Turbo tuning options?

[TRY2HNG]

I have a 07 Si and am going to decide on a turbo system in the next few months. I have already installed the AJP 3" exhaust in preperation. Im looking at the Greddy and AJP systems. Ive called both companies and am told that both make nice HP and both are upgradeable. The problem is anything above stock levels of boost requires retuning and a level of experience with either system. I personally can install the kits but have no level of tuning experience. I want to be in the 8-10 PSI range running close to 350HP. this should put me well into the 12 sec. quarter mile range under proper conditions. Are there any easy solutions or miracle tuning boxes that will cure my problem or do I have to start looking for Honda tuners in the New England Area close to my home in Southern Maine?

[06si]

Originally Posted by TRY2HNG

I have a 07 Si and am going to decide on a turbo system in the next few months. I have already installed the AJP 3" exhaust in preperation. Im looking at the Greddy and AJP systems. Ive called both companies and am told that both make nice HP and both are upgradeable. The problem is anything above stock levels of boost requires retuning and a level of experience with either system. I personally can install the kits but have no level of tuning experience. I want to be in the 8-10 PSI range running close to 350HP. this should put me well into the 12 sec. quarter mile range under proper conditions. Are there any easy solutions or miracle tuning boxes that will cure my problem or do I have to start looking for Honda tuners in the New England Area close to my home in Southern Maine?

I'd say you should go with the AJP kit only because the Greddy kit will not put out 350 hp at 8 psi like the AJP kit will. They seem to know what they are doing and not rushing into production like Greddy did with their kit. As for tuning I think the Greddy EMS ultimate would be your best bet.

[silvsi24]

go with AJP i know that their kit makes more power then greddy hands down running lower psi, also im not sure how much boost AJP makes but without building your motor i would only consider 8psi safe with fuel upgrades pump, injectors if not included, reg, all that good stuff but even with 8psi you will make good 300 + power with mods

[sheek360]

Originally Posted by TRY2HNG

I have a 07 Si and am going to decide on a turbo system in the next few months. I have already installed the AJP 3" exhaust in preperation. Im looking at the Greddy and AJP systems. Ive called both companies and am told that both make nice HP and both are upgradeable. The problem is anything above stock levels of boost requires retuning and a level of experience with either system. I personally can install the kits but have no level of tuning experience. I want to be in the 8-10 PSI range running close to 350HP. this should put me well into the 12 sec. quarter mile range under proper conditions. Are there any easy solutions or miracle tuning boxes that will cure my problem or do I have to start looking for Honda tuners in the New England Area close to my home in Southern Maine?

if i had an SI id go for the marvie kit. as far as tuning i understand that they can get u a hondata flash.

[Street2uned]

AJP's kit is laying down 355whp @ 7psi. No tuning required. Stock ECM handles everything up to 7psi. Anything above 7psi is still in the works. Look for an update on that very soon.

[sheek360]

Originally Posted by Street2uned

AJP's kit is laying down 355whp @ 7psi. No tuning required. Stock ECM handles everything up to 7psi. Anything above 7psi is still in the works. Look for an update on that very soon.

? no tuning required? u just slap the turbo kit on and thats it? are u sure man, i thought there kit included a tune?

[06Fg2]

Originally Posted by sheek360

? no tuning required? u just slap the turbo kit on and thats it? are u sure man, i thought there kit included a tune?

I think they are running a piggyback right now, but I have heard that they are working with Hondata on a reflash specific to their kit. Also, didn't AJP say that with a kit similar to the Marvie kit, they were putting down about 460WHP at 10 psi on a stock RSX? I am pretty sure I read that somewhere, I will see if I can find it. So....I would go with AJP. Are you set on going with turbo? I know there are a couple companies right now working on SC. Personally, I am going to wait until spring time comes around to get some FI. That way I will have a lot of different options and the motor/ecu system will be more well known.

[sheek360]

Originally Posted by 06Fg2

I think they are running a piggyback right now, but I have heard that they are working with Hondata on a reflash specific to their kit. Also, didn't AJP say that with a kit similar to the Marvie kit, they were putting down about 460WHP at 10 psi on a stock RSX? I am pretty sure I read that somewhere, I will see if I can find it. So....I would go with AJP. Are you set on going with turbo? I know there are a couple companies right now working on SC. Personally, I am going to wait until spring time comes around to get some FI. That way I will have a lot of different options and the motor/ecu system will be more well known.

i know of a 380whp rsx type s here in miami thats running a modified AJ kit. he's on 100% stock internals. But he's running a standalone. So im sure a Hondata flash will do better than piggy backs. But no, I dont have a civic but i am supercharged.

