What is wrong with AJP?

[2RotorMotor]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

My theory is still that the tune was done on a car that didn't have the production kit installed, it was the prototype. When they changed all the little things it caused all of the problems.

maybe

And the running rich at idle thing could be caused by a few things.. quite simply the tune was for 630cc, and ajp is giving out 650. That by itself seems like it would cause the richness as idle. As far as esx005 running 10.5ish at idle he also is only at like 6 lbs of boost, when the tune is clearly for 8.5 lbs of boost. He also hasn't installed his vacuum block yet which will lean it out a little bit. I think that when he gets that installed and ups the boost to where it's supposed to be, he'll be idling around 11.5 - 12 too.

Idle has nothing to do with how much boost he is running. If he is running 10.5 a/f @ idle then that is completely horrible.. As a matter of fact, if that is true, then it should be smoking really bad @ idle or wanting to stall out.. Idle a/f should be pretty much in the 20's.. Anyways, Im not sure how they tune the car, whether its with the map or maf(even though I think they said that @ WOT the car uses solely the map sensor) but it shouldnt matter how high they tune the car for, anything under that should be running fine.. I've tuned before than I can tell you from experience. Tuning is done through tables and you tune for the values of rpm or map.. Even though I have no idea how the tuning is done through the stock ecu, basically all ecus work in the same way...

His plugs are fouled too.. and I'm afraid that he's going to change out the plugs before installing the block and upping the boost.. causing more fouled plugs.

If he is having problems with fuel then he needs to start checking his oil for the smell of gas.. Runing that rich gas can contaminate the oil which dillutes it and can cause cylinder scarring and other problems.. This should be taken care of before he makes any upgrades in boost...

[sickyute]

Originally Posted by CaliGuy

I call BS Marvie! So, you're saying that the issues with the AJP kit are due to Hondata? You're saying that Hondata did something wrong to cause the issues that have been mentioned on here? You're saying that Hondata essentially did a bad tune?

Come on man...

be specific about the issues u speak about.
as i am aware .... all issues brought up here have been dealt with either by owners of the kit on here or by ajp/hondata.

again, which issues are u eferring to?

and please tell me how ajp tunes a car.

[CaliGuy]

Originally Posted by sickyute

be specific about the issues u speak about.
as i am aware .... all issues brought up here have been dealt with either by owners of the kit on here or by ajp/hondata.

again, which issues are u eferring to?

and please tell me how ajp tunes a car.

I am referring to the f'd up a/f ratios and stalling.

Although Hondata tuned the car AJP paid for X time and for Hondata to do X. I fail to see how Hondata caused a bad reflash. Hondata simply did whatever AJP asked. IMHO is what likely happened is that AJP did not pay Hondata to do what was necessary or their kit simply cannot work without i-pro (or whatever you want to call it). Either way I say that is an AJP issue.

Again, like Batang said: the Comptech S/C is running fine with the Hondata flash. I don't agree that just becuse the Comptech S/C is puting out more power makes it easier to tune or whatever.


On a side note: I have no personal problem with you Marvie. I just don't agree with you. I'm glad that we are keeping this civil. I really shouldn't have said "BS". That was a bit harsh. I just don't agree with you...

So you're telling me that no one's AJP Si is running insanely rich or stalling anymore? I must be crazy then, because someone above was just complaining about it along with several others (in other threads).

[sickyute]

Originally Posted by BATANG CITY JAIL

oh yeah?? why everybody is running 10's on idle and while your running 12's?? did hondata made an error on the production reflash?? where did hondata get the data for the prduction reflash BTW??

1. i had the same reflash as everyone else. i sent my ecu out like everyone else to get it.

2. where did hondata get the data? lol.... like i said ... they came to florida and got all the data themselves. it's the only way i'm aware that they could get the data. no other data was taken off my car from anyone except hondata and its the same for the shop car.

3. why is everyone running on 10 and i was in the 12s... i don't know... it could be a variety of things....even ur location can affect that. take that up with ajp/hondata/ur installer.

what are u trying to get at?

other owners on here seem to be just fine... i wonder what happenned to urs.....

[CaliGuy]

Originally Posted by sickyute

1. i had the same reflash as everyone else. i sent my ecu out like everyone else to get it.

2. where did hondata get the data? lol.... like i said ... they came to florida and got all the data themselves. it's the only way i'm aware that they could get the data. no other data was taken off my car from anyone except hondata and its the same for the shop car.

3. why is everyone running on 10 and i was in the 12s... i don't know... it could be a variety of things....even ur location can affect that. take that up with ajp/hondata/ur installer.

what are u trying to get at?

other owners on here seem to be just fine... i wonder what happenned to urs.....

Where are these elusive "other owners". I must have missed something. From what I recall everyone (save yourself) were having either minor to moderate issues with this kit...Either f'd a/f or stalling...

