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Old 05-04-2009, 12:29 AM   #181 (permalink)
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hmmmm i thought the innovatives would be better than these but im thinking about getting these now
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Old 05-04-2009, 12:30 AM   #182 (permalink)
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the innovatives might be too much for what im looking for i had the ETD and hated it not for the vibrations though
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Old 05-04-2009, 12:40 AM   #183 (permalink)
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innovative does the exact same thing, just a different way. There is no such thing as "be too much".
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Old 05-04-2009, 02:35 AM   #184 (permalink)
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i like how boomba replaces the front/rear mounts. thats the way the engine shakes.
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Old 05-04-2009, 02:46 AM   #185 (permalink)
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you mean top and bottom mounts.
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Old 05-04-2009, 04:08 AM   #186 (permalink)
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The front and rear mounts are both on the bottom. The sides are up top. There is also something as having too much. The vibrations cause by an ETD are alot more mellow compared to having the Boomba mounts installed. If all you have is an intake and installing an ETD would eliminate your wheel hop when at the race track, then having Boomba mounts would be too much since you don't need such an aggressive modification to correct you problem.
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Old 05-04-2009, 04:16 AM   #187 (permalink)
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There are 3 motor mounts (that carry the weight of the engine) front and sides.

There are torque dampers that is the rear (oil pan) and top (near the top frame), which actually keeps the engine from rocking back and forth.

Boomba is slightly more expensive than an ETD, so why not just get it? It gives you room for more mods down the line without worrying about wheel hop. I believe an ETD would have more vibrations than Boomba due to most of the support is coming from the top and the top torque damper is the closest to the firewall.
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Old 05-04-2009, 04:18 AM   #188 (permalink)
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i've had these for 2 weeks and from 1-2.5k rpms i notice its slightly louder but other then that its 95% just like i was before. its fantastic. vibrantions are nealry gone and the wheel hop is 100000000000000% gone. this is the best mod i have ever done.
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Old 05-04-2009, 04:33 AM   #189 (permalink)
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Old 05-04-2009, 04:39 AM   #190 (permalink)
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There are 3 motor mounts (that carry the weight of the engine) front and sides.

There are torque dampers that is the rear (oil pan) and top (near the top frame), which actually keeps the engine from rocking back and forth.

Boomba is slightly more expensive than an ETD, so why not just get it? It gives you room for more mods down the line without worrying about wheel hop. I believe an ETD would have more vibrations than Boomba due to most of the support is coming from the top and the top torque damper is the closest to the firewall.
There's your mistake. An ETD in no way gives off more vibrations than the Boomba mounts. There's that killer rpm (not sure since I took my mounts back out) 3400 I believe which will prove my point, along with running it to redline at WOP . Even though the dogbone is considered a torque mount, all it sees is a slight torsion motion as compared to what the front and rear mounts absorb themselves.

Alot of people don't get mounts because of the amount of engine vibration transfer into the cabin. That's like saying if your car was setup for road racing and your head had stock ports and a T-80 turbo was 10 bucks more than a Gt30R would you still get the T-80 turbo? Or if your motor was stock and you were replacing your clutch and a stage 3 unsprung clutch was 1 dollar more than an OEM replacement. Would you get it? You might but to each his own. Do what tickles your own pickle and no one elses. With that said, there IS such thing as having "too much".

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Old 05-04-2009, 04:45 AM   #192 (permalink)
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i've had these for 2 weeks and from 1-2.5k rpms i notice its slightly louder but other then that its 95% just like i was before. its fantastic. vibrantions are nealry gone and the wheel hop is 100000000000000% gone. this is the best mod i have ever done.
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There's your mistake. An ETD in no way gives off more vibrations than the Boomba mounts. There's that killer rpm (not sure since I took my mounts back out) 3400 I believe which will prove my point, along with running it to redline at WOP . Even though the dogbone is considered a torque mount, all it sees is a slight torsion motion as compared to what the front and rear mounts absorb themselves.

Alot of people don't get mounts because of the amount of engine vibration transfer into the cabin. That's like saying if your car was setup for road racing and your head had stock ports and a T-80 turbo was 10 bucks more than a Gt30R would you still get the T-80 turbo? Or if your motor was stock and you were replacing your clutch and a stage 3 unsprung clutch was 1 dollar more than an OEM replacement. Would you get it? You might but to each his own. Do what tickles your own pickle and no one elses. With that said, there IS such thing as having "too much".
Nope, that was his testimonial, and I know of others around here that says it feels only a bit more vibrations than usual. I also know of people with Innovative (75a) and vibrations ONLY occur at take off.

