R18 is plenty fast for me.

[splew]

Originally Posted by feegeebloo

ok junior, i'll try to clear this up for you... I REALIZE THAT YOU DRIVE AN SI BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD ONE (do you feel better now?)

you don't seem to understand what i've been saying... there are many r18 owners on here that have been touting that their car is superior due to the reasons i've listed... those are the people i have addressed.

if you don't have any cogent to say, then how about you just stay the hell out of all threads? give directions to your dog, not me, skippy...

Ok, we both seem to understand each other now and I told my dog what you said. But this is supposed to be a friendly site so please don't call people names or insult their intelligence or talk down to them (I know you may not have meant to but that's how it is coming across). Also If people in this thread want to claim that the R18 cars are superior to the Si then let them live their fantasy, when people like you come in and start talking about how much better your cars are then it just makes people like me feel worse that you have the car I want, so please just move on. I'm not trying to piss you off or have a beef with you, so no hard feelings?
Btw you are almost a senior member.

[Johnold]

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

Just end this pointless argument right now. Remember we are all driving CIVICS! get that through your hollow skulls SI owners (some SI owners) what makes you better than us? NOTHING! you get less MPG and you have to pay premium plus you have to deal with a fussy transmission no thanks! my 5spd auto shifts smoother and better than the SI's manual. Alot of R18 owners simply don't want the SI,it's not that they cant afford it,its that they don't want it or need it. They want something with great MPG and a good daily driver vs the SI's harsh suspension and flawed manual transmission. Face it SI owners the SI is slow and stop thinking you're bad ass or something because you have an SI because you're not.

Yeah MPG on the Si FTL. But I don't get THAT bad of gas mileage. I don't have the 3rd gear problem so I'm good. Thats why I love my Si in particular. I don't mind the premium fuel cause I can make a tank last. It's still gas efficient as a 2.0 liter. Yes the Si isn't the fastest out there but it's fast though. You'd simply have to drive one to see what it's like thats all.


Someday I might have to switchout my Si for an R18. I hope the day never comes to that but I have HUGE plans for how I'd like my R18 to be and look like. I know for sure that it would have to be Rallye Red. CHEERS!

[splew]

Originally Posted by AllShowNoGo

are those aftermarket rims on ur car in ur avatar pic? for the price you paid for those rims/tires, u probably could have applied toward ur car payment on an Si.

$710(I got a deal), that wouldn't get me into an EX, much less an Si.

[trickyazn]

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

Just end this pointless argument right now. Remember we are all driving CIVICS! get that through your hollow skulls SI owners (some SI owners) what makes you better than us? NOTHING! you get less MPG and you have to pay premium plus you have to deal with a fussy transmission no thanks! my 5spd auto shifts smoother and better than the SI's manual. Alot of R18 owners simply don't want the SI,it's not that they cant afford it its that they don't want it. They want something with better MPG and a good daily driver vs the SI's harsh suspension. Face it SI owners the SI is slow and stop thinking you're bad ass or something because you have an SI because you're not.

1) I have a great transmission kkthnx and if I didnt, the DEALERSHIP COVERS IT and some SI owners already jumped on it.

2) You saying they cant afford it? most on this forum bought it because IT WAS GIVEN TO THEM!

3) Obviously you havent driven an SI or anything that has suspension mod's because if the SI's suspension is hard then you must of been driving a corolla all your life and never stepped into a STI or EVO or M3

4) Before you start saying we think we are so badass, you r18 owners keep forgetting doing the same thing.. your fueling the flame with MPG and COST DIFFERENCE while us SI owners provide our standard features and "fun" factor. You say you get better mpg, we say we have a better engine. We say we are faster, you say OUR CAR COSTS MORE. This will NEVER END. You guys think your making a WHOLE lot more sense then us but step back and read all your posts, you guys are just making it worse. Half of you r18 owners are contradicting yourselves.. You want a fast car but you bought an r18.. you want to save gas but you bought a civic over a yaris.. you say SI's costs much more but you MOD your freaking r18 and add that to your r18 costs and itll be ABOVE the cost of an SI. Seriously stop justifying your r18 already..

[AllShowNoGo]

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

Just end this pointless argument right now. Remember we are all driving CIVICS! get that through your hollow skulls SI owners (some SI owners) what makes you better than us? NOTHING! you get less MPG and you have to pay premium plus you have to deal with a fussy transmission no thanks! my 5spd auto shifts smoother and better than the SI's manual. Alot of R18 owners simply don't want the SI,it's not that they cant afford it,its that they don't want it or need it. They want something with great MPG and a good daily driver vs the SI's harsh suspension and flawed manual transmission. Face it SI owners the SI is slow and stop thinking you're bad ass or something because you have an SI because you're not. It seems like alot of SI owners bought the SI just so they can be a status symbol which is very sad. They think that dissing R18 owners will make them feel good about theirselves,because they have an SI,"ooo look at me i have an SI im better then you R18 owners ooo ahh bs bs bs".That doesn't mean jack shit,i say "look at me im getting better MPG then you,and i don't have to deal with a flawed transmission!"

