R18 is plenty fast for me.

[feegeebloo]

for those of you saying that the gas mileage is worth the difference between the r18 and the k20z3 i say two things:

1. HA!

2. i get 29+ mpg in my si, only current performance mod being skunk2 70mm...

from what i have seen in most replies, 32mpg average isn't really pwning my si's 29mpg... i've got more power with only a slight disadvantage in mpg... meaning that i'll pay $100 more per year in gas, than an r18 owner, but i'll definitely get everywhere faster...

[TcivicT3]

^ i'm assuming you get 29mpg without driving fast. i dont know if you're talking about highway or city but i get 26 driving around the city "fast". and how do you figure only $100 extra. Premium fuel costs ~$.20 more and according to you, your down 3 miles a gallon. I'm not trying to hate on the Si, i would love one over my r18. But i'm 17 and am lucky to even have this nice of a car.

[feegeebloo]

Originally Posted by TcivicT3

^ i'm assuming you get 29mpg without driving fast. i dont know if you're talking about highway or city but i get 26 driving around the city "fast". and how do you figure only $100 extra. Premium fuel costs ~$.20 more and according to you, your down 3 miles a gallon. I'm not trying to hate on the Si, i would love one over my r18. But i'm 17 and am lucky to even have this nice of a car.

define 'driving fast'...

i don't pretend i'm in a high speed chase like most people do around here, if that's what you mean... i use cruise control on the highway to/from work, but i kick it into vtec at least 4 times per day...

[splew]

Originally Posted by feegeebloo

for those of you saying that the gas mileage is worth the difference between the r18 and the k20z3 i say two things:

1. HA!

2. i get 29+ mpg in my si, only current performance mod being skunk2 70mm...

from what i have seen in most replies, 32mpg average isn't really pwning my si's 29mpg... i've got more power with only a slight disadvantage in mpg... meaning that i'll pay $100 more per year in gas, than an r18 owner, but i'll definitely get everywhere faster...

I get 34-37 on regular. I'd say that's a lot better than 29 on premium.

[feegeebloo]

Originally Posted by splew

I get 34-37 on regular. I'd say that's a lot better than 29 on premium.

octane does not equal efficiency...

[splew]

I know but octane does equal $$$.

[feegeebloo]

Originally Posted by splew

I know but octane does equal $$$.

sure does.... and i'll continue to pay that $$$ as long as i've got a car worthy of having it, such as the si... bottom line:

your comparison of octane has nothing to do with the mileage yield (but it does mean the k20 is a superior engine)

[splew]

Originally Posted by feegeebloo

sure does.... and i'll continue to pay that $$$ as long as i've got a car worthy of having it, such as the si... bottom line:

your comparison of octane has nothing to do with the mileage yield (but it does mean the k20 is a superior engine)

Yeah, I know mileage has nothing to do with octane, my point is that I'm getting better gas mileage on cheaper fuel. And as far as your Si being crazy fast, it's only 1.2 seconds faster to 60 than my 5MT coupe, so I think it's a reasonable trade off.

[feegeebloo]

Originally Posted by splew

Yeah, I know mileage has nothing to do with octane, my point is that I'm getting better gas mileage on cheaper fuel. And as far as your Si being crazy fast, it's only 1.2 seconds faster to 60 than my 5MT coupe, so I think it's a reasonable trade off.

i'll end my part here, because this is obviously an argument that will continue until the end of time (or until you get an si)...

yes, you get better gas mileage on cheaper fuel. i have a more powerful car that gets just a few mpg less.

i never said my si is 'crazy fast', so i don't know where you got that from, but i will say that i don't care about 0-60 times... i'm into auto-x and road racing, and the si covers well more than 1.2 seconds better on road courses than your r18...

the problem with this debate is that those with r18s are going to justify their decisions in any way possible, which is fine by me... the problem is that what should be happening is that you should enjoy your car, as i enjoy mine.... understand that the si was made as a superior car in every performance dimension imaginable, and that's just how it is.

i bet if you go to a vette forum you don't have base owners saying how much better their cars are to the z06 owners...

