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**Qshooter151** · 01-21-2008, 08:09 PM

got the code...

P2101 TAC motor CKT range

xfactorwrx · 01-21-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Qshooter151

hey Emmanuel i have a question. my car was idling for a lil over an hr today then all of the sudden it starting idling up and down. i revved it up once to see if it would stop but it didn't. it wouldn't stop till i turned it off. i also have a CEL. i restarted the car immediatly and it idled fine. no loose hoses or anything. i'm going to get the code read now. be back in a bit. any idea what the hell happened?

uneven vanes will make the idle fluctuate. during that hr period of idleing it probably couldn't find a steady idle flow to learn so it just starting going up and down. but pull that code you never know.

xfactorwrx · 01-21-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Qshooter151

got the code...

P2101 Throttle Actuator Ctrl Motor Circ Range/Perf

mmm... weird.

**Qshooter151** · 01-21-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by xfactorwrx

mmm... weird.

that's not it. copy n pasted the wrong one. i edited my post...

it's- P2101 TAC motor CKT range/perf

something to do with the throttle actuator control

caveman74 · 01-21-2008, 08:16 PM

do you have a leak anywhere?

**Qshooter151** · 01-21-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by caveman74

do you have a leak anywhere?

no. everything is tight.

**CaliGuy** · 01-21-2008, 08:21 PM

Have you reset the ECU and done the learn procedure?

**Qshooter151** · 01-21-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliGuy

Have you reset the ECU and done the learn procedure?

yep, did that yesterday. my boy Crack is lookin the code up now. he'll chime in here in a sec...

***"Ridge"Racer*** · 01-21-2008, 08:25 PM

hmmm i have an obdII scanner, let me see...

**CrackThatTec45** · 01-21-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Qshooter151

yep, did that yesterday. my boy Crack is lookin the code up now. he'll chime in here in a sec...

i have a few ideas it could be in my head...........i wanna research some more before i chime in

Get your ass over here and bring that intake of yours

udumkid · 01-21-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Qshooter151

that's not it. copy n pasted the wrong one. i edited my post...

it's- P2101 TAC motor CKT range/perf

something to do with the throttle actuator control

The electronic throttle control system (ETCS) controls the throttle valve opening. The system is composed of the throttle
actuator, the throttle valve, throttle position (TP) sensors A and B, the throttle actuator control module, the ETCS control
relay, the accelerator pedal position (APP) sensor, and the engine control module (ECM).
The APP sensor is operated via the throttle cable to determine the accelerator opening value when the driver presses the
accelerator pedal. The accelerator pedal opening value is converted to a signal in the APP sensor and transmitted to the
ECM to compute the target position. The target position signal is then transmitted to the throttle actuator control module.
The throttle actuator control module determines the throttle valve target position according to the signal received and operates
the throttle actuator to move the throttle valve to the target position. The actual throttle valve position is determined by
TP sensor A installed in the throttle body.
The throttle actuator control module compares the throttle valve target opening angle and the actual throttle valve opening
angle from TP sensor A, and when the difference exceeds the specification, the throttle actuator control module transmits the
malfunction data to the ECM. When the ECM receives the malfunction data from the throttle actuator control module, the
ECM detects the malfunction of the throttle actuator system and a DTC is stored.

udumkid · 01-21-2008, 09:12 PM

Also Check for poor connections or loose terminals at the throttle body.

Pm me if you any assistance.

**Qshooter151** · 01-21-2008, 11:04 PM

thanks Rene. yeah, the problem is definitely with the throttle body. the manual said to check for loose connections, and to test it with a HDS. if code is still appearing then clean the throttle body.

stock airbox is now back in and i had the code cleared. if it happens again, i'll take it to Honda. my brother works there so i get treated well.

dwm5f5 · 01-22-2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Qshooter151

thanks Rene. yeah, the problem is definitely with the throttle body. the manual said to check for loose connections, and to test it with a HDS. if code is still appearing then clean the throttle body.

stock airbox is now back in and i had the code cleared. if it happens again, i'll take it to Honda. my brother works there so i get treated well.

I had this EXACT problem about 2 days after installing my old Weapon R intake...problem immediately disappeared after returning to stock. I'd put money on that it isn't your tb, but a problem with your vanes.

