECU work the same ..

8. how the hell should idle on a Boosted car be in the 20s?

9. I had to send out my ECU like everyone else ...
a) hondata worked on the shop car from like 9am - 9pm doing the tune.
b) transferred it to my car, did some dynos and made adjustments accordingly
c) when i got the car i did some checks and noticed some things were wrong ... like i couldn't rev past 4000 rpm in neutral ... stock is 5500 i think ... so i had to send the ECU out to get reprogrammed / reflashed with the tune u all had ...
d) blueroadster had the full reflash before i did ...

everyone want's to say "that's why i'll go redshift" ... ever thought to wonder if redshift will have any issue? ever thought well how do they plan to make the tune off of an rsx-s which doesn't have a MAF and transfer it to a car which uses a MAF? that' just a question i've been asking myself cuz it makes sense to me ... but do any of you all ask urselves any questions about the other kits you all want to jump on?

Who said this? Not me! I have 0 faith in Redshift till I see their product in use...

it's the same thing with the AJP kit ... jump on the ship without knowledge of the product ... not ajp or redshift or comptech or whoever but forced induction in general and then have all those philosophies about how it should work and be from what u heard but don't know.

IMO the people who are complaining the most are the people who are least knowledgeable about the subject ... and one can tell by certain remarks made in posts ...

word of advice is to browse around all other boards in their forced induction sections, educate urselves, understand certain issues and then see why some of us can tolerate certain things when others see it as total BS.

are u aware that comptech uses 300 something cc injectors? easy to tune
ajp uses what? 650?? hard to tune ...
injectors themselves alone is a big factor in tuning ... the larger the injectors the harder it is to tune ur vehicle ...
and that's just one aspect of it ...
for christ's sake ... it's not as easy as yall are making it out to be and u can't compare ajp to comptech or comptech to greddy for that reason alone and many more ....

ever wonder why some comptech SC dynos show afr in the 11s, then others show it in the 13s... when under boost? if the tune is soo good why is that? what's causing the fluctuation is AFR in the same kits?

how can one make a reflash to accommodate for 100% of circumstances? especially one related to forced induction?

any more flames to throw my way?

PS: ... i won't be responding to any more posts in this thread ... it's just getting ridiculous ... it's as if people are just searching for things to discredit me when all i've done is be on the board to help as i went through the most crap with all the testing and so on and know what i'm saying ... i don't have an AJP kit no more so why the hell should i even care? carry on withe the fighting

[CaliGuy]

^^^Care to comment Marvie?

[Zeuceone]

here we go again.

[esx005]

this arguement is starting to sound like a k pro debate. we can go around in circles all day and won't get anywhere. the only thing that matters is that the owners of the kit are happy. we do have a few issues but all and all it is a good kit. yes it is a lot of money to still have issues but i myself can deal w/it. we will get everything figured out and when we do the kit will run even better on our cars.

i understand how people could be concerned about it, but it's one of those things that you have to be prepared to have problems when making this kind of whp on a car that was designed to have less than half.. not to mention n/a. there are a few other threads on this. i think if this should continue it should in this thread

ajp kit

just my .02

[CaliGuy]

^^^I just want Marvie to answer for himself...Then I am done.

I've decided that I really don't give a sh!t...I was merely trying to get some info out there for the 8th community that this kit has issues, before they go out and spend 7k...

I'm never going to buy this kit or anything from AJP due to the stuff I've read on here...Others can do as they please...

[esx005]

i think it's good that people can read the good and the bad. i know i read quite a bit of the stuff said about ajp on this forum before i made my decision to buy it. i am one of the people that can deal with the little quirks of this kit, some people aren't.

if you're wanting an easier kit making less power but less of a headache, get greddy.. if you can deal with the little b/s that goes along with the ajp and want to have a lot more power, go ajp. i think every thread about ajp on here says the same thing just worded differently though.. that's why i just pointed towards the other thread.