[RReuphoria]

This is a slut of a thread and a waste of server space. Quit caring so much about cars you don't own.

Both the R18 and the Si are slow by any sports car standard. Also:

Si Engine > R18 Engine
R18 tranny > Si Tranny (especially 3rd gear lawlz)
Poop > This thread

This thread should be locked.

[trickyazn]

Originally Posted by feegeebloo

the problem with this debate is that those with r18s are going to justify their decisions in any way possible, which is fine by me... the problem is that what should be happening is that you should enjoy your car, as i enjoy mine.... understand that the si was made as a superior car in every performance dimension imaginable, and that's just how it is.

i bet if you go to a vette forum you don't have base owners saying how much better their cars are to the z06 owners...

seriously. he speaks TRUTH

[feegeebloo]

Originally Posted by RReuphoria

R18 tranny > Si Tranny (especially 3rd gear lawlz)

not in every case... my 08 has one of the newer batch of trannys without any issues... and in every case, the si has lsd.

[trickyazn]

^ and 6th gear, and stronger clutch.

[splew]

Originally Posted by feegeebloo

i'll end my part here, because this is obviously an argument that will continue until the end of time (or until you get an si)...

yes, you get better gas mileage on cheaper fuel. i have a more powerful car that gets just a few mpg less.

i never said my si is 'crazy fast', so i don't know where you got that from, but i will say that i don't care about 0-60 times... i'm into auto-x and road racing, and the si covers well more than 1.2 seconds better on road courses than your r18...

the problem with this debate is that those with r18s are going to justify their decisions in any way possible, which is fine by me... the problem is that what should be happening is that you should enjoy your car, as i enjoy mine.... understand that the si was made as a superior car in every performance dimension imaginable, and that's just how it is.

i bet if you go to a vette forum you don't have base owners saying how much better their cars are to the z06 owners...

I never said the R18 was better than the Si, and I wasn't trying to justify my "choice". I didn't want my LX when I got it, I wanted an Si, but unfortunatly they cost too much to buy (every dealership in town was charging at least $3000 over sticker for the Si, and $1000 over sticker for the LX/EX), and they cost too much to insure (in case you didn't notice I'm only 18). I still wish I had an Si now but the point I'm trying to make is that the one area the R18 far superior to the Si is fuel economy, both that it requires cheaper fuel and that it uses less of it.

You should also think before you start talking down to R18 owners and bragging about how your car performs better, looks cooler, has more stuff, has a better engine, has "real" VTEC, ect. What you don't realize is that the vast majority of R18 owners on this forum don't drive Si because they couldn't afford it, not because they didn't want it. So just because you are lucky enough to have an Si doesn't give you the right to talk down to those of us who aren't.

BTW, your corvette argument, you do realize that the LS3 corvette's base price is around $46,000, the Z06 is $70,000. So for $24,000 you get 70 more horsepower, slightly bigger brakes with fixed calipers, wider tires and a harsher suspension. Would you rather have all that or 24 grand in the bank?

[ryker]

Originally Posted by feegeebloo

the problem with this debate is that those with ANY CAR are going to justify their decisions in any way possible, which is fine by me... the problem is that what should be happening is that you should enjoy your car, as i enjoy mine.... understand that the si was made as a superior car in every performance dimension imaginable, and that's just how it is.

i bet if you go to a vette forum you don't have base owners saying how much better their cars are to the z06 owners...

1st this what a thread started by an r18 owner to explain that he is pleased with his r18. Then the few asshat Si owners come in to hate.

Very few r18 owners respond to Si threads the way Si owners do to r18 owners. Almost every postive r18 thread becames - "my Si is better than your r18"

[trickyazn]

wow dont even get me started how the z06 is worth more then the corvette base.

[feegeebloo]

Originally Posted by splew

I never said the R18 was better than the Si, and I wasn't trying to justify my "choice". I didn't want my LX when I got it, I wanted an Si, but unfortunatly they cost too much to buy (every dealership in town was charging at least $3000 over sticker for the Si, and $1000 over sticker for the LX/EX), and they cost too much to insure (in case you didn't notice I'm only 18). I still wish I had an Si now but the point I'm trying to make is that the one area the R18 far superior to the Si is fuel economy, both that it requires cheaper fuel and that it uses less of it.