[skittleslegend]

Originally Posted by sheek360

i know of a 380whp rsx type s here in miami thats running a modified AJ kit. he's on 100% stock internals. But he's running a standalone. So im sure a Hondata flash will do better than piggy backs. But no, I dont have a civic but i am supercharged.

lol.....we need to get you into a Civic pronto.



Hello fellow New Englander :). I'm just going to co-sign and tell you to go with AJP, because that's who I went with. They're a bit more expensive than Greddy, but I don't trust Greddy to take care of their issues. They allegedly denied their fuel map wasn't right and was causing the vehicle to run poorly, and their power levels are nowhere near where they're advertising. Give AJP a buzz. They've been nothing but helpful and accomodating to all of us who've inquired about their kits, and will soon have the AFC-NEO, Hondata reflash and Greddy e-Manage (Ultimate, I believe) as tuning options. The NEO is already done, the reflash is supposed to be shipping within the next few weeks and the e-Manage is coming.

Now to just find someone to tune it here in New England

[sheek360]

Originally Posted by skittleslegend

lol.....we need to get you into a Civic pronto.



Hello fellow New Englander :). I'm just going to co-sign and tell you to go with AJP, because that's who I went with. They're a bit more expensive than Greddy, but I don't trust Greddy to take care of their issues. They allegedly denied their fuel map wasn't right and was causing the vehicle to run poorly, and their power levels are nowhere near where they're advertising. Give AJP a buzz. They've been nothing but helpful and accomodating to all of us who've inquired about their kits, and will soon have the AFC-NEO, Hondata reflash and Greddy e-Manage (Ultimate, I believe) as tuning options. The NEO is already done, the reflash is supposed to be shipping within the next few weeks and the e-Manage is coming.

Now to just find someone to tune it here in New England

imo the best way to go would be the e-manage, aem ems or hondata reflash. Any other piggy backs do nothing for your timing. I would never leave the safety of my engine in the hands of a fuel controller. You have no ability to alter timing, or make exact pin point changes to a/f. But those are just my opinions, people have been running fuel controllers for ever and a half now.

[skittleslegend]

Originally Posted by sheek360

imo the best way to go would be the e-manage, aem ems or hondata reflash. Any other piggy backs do nothing for your timing. I would never leave the safety of my engine in the hands of a fuel controller. You have no ability to alter timing, or make exact pin point changes to a/f. But those are just my opinions, people have been running fuel controllers for ever and a half now.

But in situations where boost is no higher than 7psi, you're fine just using a fuel controller. The OEM ECU handles the rest until then. After talking to F.I.A.T. it almost seems as if Honda prepared this vehicle for boost. It's kinda crazy to think "Oh sh*t, they're taking this aftermarket thing seriously." :)

Actually, I believe the fuel controller is only capable of 4psi. On the Marvie kit that was good for 300whp. They used it on the shop car, if I recall, to 350-400whp at 7psi.

[sheek360]

Originally Posted by skittleslegend

But in situations where boost is no higher than 7psi, you're fine just using a fuel controller. The OEM ECU handles the rest until then. After talking to F.I.A.T. it almost seems as if Honda prepared this vehicle for boost. It's kinda crazy to think "Oh sh*t, they're taking this aftermarket thing seriously." :)

Actually, I believe the fuel controller is only capable of 4psi. On the Marvie kit that was good for 300whp. They used it on the shop car, if I recall, to 350-400whp at 7psi.

ive seen 11 psi on a 2.2 ion tuned with a DMFU fuel controller. The fact of the matter is with out the ability to pull/adjust timing accordingly i would never recommend it. Why waste 3k$$$ on a bad ass Forced induction kit, and have no real tuning for anything except fuel? You just wasted 3k and u can only control things like fuel and boost? Im sorry bro, but for that price I want to be able to sleep comfortably knowing my vehicle was properly dialed in.

[sheek360]

Originally Posted by skittleslegend

Actually, I believe the fuel controller is only capable of 4psi. On the Marvie kit that was good for 300whp. They used it on the shop car, if I recall, to 350-400whp at 7psi.

im sure marvie and AJ performance will agree: 4psi and 300whp on a fuel computer is nothing compared to the power they couldve made if they had direct ECU access or a standalone, on the same 4psi ofcoarse.

[sickyute]

Originally Posted by sheek360

im sure marvie and AJ performance will agree: 4psi and 300whp on a fuel computer is nothing compared to the power they couldve made if they had direct ECU access or a standalone, on the same 4psi ofcoarse.

quoted for truth.