[GalaxyGreySi]

I haven't heard of ANY AJP owners that had no problems at all. Does anyone have a perfectly running AJP equipped car???

[CaliGuy]

Originally Posted by GalaxyGreySi

I haven't heard of ANY AJP owners that had no problems at all. Does anyone have a perfectly running AJP equipped car???

According to Marvie everyone's runs like a dream except Batang *rolls eyes*

[GalaxyGreySi]

Even Marvie's car had some issues though, I remember.

[CaliGuy]

Originally Posted by GalaxyGreySi

Even Marvie's car had some issues though, I remember.

Not according to Marvie!

Marvie, I think you can understand my frustration with you now. I am not the only one that remembers that you, along with every other AJP owner has had issues!


Selective memory???

Last time I called you out on this I got no response! I just ask that you back up your claims or admit that AJP's kit is not perfect and that they put out a kit that does not work 100% properly! Hell, not even 80% properly!

Edit: Prove me wrong and I will STFU!

[CaliGuy]

*crickets crirping as I wait for a response from Marvie*

[webby]

honda06si - I recently saw your video. I haven't had enough time to look through all of your posts, but are you having issues. I see you said your gauge is not constant. I take it you're having AF issues.... stalling? Or are things fine on your end?

[YOGIx213]

Originally Posted by GalaxyGreySi

I haven't heard of ANY AJP owners that had no problems at all. Does anyone have a perfectly running AJP equipped car???

...word...

[blue1]

Well...I for one have had absolutely no problems (stalling, running rich at idle, etc.) over the last two months.




































Because it's been in the garage on stands the whole time.

[06Fg2]

I have no problems either......




because my kit is in my GF's room right now waiting to get set out to be coated :laughing".

[honda06si]

Originally Posted by 2RotorMotor

Idle a/f should be pretty much in the 20's.

that is the stupidest thing ive ever heard

[CaliGuy]

^^^^:gaygiggle (meant for the post above the above...)

[honda06si]

Originally Posted by webby

honda06si - I recently saw your video. I haven't had enough time to look through all of your posts, but are you having issues. I see you said your gauge is not constant. I take it you're having AF issues.... stalling? Or are things fine on your end?

at this time im having no problems, ive had alot of problems but most everything has been fine tuned by me, and why it took so long is because this is my first turbocharged car...and honestly i dont have much patience..

anyways right now yes my boost gauge is jumping around from like 6-8-7-5 but it has been cold here, like in the 30's and 40's. so im guessing thats it, so i wont be able to tell until i get a warm day

[webby]

so when you say "fine tuned by you" - what have you done different from what ajp has told you to do?

[honda06si]

Originally Posted by webby

so when you say "fine tuned by you" - what have you done different from what ajp has told you to do?

well since i replaced the clutch and installed an oil catch can, and vacuum block, and boost controller. just little things were wrong, i had a boost leak because my intercooler piping was off....i blew a fuse that made my whole dash go out, i had a vacuum leak, just like 2 days ago i finally figured out how to work the AEM tru-boost gauge, umm i just got the clutch broke in, had to move where the oil catch can was installed because the wonderful users of 8thcivic were nice enough to tell me the spot i picked was pointless because the oil wouldnt even reach it...and past couple days ive just been messing around with my fuel pressure regulator. trying to find a sweet spot at what psi to run. but its cold and my guages are jumping around, so maybe next week


edit- i havent really done anything diffrent from what ajp told me to, ive just kind of been going at it myself.

[BATANG CITY JAIL]

Originally Posted by sickyute

1. i had the same reflash as everyone else. i sent my ecu out like everyone else to get it.

2. where did hondata get the data? lol.... like i said ... they came to florida and got all the data themselves. it's the only way i'm aware that they could get the data. no other data was taken off my car from anyone except hondata and its the same for the shop car.

3. why is everyone running on 10 and i was in the 12s... i don't know... it could be a variety of things....even ur location can affect that. take that up with ajp/hondata/ur installer.

what are u trying to get at?

other owners on here seem to be just fine... i wonder what happenned to urs.....

you sent your ECU out like the other owner??

from this thread: AJP 405.9 BHP Tune by Doug from Hondata

Originally Posted by Ben10

Yes it is completed. The truth is here and ready to go no more doubts on management. Doug from Hondata just rolled Marvie's car off the dyno the Stage 2 kit made 369 WHP @ 8.5 psi. We are quite confident that these numbers will stand up to anything that the industry has to offer @ the moment. A rough estimate of 400whp will be a reality quite shortly once a few more hours of R&D are completed. This is the production which many of you are familiar with. The timing was on the conservative side so the daily drivability of the vehicle is maintained along with excellent fuel economy. The tune was also done on 93 Octane no Race Gas here pump only.

This marks the onset of the Custom reflash that is now available with all AJP turbo kits. 954-636-7992 operators are standing by