The two torque dampers dampen the engine equally, right? So once you replace the top mount, the engine now transfers all the "movement" to the top one now due to it being stiffer. The top ETD now occurs pretty much the MOST of the load. Guess where the load is closest to? The cabin.

So you were saying?
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Oh and before you say anything, the guy above, is Supercharged.
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Nope, that was his testimonial, and I know of others around here that says it feels only a bit more vibrations than usual. I also know of people with Innovative (75a) and vibrations ONLY occur at take off.

The two torque dampers dampen the engine equally, right? So once you replace the top mount, the engine now transfers all the "movement" to the top one now due to it being stiffer. The top ETD now occurs pretty much the MOST of the load. Guess where the load is closest to? The cabin.

So you were saying?
You're right about the ETD being closest to the cabin. But that doesn't mean that it's gonna transfer more engine vibration that having the front and rear engine mounts replaced with aftermarket ones. The ETD is a dampener... the mounts are hardened urethane.

You quoted him and said your technical info as if you're really saying that the ETD transfers more engine vibration into the cabin than if you were to replace 3 motor mounts. If you are then I'm sorry to whoever reads your misleading information. But just like how you know of people with the innovative mounts, I know of people with the ETD and the boomba mounts. And not one of them have stated that the ETD gives off more vibration than the Boomba mounts.

So what I'm saying is...

There is something as "too much".

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Old 05-04-2009, 04:55 AM   #195 (permalink)
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Oh and before you say anything, the guy above, is Supercharged.
Him being supercharged makes no difference. Because the increase in engine vibration to the cabin with my car which is n/a was the same with to1717si's car... which is supercharged also.
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You're right about the ETD being closest to the cabin. But that doesn't mean that it's gonna transfer more engine vibration that having the front and rear engine mounts replaced with aftermarket ones. The ETD is a dampener... the mounts are hardened urethane.

You quoted him and said your technical info as if you're really saying that the ETD transfers more engine vibration into the cabin than if you were to replace all 4 motor mounts. If you are then I'm sorry to whoever reads your misleading information. But just like how you know of people with the innovative mounts, I know of people with the ETD and the boomba mounts. And not one of them have stated that the ETD gives off more vibration than the Boomba mounts.

So what I'm saying is...

There is something as "too much".
4 motor mounts? Boomba only changes 3, Innovative only changes 3. You take your pick of which mounts you decide to change. (except the front, which both companies change)

I've been in a car with boomba and 75a innovative and I honestly didn't know they had motor mounts until they told me. The torque damper however was a different story, I felt it.. subtle, but I knew it was there.

Too much is subjective, if you want to reduce wheel hop with full mounts then do however way you want.. but for the money, Boomba beats an ETD anyday.
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4 motor mounts? Boomba only changes 3, Innovative only changes 3. You take your pick of which mounts you decide to change. (except the front, which both companies change)

I've been in a car with boomba and 75a innovative and I honestly didn't know they had motor mounts until they told me. The torque damper however was a different story, I felt it.. subtle, but I knew it was there.

Too much is subjective, if you want to reduce wheel hop with full mounts then do however way you want.. but for the money, Boomba beats an ETD anyday.
Statement corrected.

I've also been in cars with the ETD, dogbone and boomba mounts and I've noticed it right when they start their cars. And when the boomba mounts calm down after about 2 or so weeks of driving, they're still more noticable than an ETD coming from not just my mouth, but of the drivers that have done to the modifications also. You're right, too much is subjective and boomba mounts are not that much more than the price of an ETD, but like I said in response to you saying that there was nothing as "too much", whatever tickles your pickle.

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Old 05-04-2009, 08:22 AM   #198 (permalink)
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Old 05-04-2009, 09:58 AM   #199 (permalink)
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I'm sorry, but with an ETD installed, your front brace mount and rear oil pan mount are going to take MORE abuse since the etd is going to resist movement, therefore the top of the engine isn't moving as much, but the bottom of it most certainly is.

I had both an ETD on full stiffness and now i have boomba mounts. These mounts vibrate worse at all ranges of idle to WOT vtec, to taking off from a stop etc.

The ETD was hardly noticable at all.
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I def want these mounts but this is my DD so...I'm alittle worried about the vibrations because I carpool as well to work =)
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