NA build of K20Z3 motor - Page 4

F.I.A.T · 10-27-2006, 10:30 PM

the rsx-s oil pump is much more efficient at moving oil throughtout the motor at higher rpms without scavenging air into the system. thats why its being used

mjh/sms · 10-27-2006, 11:06 PM

that is true, i was trying to think of a more detail explaination, but i guess that will do. In addition, the oil pan will be replaced with a Hy-tech pan, which uses various passageways to maintain oil levels while the vehicle makes hard turns. In the normal oil pan the fluid can shift from left to right under very harsh condition, and if you're pushing the vehicle hard you will eventually kill your engine. This piece will be a must for anyone looking to go time attack their vehicle with a modified engine.

Once again , i'll have pics of that piece in a couple weeks

Thanks for droppin that note F.I.A.T

bizzybearfigiblue · 10-28-2006, 12:36 AM

what size r those headers?

MADDOGSI · 10-28-2006, 02:48 AM

The question of the day. How much to make me a header like that? Doesn't have to be SS. Steel would be just fine. I would prefer to have them coated anyways.

***Excelerate*** · 10-28-2006, 02:48 PM

I'll see you guys at SEMA. I'm leaving on Wed to fly out to LV to go to the show for a couple days. I look forward to meeting you guys.

F.I.A.T · 10-29-2006, 10:07 AM

the Hy-Tech header sets usually sell for around the 1300.00 range. as far as the baffled pan , thats a great mod for a road course minded car. the baffles with the trap doors help to keep oil surrounding the sump.

mjh/sms · 11-08-2006, 09:56 PM

Well it seems someone has already posted the results of this build.
I still plan on posting some video and some more pics of the final parts and what not. Sorry for the delay, just been really busy post SEMA.

legendman · 11-09-2006, 12:56 AM

Is the TSX throttle body really worth it? It's only a 4mm difference from stock, so I was just curious.

fa1 · 11-09-2006, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legendman

Is the TSX throttle body really worth it? It's only a 4mm difference from stock, so I was just curious.

On stock internals and minimal mods, probably not. If you're going for the full buildup, then that's a different story.

6spd_ek · 11-09-2006, 05:45 PM

small world... I have your fg2 stock seats, I run TCS rear LCA's & I have a k20a w/hytech header too...dyno'd 229.82whp on dynojet with just bolt-ons

going for a set of john's cams this winter

crappy pic of the sweet seats (for an ek )

mjh/sms · 11-09-2006, 11:05 PM

nice seats man ;-)
Ill post pics saturday guys

Type X · 11-09-2006, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6spd_ek

small world... I have your fg2 stock seats, I run TCS rear LCA's & I have a k20a w/hytech header too...dyno'd 229.82whp on dynojet with just bolt-ons

going for a set of john's cams this winter

crappy pic of the sweet seats (for an ek )

and who set u too guys up on those seats?

mjh/sms · 11-11-2006, 02:51 AM

Well i have a little bit of entertainment for you guys. For those with fast connections, here is a quick little summary of our dyno runs. Unfortunately my digital camera doesnt adjust well to different lights, so you can read the dyno but you can see whats going on. and i put the numbers next to each clip. Enjoy. Ill pick up the final disc of pics tommorow so you guys can see all the parts and the final making of the engine. NOTE: THIS ENGINE ORIGINALLY MAD ABOUT 210hp on this very same dyno

Load in vid: Load In Video
pics:

First Run (we realize our ECU is a preproduction, non programmable version, btw it makes about 19 more hp than the normal one so if anyone wants to trade ECUs for some clean HP, let me know) We hit 245hp on this run, not optimized in terms of a nice power curve throughout the power band
245hp Run

Near Final Run
255hp Run

unfortunately i wasnt around for the final run, but you guys get the idea.

bizzybearfigiblue · 11-11-2006, 03:36 AM

45hp with all of that........i'm not sure if im impressed

mjh/sms · 11-11-2006, 01:42 PM

well you actually get 50hp (Final run was 260.8hp). But if you read further back in the thread, these are power gains using parts for an rsx. In actuallity, the parts will be modified to work better with the K20z3 head, and we should be able to pull 70-80hp. Also, you must take in to account that these are not just peak gains, you gain just about 30hp over the entire power band above about 2500rpms. Vs. a turbo would only boost power over 5-6000 rpms.

***sickyute*** · 11-11-2006, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjh/sms

well you actually get 50hp (Final run was 260.8hp). But if you read further back in the thread, these are power gains using parts for an rsx. In actuallity, the parts will be modified to work better with the K20z3 head, and we should be able to pull 70-80hp. Also, you must take in to account that these are not just peak gains, you gain just about 30hp over the entire power band above about 2500rpms. Vs. a turbo would only boost power over 5-6000 rpms.

that's not true about the turbo...
it depends on the size of the turbo...a properly sized turbo will spool from 2000 rpm or anywhere u punch it from.

and u will have gains even when not under boost or full boost.

anyway....whant bbk is that? rotoroa? any pics?

bizzybearfigiblue · 11-11-2006, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjh/sms

well you actually get 50hp (Final run was 260.8hp). But if you read further back in the thread, these are power gains using parts for an rsx. In actuallity, the parts will be modified to work better with the K20z3 head, and we should be able to pull 70-80hp. Also, you must take in to account that these are not just peak gains, you gain just about 30hp over the entire power band above about 2500rpms. Vs. a turbo would only boost power over 5-6000 rpms.

that's tru but i didn't see the dyno sheet so i didn't see the gains throughout.

mjh/sms · 11-11-2006, 06:31 PM

Yea those are Rotora Big brakes, we're going to do a kit for the rear too.