AGAIN, not all Si's have the tranny issue.

you do realize the Si stands for "Sports injected" right? meaning that the Si is performance inclined? meaning it's not built for comfort or luxury. why do u think the s2k is not a comfortable car to ride in for an extended period of time!?

[AllShowNoGo]

Originally Posted by splew

$710(I got a deal), that wouldn't get me into an EX, much less an Si.

and what about ur other mods that u spend money on?

[Johnold]

Originally Posted by AllShowNoGo

AGAIN, not all Si's have the tranny issue.

you do realize the Si stands for "Sports injected" right? meaning that the Si is performance inclined? meaning it's not built for comfort or luxury.

but I am comfy in my Si though. I'm sure that the R18 seats are softer though. I'm ok with the comfort of my Si's interior and seats.

[ryker]

Originally Posted by feegeebloo

for those of you saying that the gas mileage is worth the difference between the r18 and the k20z3 i say two things:

1. HA!

2. i get 29+ mpg in my si, only current performance mod being skunk2 70mm...

from what i have seen in most replies, 32mpg average isn't really pwning my si's 29mpg... i've got more power with only a slight disadvantage in mpg... meaning that i'll pay $100 more per year in gas, than an r18 owner, but i'll definitely get everywhere faster...

That is 32mpg lifetime average. Including cold morning starts and short city trips. Today I drove ay 60 mile round trip and got 41mpg both directions.

Sure you might have gotten 29mpg on one tank in good weather - down hill. But I doubt you've kept track of every tank of fuel. If you are getting 29mpg then your not using the power of the k20 and not much reason to talk about how quick your car is if you never use it.

[Johnold]

The reason why I got an Si is cause I CAN afford it. I didn't know I could but we crunched some numbers at the dealer and I found out that I was able to afford it. I was. Thats why I got the Si. Would I had bought the Ex R18 if I COULDN'T afford the Si?....HELL YEAH!, in a heart beat!. AND, I would've been JUST as happy with the R18 as I am with the Si.

[splew]

Originally Posted by AllShowNoGo

ok, there are PLENTY of other honda dealers that you could have gone to, other than the ones in jacksonville. so you saying that u can't get a good deal around ur area is entirely YOUR fault. either that or you just dont know how to negotiate prices.

I couldn't afford an Si $1000 below sticker even if I wold have been able to swing that. I could barely afford my LX at sticker and I couldn't search the state for a good deal because I needed a car ASAP.

Originally Posted by trickyazn

my response was toward you saying the SI is slow, i agree but you wanted "something faster" so it doesnt correspond with you buying an r18. buddy dont say you want a faster car and then say the si is slow and go out and purchase the SLOWER car.

I never said the Si was slow, that was a different guy.

[AllShowNoGo]

Originally Posted by ryker

That is 32mpg lifetime average. Including cold morning starts and short city trips. Today I drove ay 60 mile round trip and got 41mpg both directions.

Sure you might have gotten 29mpg on one tank in good weather - down hill. But I doubt you've kept track of every tank of fuel. If you are getting 29mpg then your not using the power of the k20 and not much reason to talk about how quick your car is if you never use it.

well some of us Si owners don't have big egos and don't need to show off of what the Si can do, like me for example, i dont rev or beat on my Si.

[AllShowNoGo]

Originally Posted by splew

I couldn't afford an Si $1000 below sticker even if I wold have been able to swing that. I could barely afford my LX at sticker and I couldn't search the state for a good deal because I needed a car ASAP.

I never said the Si was slow, that was a different guy.

dude, that's still ur fault. if u needed a car "ASAP", why did u buy the civic, of all cars, when there are cars out there way cheaper than the civic. maybe the honda fit? or ford focus?