***MrKaz*** · 01-22-2008, 11:19 AM

Qshooter151- Do you have pictures of the vains by any chance? I really want to do this DIY, however, I am scared I will have problems.. (plus I already bought all my supplies

) .. Thanks for the help.

NIGHTHAWKSI · 01-22-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dwm5f5

I had this EXACT problem about 2 days after installing my old Weapon R intake...problem immediately disappeared after returning to stock. I'd put money on that it isn't your tb, but a problem with your vanes.

i doubt its with teh vanes...people have aftermarket intakes that have no vanes, people have completely gutted their intakes(including removing the vanes) and i have done pretty much the exact same thing as qhooter and i dont think any of us have experienced a problem such as this.

missing/defective vanes may cause the car to have a bad a/f...but it should not cause any kind of jerky idle.

i think this is just a coincidence of somthing wrong with the throttle body.

dwm5f5 · 01-22-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NIGHTHAWKSI

i doubt its with teh vanes...people have aftermarket intakes that have no vanes, people have completely gutted their intakes(including removing the vanes) and i have done pretty much the exact same thing as qhooter and i dont think any of us have experienced a problem such as this.

missing/defective vanes may cause the car to have a bad a/f...but it should not cause any kind of jerky idle.

i think this is just a coincidence of somthing wrong with the throttle body.

On the contrary, several users on this site (including myself) have had problem with aftermarket intakes causing this idle behavior...a search for intake problems on this site will confirm that. X, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is one of the major problems that prompted you to create your own intake. Yes, missing/defective vanes cause a bad a/f...and that causes the poor idle.

Even if Qshooter's problem was unique, you're saying that a completely different problem with the tb occurred within inches of modification of the MAP sensor and there is no connection between the two? And a return to the stock intake corrected the problem? I really doubt it.

***Phalanx*** · 01-22-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dwm5f5

Even if Qshooter's problem was unique, you're saying that a completely different problem with the tb occurred within inches of modification of the MAP sensor and there is no connection between the two? And a return to the stock intake corrected the problem? I really doubt it.

im gonna have to agree w/ this one. thats almost TOO much of a coincidence.
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Also, Jordan... I still think part of your issue (with low readings) is partially due to your 70mm exhaust. That piping just might be too large and with the amount of flow through the exhaust, the actual air may not be being forced out because of the larger piping (i know what i mean but i dont know how to express it)

However... after thinking about it more... if you had this issue then Will wouldve had it as well, so i could easily be wrong. But the larger piping could also explain Oriol's 'low' numbers as well.... i dunno.

We'll just need to go to bristol again. try and convince them not to sell their dyno equipment.
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Have you recieved the email yet with your charts? i havent got mine yet

dwm5f5 · 01-22-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PhalanX

However... after thinking about it more... if you had this issue then Will wouldve had it as well, so i could easily be wrong. But the larger piping could also explain Oriol's 'low' numbers as well.... i dunno.

From what I've seen, we all may have the same cars with the same engines...but there are huge differences between how they act. Earlier in this thread there were people with huge differences in stock power. And, as nighthawk pointed out, there are Si's that work great with aem/injen/etc

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Qshooter151 Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY Posts: 18,284 Jordan iTrader: 29 / 100%	thanks Rene. yeah, the problem is definitely with the throttle body. the manual said to check for loose connections, and to test it with a HDS. if code is still appearing then clean the throttle body. stock airbox is now back in and i had the code cleared. if it happens again, i'll take it to Honda. my brother works there so i get treated well. __________________ Wanna go to VA and get crabs? click here Poughkeepsie, NY--->weekly meet, click here *New rules for selling items on 8thcivic effective 8/1/08...click here*

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udumkid Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 13.8@102mph N/A untuned Posts: 2,920 Rene.... iTrader: 8 / 100%	Also Check for poor connections or loose terminals at the throttle body. Pm me if you any assistance.

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*MrKaz* Halt American Polizei! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 163 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Qshooter151- Do you have pictures of the vains by any chance? I really want to do this DIY, however, I am scared I will have problems.. (plus I already bought all my supplies ) .. Thanks for the help.