***sickyute*** · 11-11-2006, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjh/sms

Yea those are Rotora Big brakes, we're going to do a kit for the rear too.

explain...

same size as front rotors? etc.etc etc...
what are the plans for this rear brake setup?

is it going to be a rotora kit or some other kit?
is it going to be a pieced together sought of thing?

mjh/sms · 11-11-2006, 09:53 PM

Its a much larger front rotor, and thats a Rotora Big Brake Kit, we developed it almost a year ago. If you're interested in one shoot howie@mjhsound.com an email. Its a 6-piston

The rear will be a 2-pitson, slightly larger rotor (not significant) but it will be slotted as well. You will lose your ebrake though if you run the rear brake setup as well.

If you want exact sizes please email me sales@mjhsound.com, ill find out for you

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10-27-2006, 10:30 PM	#61 (permalink)
F.I.A.T Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 495 iTrader: 0 / 0%	the rsx-s oil pump is much more efficient at moving oil throughtout the motor at higher rpms without scavenging air into the system. thats why its being used

10-27-2006, 11:06 PM	#62 (permalink)
mjh/sms Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 189 iTrader: 1 / 100%	that is true, i was trying to think of a more detail explaination, but i guess that will do. In addition, the oil pan will be replaced with a Hy-tech pan, which uses various passageways to maintain oil levels while the vehicle makes hard turns. In the normal oil pan the fluid can shift from left to right under very harsh condition, and if you're pushing the vehicle hard you will eventually kill your engine. This piece will be a must for anyone looking to go time attack their vehicle with a modified engine. Once again , i'll have pics of that piece in a couple weeks Thanks for droppin that note F.I.A.T

10-28-2006, 12:36 AM	#63 (permalink)
bizzybearfigiblue Senior Member Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 18,276 iTrader: 4 / 100%	what size r those headers?

10-28-2006, 02:48 AM	#64 (permalink)
MADDOGSI Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Derby Ks. Age: 34 Posts: 436 Scotty iTrader: 3 / 100%	The question of the day. How much to make me a header like that? Doesn't have to be SS. Steel would be just fine. I would prefer to have them coated anyways.

10-29-2006, 10:07 AM	#66 (permalink)
F.I.A.T Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 495 iTrader: 0 / 0%	the Hy-Tech header sets usually sell for around the 1300.00 range. as far as the baffled pan , thats a great mod for a road course minded car. the baffles with the trap doors help to keep oil surrounding the sump.

11-08-2006, 09:56 PM	#67 (permalink)
mjh/sms Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 189 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Well it seems someone has already posted the results of this build. I still plan on posting some video and some more pics of the final parts and what not. Sorry for the delay, just been really busy post SEMA.

11-09-2006, 12:56 AM	#68 (permalink)
legendman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 25 Posts: 662 iTrader: 4 / 100%	Is the TSX throttle body really worth it? It's only a 4mm difference from stock, so I was just curious.

11-09-2006, 05:45 PM	#70 (permalink)
6spd_ek Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ny Posts: 63 iTrader: 1 / 100%	small world... I have your fg2 stock seats, I run TCS rear LCA's & I have a k20a w/hytech header too...dyno'd 229.82whp on dynojet with just bolt-ons going for a set of john's cams this winter crappy pic of the sweet seats (for an ek )

11-09-2006, 11:05 PM	#71 (permalink)
mjh/sms Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 189 iTrader: 1 / 100%	nice seats man ;-) Ill post pics saturday guys

11-11-2006, 02:51 AM	#73 (permalink)
mjh/sms Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 189 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Well i have a little bit of entertainment for you guys. For those with fast connections, here is a quick little summary of our dyno runs. Unfortunately my digital camera doesnt adjust well to different lights, so you can read the dyno but you can see whats going on. and i put the numbers next to each clip. Enjoy. Ill pick up the final disc of pics tommorow so you guys can see all the parts and the final making of the engine. NOTE: THIS ENGINE ORIGINALLY MAD ABOUT 210hp on this very same dyno Load in vid: Load In Video pics: First Run (we realize our ECU is a preproduction, non programmable version, btw it makes about 19 more hp than the normal one so if anyone wants to trade ECUs for some clean HP, let me know) We hit 245hp on this run, not optimized in terms of a nice power curve throughout the power band 245hp Run Near Final Run 255hp Run unfortunately i wasnt around for the final run, but you guys get the idea.

11-11-2006, 03:36 AM	#74 (permalink)
bizzybearfigiblue Senior Member Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 18,276 iTrader: 4 / 100%	45hp with all of that........i'm not sure if im impressed

11-11-2006, 01:42 PM	#75 (permalink)
mjh/sms Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 189 iTrader: 1 / 100%	well you actually get 50hp (Final run was 260.8hp). But if you read further back in the thread, these are power gains using parts for an rsx. In actuallity, the parts will be modified to work better with the K20z3 head, and we should be able to pull 70-80hp. Also, you must take in to account that these are not just peak gains, you gain just about 30hp over the entire power band above about 2500rpms. Vs. a turbo would only boost power over 5-6000 rpms.

11-11-2006, 06:31 PM	#78 (permalink)
mjh/sms Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 189 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Yea those are Rotora Big brakes, we're going to do a kit for the rear too.

11-11-2006, 09:53 PM	#80 (permalink)
mjh/sms Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 189 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Its a much larger front rotor, and thats a Rotora Big Brake Kit, we developed it almost a year ago. If you're interested in one shoot howie@mjhsound.com an email. Its a 6-piston The rear will be a 2-pitson, slightly larger rotor (not significant) but it will be slotted as well. You will lose your ebrake though if you run the rear brake setup as well. If you want exact sizes please email me sales@mjhsound.com, ill find out for you