You should also think before you start talking down to R18 owners and bragging about how your car performs better, looks cooler, has more stuff, has a better engine, has "real" VTEC, ect. What you don't realize is that the vast majority of R18 owners on this forum don't drive Si because they couldn't afford it, not because they didn't want it. So just because you are lucky enough to have an Si doesn't give you the right to talk down to those of us who aren't.

BTW, your corvette argument, you do realize that the LS3 corvette's base price is around $46,000, the Z06 is $70,000. So for $24,000 you get 70 more horsepower, slightly bigger brakes with fixed calipers, wider tires and a harsher suspension. Would you rather have all that or 24 grand in the bank?

well somebody put their big boy pants on this morning...

i'll address the points separately:

r18 = far superior gas mileage

whatever you say chief. like i said, 3 mpg on average, even with regular gas is far from superior performance... i drove to san fran from dallas and back with my last si, and we got 34 over the whole trip... its all about how you drive.

me 'bragging' about having a superior car

use your mad phat interweb skillz to check out my first post on this thread... i simply made a statement refuting the claims of r18s being superior to si's because of the gas mileage, etc... i havent talked down to anyone, aside from you since you obviously don't know how to make relevant comparisons... most of those things you mentioned haven't even been addressed by me.

the vette argument

i, and i think i speak for most here, would rather have the z06... those who can drop 72k on the z06 aren't looking at the 24k difference, just as i wasn't looking at the price difference on civics, because the si was the only acceptable car for me.... my point is that most vette owners, and this probably has to do with age, can step back from their egos and bow out to a superior car without making asinine comparisons of gas mileage when it has nothing to do with the conversation of performance...

[feegeebloo]

Originally Posted by ryker

1st this what a thread started by an r18 owner to explain that he is pleased with his r18. Then the few asshat Si owners come in to hate.

Very few r18 owners respond to Si threads the way Si owners do to r18 owners. Almost every postive r18 thread becames - "my Si is better than your r18"

i have no beef with all the cool r18 owners out there... i do take exception to, to use your term, 'asshat' r18 owners that use supposedly 'far superior' gas mileage and the fact that the r18 would beat an si in the corners with only a suspension swap...

i didn't come in here bashing all r18 owners, just those making stupid justifications instead of just conceding that the cars are made for different purposes...

[splew]

Originally Posted by ryker

1st this what a thread started by an r18 owner to explain that he is pleased with his r18. Then the few asshat Si owners come in to hate.

Very few r18 owners respond to Si threads the way Si owners do to r18 owners. Almost every postive r18 thread becames - "my Si is better than your r18"

Exactly, like I said before, I drive an R18 because I couldn't afford an Si, not because I didn't want one (and don't start saying "the Si only costs $4000 more", because you can't get one for sticker price where I live). The whole reason R18 owners start these threads is to focus on the positive points of our cars. We don't need all you douche bags posting about how your Si is so much better than all the R18 threads.

So as a general guideline, if you drive an Si, don't post anything in R18 threads unless it's positive, because it's no different than a guy driving a Ferrari laughing at a guy driving a Daewoo.

[splew]

Originally Posted by feegeebloo

i have no beef with all the cool r18 owners out there... i do take exception to, to use your term, 'asshat' r18 owners that use supposedly 'far superior' gas mileage and the fact that the r18 would beat an si in the corners with only a suspension swap...

i didn't come in here bashing all r18 owners, just those making stupid justifications instead of just conceding that the cars are made for different purposes...

Wow, its amazing how you never seem to understand what I am trying too say.

If you really would have read my post then you would have realized that I admitted that the Si was superior.(there do you feel better now?) I also said that I DON'T DRIVE AN SI BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD TO. This is the case with most of the R18 owners on this forum. So If you don't have anything positive to say on R18 threads then stay the hell out of R18 threads and stop rubbing in how lucky you are to have a better, more expensive car.