[honda06si]

Originally Posted by 2RotorMotor

And honda06si it must be easy to sell you ****, you are more gullable than a retard. What do you think the airfuel should be huh ? 10,11, or maybe 12?? You fuhkin idiot, why dont you a bit of research and see where a cars idle a/f should be @ before you go talking ****..

im gullible huh? hmm dont know how you would know that because you dont know me. in your previous statement, you said at idle, the a/f ratio should be in the 20's.....ok if you really want me to prove you wrong, i will get in my buddys car and turn the fuel pressure regualator down so low that the ratio will be at 20. then i will make a video of me trying to take off with such a lean mixture. it wont happen. it wont even run.

atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7 so an aif/fuel ratio is considered chemically correct or stoichiometric at 14.7.

that is 14.7 parts air to 1 part fuel. if you said it should be in the 20's, that would be say 25.0 parts air to 1 part fuel. there would be absolutley no internal combustion because of such lack of fuel...

maybe you should take a physics class or something before you talk ****.

and mods this should be, and i expect it to be, his second warning on the name calling and all his bullshit

[Blk4drSI]

Originally Posted by Mr Bigs

Where you would wind up at is the same amount of money if you want that kinda power, which I doubt it is gonna happen on a Greddy kit. You have to upgrade that whole kit.

Nah, the local shop that I deal with as done it already. With numerous cars. 600 hp s2000(thats not easy or cheap). And I may not get to 376 or whatever the ajp makes. But I will get a good number out of the greddy kit with some upgrades. Youve got to also take into consideration that everything that I upgrade from the Greddy kit, I will be selling the original stuff from the kit that I upgraded. So, I may not make it to 375 hp, but I wont be stalling in a brand new car and wont be breaking or breaking down either. I also want to say that I dont dislike AJP. I actually have there 3 inch exhaust system on the way to my house right now. I think that they make good stuff, I just agree with other members that for 7k, you shouldnt have any problems whatsoever. Thats all.

[esx005]

Originally Posted by Blk4drSI

Nah, the local shop that I deal with as done it already. With numerous cars. 600 hp s2000(thats not easy or cheap). And I may not get to 376 or whatever the ajp makes. But I will get a good number out of the greddy kit with some upgrades. Youve got to also take into consideration that everything that I upgrade from the Greddy kit, I will be selling the original stuff from the kit that I upgraded. So, I may not make it to 375 hp, but I wont be stalling in a brand new car and wont be breaking or breaking down either. I also want to say that I dont dislike AJP. I actually have there 3 inch exhaust system on the way to my house right now. I think that they make good stuff, I just agree with other members that for 7k, you shouldnt have any problems whatsoever. Thats all.

5k+ is a lot of money and i do agree that the issues should be worked out for that amount.i have not had any stalling issues nor do i feel as though i am going to end up on th side of the road broke down. the only problems that i am having is the rattle from the dumptube and running rich.both of these will be fixed one way or another.wow i kinda feel like a spokes person.

[honda06si]

Originally Posted by esx005

5k+ is a lot of money and i do agree that the issues should be worked out for that amount.i have not had any stalling issues nor do i feel as though i am going to end up on th side of the road broke down. the only problems that i am having is the rattle from the dumptube and running rich.both of these will be fixed one way or another.wow i kinda feel like a spokes person.

what exhaust do you have?

[esx005]

Originally Posted by honda06si

what exhaust do you have?

their 3inch w/buddy club

[honda06si]

Originally Posted by esx005

their 3inch w/buddy club

o i was going to say i have the skunk2 and i have a rattle that i thought was the dump tube or actually i didnt know what it was, and i found out that its the first hanger by the gas tank

[BATANG CITY JAIL]

Originally Posted by honda06si

o i was going to say i have the skunk2 and i have a rattle that i thought was the dump tube or actually i didnt know what it was, and i found out that its the first hanger by the gas tank

if you guys are going to talk about the exhasut, go make another thread. lol.. just kidding...

[esx005]

i need smaller hangers to suck the exhaust up a little and i do have a rattle where the mid pipe is attached w/ a u-bolt until i weld it. i have a different wastegate that doesn't have as much mobility,so my dumptube is a little tighter than yours

[honda06si]

Originally Posted by esx005

i need smaller hangers to suck the exhaust up a little and i do have a rattle where the mid pipe is attached w/ a u-bolt until i weld it. i have a different wastegate that doesn't have as much mobility,so my dumptube is a little tighter than yours

you could always shorten your dump tube

[CaliGuy]

Well, glad that some of you are happy with your kits. I suppose thats all that counts.

I sincerly hope that others considering this kit read, read and read some more before buying....

[esx005]

i have already cut the back side of it so that it won't rub on the bottom. it is rubbing the actual frame and not the sub frame(closer to the wastegate)

[esx005]

Originally Posted by CaliGuy

Well, glad that some of you are happy with your kits. I suppose thats all that counts.

I sincerly hope that others considering this kit read, read and read some more before buying....

deffinately i would never send someone out to get a kit w/out them being fully aware of what they were getting in to.