R18 is plenty fast for me.

[jlannoo]

Originally Posted by gx4th

huh? no, honda element owners don't take showers

Why the hell is their manual sunroof at the back of the car where you cant reach it? while all the other Hondas have power roofs that you can reach!

Its Evil

[AllShowNoGo]

Originally Posted by splew

$300 on the speakers, $20 on the caliper paint, $30 on the exhaust tip.
If you add that to the rims thats $1060, still not enough to even get me into an EX.

ok when ur financing ur car, $4000 is like pocket change compared to what ur paying for the car, IMO.

[AllShowNoGo]

Originally Posted by ryker

Then you would probably be just as happy with the r18's power.

but i dont have an r18. i have a k20

[AllShowNoGo]

Originally Posted by splew

Jeeze man you just don't give a guy a break. I wanted a new car. I wanted a civic. I wanted a manual. I wanted an Si but after I couldn't find a good price on one I decided an LX manual would do. In hindsight it was a bad decision. But hindsight is always 20/20, do you mean to tell me you never make mistakes?
BTW the Fit wasn't out yet.

oh so now your story changes. at first u said u needed a car "ASAP", now u were only looking at hondas?

and btw, i dont make obvious mistakes.

[feegeebloo]

Originally Posted by AllShowNoGo

oh so now your story changes. at first u said u needed a car "ASAP", now u were only looking at hondas?

and btw, i dont make obvious mistakes.

did you miss the 'kumbaya' session?

[SilverBulletGTP]

I went from a lightly modded Pontiac Grand Prix GTP that was a mid-high 13 second car to my stick shift R18. It took me a month to get used to having very little power under 4,000 RPM but after a while you get used to it. By the time I was looking to get rid of my Grand Prix I was a much slower driver than I used to be. If I want to drive something pretty quick, I'll just borrow my mom's BMW 545i. Besides with all the traffic congestion and strict traffic laws in Ontario, it's pretty hard to find a stretch of road to let her rip regardless of having a fast car or not.

[Phillycivicsi]

i beat my friends ex with my si when it was stock by 2.5 cars he has a stick shift
the si aint crazy fast
jus like the impreza wrx and the wrx sti two different engine output but same body
but i like honda for atleast having a si upgrade
toyota doesnt even have a car to compete with the si recently
and the r 18 is pretty quick after bolt ons
probably can run mid 14's after i/h/e

[Phillycivicsi]

YouTube - Honda Civic R18 Turbo Video

[SilverBulletGTP]

and the r 18 is pretty quick after bolt ons
probably can run mid 14's after i/h/e

I highly doubt that. First off, most intakes don't do anything on the R18 if anything it restricts it more. You're best to leave the stock air box alone and play with the ducting after it. Remove the resonator in the fender, then pull the snorkel pipe off the top of the resonator. Buy a 9" long 2" piece of ABS pipe and some gear clamps. Stick that into the pipe coming out of the air box, then put the snorkel on the other end of the ABS pipe. Make sure you angle the end of it foreword and you will get cooler air from the fender wall. I've noticed 100 km more per tank of gas so far. I haven't done it yet but you can also replace your filter with a K&N.

Second, you can not buy a header for this engine. It is built into the head and exits into a 2.5 - 3 inch (not sure on exact diameter) collector/down pipe with a cat 3 inches down. Doing any post-cat exhaust work is redundant, the only thing it will do is make noise.

You could do a tune to this engine and play around with your fuel/vtec but you can't really do much else. Whoever told you that you could get mid 14 seconds out of doing 3 bolt-on's with one being impossible is an oaf with a mouth. You'd be lucky to get under mid 15s re-routing the intake and having a tune done.

[Phillycivicsi]

Originally Posted by SilverBulletGTP

I highly doubt that. First off, most intakes don't do anything on the R18 if anything it restricts it more. You're best to leave the stock air box alone and play with the ducting after it. Remove the resonator in the fender, then pull the snorkel pipe off the top of the resonator. Buy a 9" long 2" piece of ABS pipe and some gear clamps. Stick that into the pipe coming out of the air box, then put the snorkel on the other end of the ABS pipe. Make sure you angle the end of it foreword and you will get cooler air from the fender wall. I've noticed 100 km more per tank of gas so far. I haven't done it yet but you can also replace your filter with a K&N.

Second, you can not buy a header for this engine. It is built into the head and exits into a 2.5 - 3 inch (not sure on exact diameter) collector/down pipe with a cat 3 inches down. Doing any post-cat exhaust work is redundant, the only thing it will do is make noise.

You could do a tune to this engine and play around with your fuel/vtec but you can't really do much else. Whoever told you that you could get mid 14 seconds out of doing 3 bolt-on's with one being impossible is an oaf with a mouth. You'd be lucky to get under mid 15s re-routing the intake and having a tune done.

whoops my bad
i said probably
im jus appreciatin the r 18 and k20 and honda
but thanks for clearin that up ur right on the money

[SilverBulletGTP]

Originally Posted by Phillycivicsi

YouTube - Honda Civic R18 Turbo Video

Waste of money, better to either buy the Si and mod it or swap engines. Like I said before the R18 was really meant to be left stock.

