R18 is plenty fast for me.

[Kurt]

My s2k is pretty quick.. The only thing I miss from my R18 is the sound system.

[Phlipcyde]

My first car was a 95 escort with 160k miles. I dont know the specs but that car couldn't have been pushing 90hp brand new. Thing is, is that car could get up to 75mph np (the maximum speed limit nearby). That car would also easily get 40+ mpg, with a 16yo driver who always floored it. I have since upgraded and now have a 06 civic EX with which I am lucky to average 35mpg, which is actually quite good considering the hp and my driving methods. Although, I honestly kind of wish that there was a civic with a weaker engine that had 90hp, but using the technology we have now, put down like 45-50 mpg average as a non hybrid. I don't think i'm the only one who feels this way and I think there would be the market for this kind of car with fuel as expensive as it is.

No hate to the SI guys, its a fantastic car, and I can completely understand wanting to buy it for a mix of performance and economy. Performance just isn't my thing, getting from A to B, safely and in a decent looking ride is, lol.

[mistuhyimstuh]

Originally Posted by trickyazn

roflmao are you freaking SERIOUS?! the mazda 3 will dust your car.. a manual mz3 will dust a manual r18 hands down more torque and similar if not more power.

and lancer? your talking about the old one right? a lancer ralliart will make you eat your words.. more power and more torque by FAR. an auto ralliart will dust a manual r18. and this isnt even talking about the new lancer, which is now as fast as a wrx.. say bye bye to your little r18.. its in the same class as a yaris, ,fit corolla, and minivans in terms of speed.

btw a gti has approx same amount of power as a si stock but it has much more torque due to its turbo.. is it MUCH faster? no it still runs ~14 on the 1/4.. does it feel much faster? yes. now give the SI i/h/e/r and thats a race..

you also have to consider the weight on the lancer and the mazda though

[dattebayo]

I own an r18. I don't think that it's a slow car. It's always strong on freeways and the engine feels smooth too. You feel it's power in stop and go traffic.

I had this weird experience with an old mustang (1999 model). We were at a complete stop waiting for the green light. To make the story short, I dusted him. Is it possible? I know the mustang accelerated so hard coz I heard the engine roared but I beat him.

[nayilsi]

Originally Posted by dattebayo

I own an r18. I don't think that it's a slow car. It's always strong on freeways and the engine feels smooth too. You feel it's power in stop and go traffic.

I had this weird experience with an old mustang (1999 model). We were at a complete stop waiting for the green light. To make the story short, I dusted him. Is it possible? I know the mustang accelerated so hard coz I heard the engine roared but I beat him.

Yea it is possible.....

[habitat]

Originally Posted by dattebayo

I own an r18. I don't think that it's a slow car. It's always strong on freeways and the engine feels smooth too. You feel it's power in stop and go traffic.

I had this weird experience with an old mustang (1999 model). We were at a complete stop waiting for the green light. To make the story short, I dusted him. Is it possible? I know the mustang accelerated so hard coz I heard the engine roared but I beat him.

Even the V6 model goes 0-60 in 7.3 seconds... nearly as fast as an SI... so he/she was most likely not racing you. Maybe the guy just had intake/exhaust so it was louder than normal.

[AdamLXCIV]

Yeah, I LOVE my R18, but would love to have an Si. Maybe after I pay it off.

I agree with the person that said you can feel the power in stop and go traffic. It is pretty quick off the start, and it's awesome for freeway driving. The engine is more silent than a Navy SEAL. Sometimes I forget if I turned the car or not.

[IceWindius]

Last time I checked, federal speed regulations are mean't to keep everyone alive and save gas, not to go fast. So if you think your "cool" to be going over the speed limit wether it be a 95 LX or a Saleen, you're a fool and its gonna cost you or someone else dearly.

[Special Ringpop]

I test drove an EX-L coupe with navi and an automatic last night.

I was a bit disappointed by the power, even by 4 cylinder automatic standards. I felt the Chevy Aveo rental I had was a bit zippier, but that could be because of the weight, who knows.

It wasn't bad, by any means, but I would miss downshifting a few gears and hauling ass past the idiots who don't know how to drive properly.

[JoeKool]

Why are we at war with each other? R18 or SI doesnt matter....its a Civic. You have a Civic, I have a Civic. Your SI is a CIVIC my R18 is a CIVIC...we all drive the same cars so lets get along and act as a team against the neon (what a joke) owners or any other mfg. owners against us. We are all on 8thcivic.com beacuse we all drive a CIVIC i dont see the reason for the civil war

[Special Ringpop]

^ Agreed.

Except for the animosity towards other car companies. A little healthy competition is fine, but I love cars, period...not just a particular badge. I can find something nice about any car.