[ryker]

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

Just end this pointless argument right now. Remember we are all driving CIVICS! get that through your hollow skulls SI owners (some SI owners) what makes you better than us? NOTHING! you get less MPG and you have to pay premium plus you have to deal with a fussy transmission no thanks! my 5spd auto shifts smoother and better than the SI's manual. Alot of R18 owners simply don't want the SI,it's not that they cant afford it,its that they don't want it or need it. They want something with great MPG and a good daily driver vs the SI's harsh suspension and flawed manual transmission. Face it SI owners the SI is slow and stop thinking you're bad ass or something because you have an SI because you're not. It seems like alot of SI owners bought the SI just so they can be a status symbol which is very sad. They think that dissing R18 owners will make them feel good about theirselves,because they have an SI,"ooo look at me i have an SI im better then you R18 owners ooo ahh bs bs bs".That doesn't mean jack shit,i say "look at me im getting better MPG then you,and i don't have to deal with a flawed transmission!" Both Civics have flaws DEAL WITH IT! it's mostly the SI though.

But also both Civics can be a perfect match for the owner. Honda has done a great job on the 8th gen be it the r18 or the Si.

[feegeebloo]

Originally Posted by ryker

That is 32mpg lifetime average. Including cold morning starts and short city trips. Today I drove ay 60 mile round trip and got 41mpg both directions.

Sure you might have gotten 29mpg on one tank in good weather - down hill. But I doubt you've kept track of every tank of fuel. If you are getting 29mpg then your not using the power of the k20 and not much reason to talk about how quick your car is if you never use it.

i have put exactly 10 tanks of gas in my car since new, and the total mileage over those tanks is 29.45mpg...

i know how and when to use my car for fun... i'm in cruise at 65mph to and from work and i kick it up for fun every once in a while...

like i said in another post, using cruise to and from san fran, i averaged 34mpg over a 3200 mile road trip... its all in how you drive it... am i going to get 41mpg? no. do i care? no. if i did, i would still drive my wife's saab...

i said it before and will reiterate here:

this debate is pointless... the r18 is designed for one purpose and the si for another... comparing the two and saying that one is better because of gas mileage or the other is better because of horsepower is going to get everyone nowhere...

[Johnold]

Originally Posted by AllShowNoGo

well some of us Si owners don't have big egos and don't need to show off of what the Si can do, like me for example, i dont rev or beat on my Si.

I don't drive my Si hard either. But I DO hit vtec on this 1 road that I love to drive on. I do it to open up the sinuses. I keep it below 5K to not get tickets.

The Si is a car that WANTS YOU to rev it. It's a revving car that LOVES the higher RPM's so take it from me and all other Si owners,...the Si is HARD as hell to keep below 5.5K cause it's always reaching vtec area before you know it. I've got it mastered though. I make my tanks last cause I've learned how to go slow in my car and have granny's past me LOL. I love to cruise more than go fast all the time.

[splew]

Originally Posted by AllShowNoGo

and what about ur other mods that u spend money on?

$300 on the speakers, $20 on the caliper paint, $30 on the exhaust tip.
If you add that to the rims thats $1060, still not enough to even get me into an EX.

[trickyazn]

Originally Posted by ryker

That is 32mpg lifetime average. Including cold morning starts and short city trips. Today I drove ay 60 mile round trip and got 41mpg both directions.

Sure you might have gotten 29mpg on one tank in good weather - down hill. But I doubt you've kept track of every tank of fuel. If you are getting 29mpg then your not using the power of the k20 and not much reason to talk about how quick your car is if you never use it.

BTW your not using the full power of your r18 if your getting 30+mpg a fuel up. How many times can you run your car to redline and still get your amazing 30+ mpg? Once @ WOT, there goes your amazing mpg.

You keep doubt SI's fuel consumption numbers but buddy youd be surprised how good our gas mileage is. My friend with an R18 jumps ~310 miles before his fuel light comes on, my driving with occassional high rev's here and there will yield a 280-290 before the fuel light comes on. Same area, same amount of free consumption as him.. not to mention that my school is UP a hill.

You doubt that he doesnt keep track of every fuel up? well guess what I do and I yield 26 with a couple canyon runs here and there near my school. On my trip to north california, I Got 36 mpg all freeway. I got there at ~75mph the whole way with 1/4 of a tank left. You keep trying to justify that your car sips gas, well I can safely say so do our Si's.

[ryker]

Originally Posted by AllShowNoGo

well some of us Si owners don't have big egos and don't need to show off of what the Si can do, like me for example, i dont rev or beat on my Si.

Then you would probably be just as happy with the r18's power.

[trickyazn]

Originally Posted by splew

$300 on the speakers, $20 on the caliper paint, $30 on the exhaust tip.
If you add that to the rims thats $1060, still not enough to even get me into an EX.

Invoice..
$17,560 for lx

$19,510 for ex

$21,110 for si

Your right, BUT you bought those stuff upfront right? so technically you can afford an SI since your budget for a car yields more then what your paying.. AND did you add that you wanted a catback + intake? and let me guess, your still not done with your car.. SI price territory coming up..