[sickyute]

hondata reflash should be done really really soon as sema is now over...
YAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!

i'd say go with AJP not cuz i have it but because ur other option is greddy...

i'll tell u that htec17/local member on here, the first with his greddy kit on here went through shit and more and back...well after a greddy rep flew over here to help him out...things got a lil better but still wasn't what it should be...can u imagine??? well he's getting his money back.... he's not the only one who had issues either...search the boards.

where tunning is concerned...
strangely the emanage worked on the AJP shop car without issue.

afc neo works but to a point...it can't do to the 8th gen Si what it can do to prior hondas so here u are limited to some fuel tuning...some fuel tuning cuz u can only tune fuel to a point or to a certain rpm with it...imo after the ecm learns with it on there u can remove it.

hondata reflash as stated above will be completed in the very near future..

hondata ECM controller(what i call it) will be out soon. how soon? i don't know. what i do know is there is something in the making...what i've heard from good sources is that it won't be a standalone but a piggy back unit that will allow u to do everything the kpro does, but don't quote me on this...it's what the highly touted sources say :) i have a hint of how it works but it's not concrete info. so i'll keep that to myself.

AJP or go home!!

[sheek360]

Originally Posted by sickyute

hondata reflash should be done really really soon as sema is now over...
YAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!

i'd say go with AJP not cuz i have it but because ur other option is greddy...

i'll tell u that htec17/local member on here, the first with his greddy kit on here went through shit and more and back...well after a greddy rep flew over here to help him out...things got a lil better but still wasn't what it should be...can u imagine??? well he's getting his money back.... he's not the only one who had issues either...search the boards.

where tunning is concerned...
strangely the emanage worked on the AJP shop car without issue.

afc neo works but to a point...it can't do to the 8th gen Si what it can do to prior hondas so here u are limited to some fuel tuning...some fuel tuning cuz u can only tune fuel to a point or to a certain rpm with it...imo after the ecm learns with it on there u can remove it.

hondata reflash as stated above will be completed in the very near future..

hondata ECM controller(what i call it) will be out soon. how soon? i don't know. what i do know is there is something in the making...what i've heard from good sources is that it won't be a standalone but a piggy back unit that will allow u to do everything the kpro does, but don't quote me on this...it's what the highly touted sources say :) i have a hint of how it works but it's not concrete info. so i'll keep that to myself.

AJP or go home!!

dont u hate when companies wont release there latest and greatest till SEMA is over? Im not surprised that the emanage worked, especially here in Miami. The temperature fluxuation between summer and winter isnt as bad. So it shouldnt affect its tune. Especially if that emanage honda was tuned right. Now a emanaged vehicle is, say... New York, might have issues. The hondata reflash is something to really look forward too. The Kpro seems like its really going to open doors too! 2007 will be an exciting year for the 8th gen civic !!

[sickyute]

haha...

there's a new greddy unit... that's better than the emanage...made especially for vehicles like ours...

the emanage couldn't alter vtec on the i-vtec engines and so on but the new one can do that an alter timing accross the whole rpm range... it looks good ...

it's called the V - manage .... something to look out for :)

[sheek360]

Originally Posted by sickyute

haha...

there's a new greddy unit... that's better than the emanage...made especially for vehicles like ours...

the emanage couldn't alter vtec on the i-vtec engines and so on but the new one can do that an alter timing accross the whole rpm range... it looks good ...

it's called the V - manage .... something to look out for :)

V-manage? That aught to be something to look forward too!

[Street2uned]

Originally Posted by sheek360

? no tuning required? u just slap the turbo kit on and thats it? are u sure man, i thought there kit included a tune?

Unless I misunderstood what Ron and Ben told me at AJP, yes. If you have the fuel components to support the boost up to 7psi, the ECM takes care of the rest. It runs open and closed loop on the fly.

Marvie, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they have the NEO on the shop car and one day decide to take it off and see how the car ran? And it turns out that the car ran a little smoother with no piggyback. That was what I understood from speaking with Ben.

Anything past 7psi needs some form of management because the car runs a little lean on top end.

Ben or Marvie, can you add anything or correct me if I'm wrong please? Thanks.

[sheek360]

Originally Posted by Street2uned

Unless I misunderstood what Ron and Ben told me at AJP, yes. If you have the fuel components to support the boost up to 7psi, the ECM takes care of the rest. It runs open and closed loop on the fly.

Marvie, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they have the NEO on the shop car and one day decide to take it off and see how the car ran? And it turns out that the car ran a little smoother with no piggyback. That was what I understood from speaking with Ben.

Anything past 7psi needs some form of management because the car runs a little lean on top end.

Ben or Marvie, can you add anything or correct me if I'm wrong please? Thanks.

dude, thats fantastic. The point is that every boosted car will run better with more than just a/f tuning.