[simplicated1979]

It's not necessarily about the si model vs the r18 engine...I'm sure some understands clearly what the different trim levels are about. haha...lx, ex, si and some rare dx are the different options honda offer. There is also a price difference also for a reason. Every car company has a similar pattern in what they sell. There is no reason to bash any car for what it is period...hahaha you guys crack me up all the time...should be ashamed of yourselves...If you mommy invited guest over to your house and your picking fights with your brother rolling on the floor and shit...what would the guest think of your house hold...???

[gx4th]

Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

I was a bit disappointed by the power, even by 4 cylinder automatic standards. I felt the Chevy Aveo rental I had was a bit zippier, but that could be because of the weight, who knows.

Aveo? AVEO!? Heathen! Heretic! You're condemned to the flames!

jk, never had someone say the r18 is slower than chevy's Fit rival.

[ryker]

Originally Posted by Johnold

I've never been in an R18 before but you have to drive an Si to see what the hype is all about. Si=Sport Injected FOR A REASON. When you hit Vtec in an Si, you have to pay attention and clean your pants later LOL. it's a whole different animal I promise you. The Si is legendary.

Umm "hitting vtec" doesn't provided a huge increase in power.. Check out the flat dyno curve.

The only cleaning that is done is from the wallet as you toss away MPG's.

[Johnold]

Originally Posted by ryker

Umm "hitting vtec" doesn't provided a huge increase in power.. Check out the flat dyno curve.

The only cleaning that is done is from the wallet as you toss away MPG's.

^sighs......I'm done.

[habitat]

Originally Posted by ryker

Umm "hitting vtec" doesn't provided a huge increase in power.. Check out the flat dyno curve.

The only cleaning that is done is from the wallet as you toss away MPG's.

He was talking about the SI... and there is a huge bump in power after the VTEC cam shift. Look at the chart.

Performance cam engages at 5800RPM, @ ~125hp and by the time it hits 6800RPM we see a near 40HP jump to ~162hp followed by the max 180hp found at 7800RPM.



Bigger one here: http://image.automobilemag.com/f/fea...dyno_chart.jpg

[ryker]

Originally Posted by habitat

No, it is that simple, 3.5 liter SOHC motor 244 hp @ 5750 rpm/240 ft-lbs. @ 5000 rpm. It has more power and gets it sooner, and even weighing in at more than 2 tons, it has a better weight to power ratio than the Civic.
Unless if the gearing on the Odyssey is completely set for economy (making it non-drivable), the Odyssey 5A vs Civic 5A are comparable.
If you take both cars with their standard A/S crap tires, the Odyssey will win.
.

The math is not that simple you can't just use one single peak number and the weight.

The r18 has a nice flat torque band and a 6800rpm redline which is why it can out perform other cars with same peak power of 140hp. Also why the Si can out do the GTI which has more power and torque peak.

The math requires measuring each gears output with the correct RPM dyno spec and the weight of the car.

[ryker]

Originally Posted by habitat

He was talking about the SI... and there is a huge bump in power after the VTEC cam shift. Look at the chart.

Performance cam engages at 5800RPM, @ ~125hp and by the time it hits 6800RPM we see a near 40HP jump to ~162hp followed by the max 180hp found at 7800RPM.

Power is torque. Notice the torque band remains near flat.

[trickyazn]

Originally Posted by ryker

Power is torque. Notice the torque band remains near flat.

wow.. when someone suggest power they USUALLY refer to horsepower.. talk to evo/sti/ferrari owners and ask them how much "power" they have.. ill bet you my SI that they wont respond with xxx amount of torque.

and to your post above that, a SI can't outdo a GTI, you seriously have your info mixed up buddy.

[habitat]

Originally Posted by ryker

The math is not that simple you can't just use one single peak number and the weight.

The r18 has a nice flat torque band and a 6800rpm redline which is why it can out perform other cars with same peak power of 140hp. Also why the Si can out do the GTI which has more power and torque peak.

The math requires measuring each gears output with the correct RPM dyno spec and the weight of the car.

I don't care how flat you think your torque band is, if you think a SOHC motor with larger displacement somehow spikes to 244lb/ft at 5000rpm, you're crazy.

Originally Posted by ryker

Power is torque. Notice the torque band remains near flat.

Your beloved "flat torque curve" is due to the performance cam switch. Maybe you failed to realize that 100% of dyno charts show torque tapering down after it's intersection with the HP curve @ 5252rpm? So if you can imagine the K20Z3 using only the performance cam profile from 0rpm-8000rpm, you'd see the max torque peak sooner then take a dip at 5252RPM. Why? MATH BUDDY.

Power refers to Horse power. Torque refers to rotational force. Drive an old Diesel mercedes, you'll get it through your head why HP and Torque figures complement one another.