Edit: Here's some pics of what I did with the intake if any are curious.

Before:


After:

[Special Ringpop]

I am shaking my head over the need for so many of you to justify why A is better than B.

Their both Civics in the end, I don't care if one is better or worse. Your better is someone else's worst, and their better is your worse.

To pretend you're the only view who is right is just idiocy. It may be right for you, but you can't say that it's better for everyone.

[ryker]

Originally Posted by SilverBulletGTP

Waste of money, better to either buy the Si and mod it or swap engines. Like I said before the R18 was really meant to be left stock.

Edit: Here's some pics of what I did with the intake if any are curious.

After:

Did you have to pull the bumper off to remove the resonator? I'd like to by-pass the resonator and pull some of the cooler air from the bottom of the bumper.

[Firestrife]

Originally Posted by ryker

Did you have to pull the bumper off to remove the resonator? I'd like to by-pass the resonator and pull some of the cooler air from the bottom of the bumper.

while it is possible to remove it all from the fender well it is also much harder to reach things. So i recommend actually removing the bumper.

[AllShowNoGo]

Originally Posted by Phillycivicsi

i beat my friends ex with my si when it was stock by 2.5 cars he has a stick shift
the si aint crazy fast
jus like the impreza wrx and the wrx sti two different engine output but same body
but i like honda for atleast having a si upgrade
toyota doesnt even have a car to compete with the si recently
and the r 18 is pretty quick after bolt ons
probably can run mid 14's after i/h/e

i dont know about anyone else, but for me, the Si is QUICK, not fast. and beating it by 2.5 cars sounds about right.

[AllShowNoGo]

Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

I am shaking my head over the need for so many of you to justify why A is better than B.

Their both Civics in the end, I don't care if one is better or worse. Your better is someone else's worst, and their better is your worse.

To pretend you're the only view who is right is just idiocy. It may be right for you, but you can't say that it's better for everyone.

you're absolutely right. the thing that bothers me, though, is when people start dissing on each other (ie r18 owners dissing k20 owners and vice versa, but mainly the r18 owners talking smack to k20 owners). while the Si may not be THAT much faster or as fast as some Si owners with big egos think, it is THAT much better than the r18 in terms of every aspect (ie performance, interior, etc.). The k20 civic does have an Si badge for a reason. Think of it this way: if ALL civics came with the same k20 engine, would people spend the extra money on a civic with an Si badge, even though it has the same features as a regular civic?

[SilverBulletGTP]

Originally Posted by Firestrife

while it is possible to remove it all from the fender well it is also much harder to reach things. So i recommend actually removing the bumper.

It's not hard at all, just pull the tire off and un-do the wheel well and you'll have lots of room. The first screw is really easy, the other you need to crawl underneath with a small 1/4 inch drive ratchet and medium length extension. You'll have to feel your way around for the bolt but once you get hooked on it, just turn and it's really easy. IMO it would be more difficult and more time to go to the trouble of pulling off the whole bumper. Other than that one bolt, it's not difficult at all. However, I used to be an Apprentice Mechanic for VW before I switched careers and moved into IT so I'm used to tight spaces. You will also need to remove the battery and the plastic tray underneath it to un-do the two bolts that hold the top part of the pipe in. The muffler box was not hard at all to pull out from the fender wall, had to twist it comming out a little bit but not much. I'd recomend doing this though.

[splew]

Originally Posted by AllShowNoGo

ok when ur financing ur car, $4000 is like pocket change compared to what ur paying for the car, IMO.

Listen dude, we agreed to end the pissing contest last night, nobody was happy and everyone was getting wet, I guess you were offline already. So please don't post anymore R18 vs. Si comments in this thread. It is a stupid argument and it's just pissing everyone off.

[SilverBulletGTP]

Originally Posted by AllShowNoGo

you're absolutely right. the thing that bothers me, though, is when people start dissing on each other (ie r18 owners dissing k20 owners and vice versa, but mainly the r18 owners talking smack to k20 owners). while the Si may not be THAT much faster or as fast as some Si owners with big egos think, it is THAT much better than the r18 in terms of every aspect (ie performance, interior, etc.). The k20 civic does have an Si badge for a reason. Think of it this way: if ALL civics came with the same k20 engine, would people spend the extra money on a civic with an Si badge, even though it has the same features as a regular civic?

Yup, the K20 is much better for those who have performance in mind. There's a pretty decent aftermarket for that engine and there's lots to get power wise out of that engine. While it isn't much to brag about stock, it does have great modding potential.

[AllShowNoGo]

Originally Posted by AllShowNoGo

ok when ur financing ur car, $4000 is like pocket change compared to what ur paying for the car, IMO.

Originally Posted by splew

Listen dude, we agreed to end the pissing contest last night, nobody was happy and everyone was getting wet, I guess you were offline already. So please don't post anymore R18 vs. Si comments in this thread. It is a stupid argument and it's just pissing everyone off.

okay, WHERE in this post do you see me talking about k20 vs. r18? you were the one complaining about not being able to afford the Si, yet have money to mod ur car. all i said was all that money u spent on ur mods u could have applied for an Si AND that when financing a car, $4k is really not that much and more like pocket change. get your story straight.