Thinking about trading my Si in for a...

[Si2Typ3R]

So I am thinking about trading my Si in. NO THIS IS NOT BECAUSE I DONT LIKE MY 07 ASM FG2. This is only because I am sick of having high car payments (I fully financed, no money down and no trade in). Plus I have the fever and itch to start modding out my Si------ MORE MONEY SPENT..... so before I get too involved I thought about trading my baby in for a used 04-06 WRX. I mean they already come with a turbocharged boxer engine and can be built up a hell of a lot easier and cheaper than our Sis. What you all think? Smart move or should I grudge through the payments and reap the reward of a beast civic later??

[r a y]

Originally Posted by Si2Typ3R

So I am thinking about trading my Si in. NO THIS IS NOT BECAUSE I DONT LIKE MY 07 ASM FG2. This is only because I am sick of having high car payments (I fully financed, no money down and no trade in). Plus I have the fever and itch to start modding out my Si------ MORE MONEY SPENT..... so before I get too involved I thought about trading my baby in for a used 04-06 WRX. I mean they already come with a turbocharged boxer engine and can be built up a hell of a lot easier and cheaper than our Sis. What you all think? Smart move or should I grudge through the payments and reap the reward of a beast civic later??

i'm pretty sure your insurance costs would go up with a 04-06 wrx. So you'd have to decide if the lower monthy payments justify higher insurance.
I was considering the same thing, so i called my agent to get a quote on a 06 STi and the premiums doubled compared to my '07 Si.

[Si2Typ3R]

Originally Posted by r a y

i'm pretty sure your insurance costs would go up with a 04-06 wrx. So you'd have to decide if the lower monthy payments justify higher insurance.
I was considering the same thing, so i called my agent to get a quote on a 06 STi and the premiums doubled compared to my '07 Si.

Yeah but I would not get a used STi, I dont want what someone else beat to shit. I just want the WRX sedan 2.5 224 hp etc... Insurance would be outrageous for me if I got an STi lol

[thephenom]

And factor in the extra gas you'll be spending.

[volvo9]

If you trade in the honda you will get around 17-18 for it, probrably around 17 or less depending upon miles. If you buy the Subaru you will be paying the same price, maybe a little less if you get one with high miles. Your payments will stay the same, and you'll have a used car with high insurance.

Keep the Si or trade it in on a 10k car. Your payments aren't going to change much by dropping 1 or 2 k off the loan.

[thisisdudewhoru]

Yea, weather its a wrx or sti, the insurance will hit the roof just because its notorious for being fast, has a turbo, and lots of people wreck them because they are fast.

[habitat]

I had a 2002 Impreza WRX and it was a great car!
From what I remember,
the transmissions were very weak (especially if you start modding) because AWD launches really workout the transmission.
The MY02-03 seats were horrid (hurt my back, later upgraded MY04+).
The driving position is nowhere as good as the SI, you sit high and reach low for the shifter and no armrest (necessity for me!)

The insurance is VERY HIGH check this out.

Most expensive models to insure

1 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
2 Mercedes CL-Class
3 Dodge SRT-4
4 Subaru Impreza WRX
5 Jaguar XK (convertible)
6 Lexus IS 300
7 Honda S2000
8 Acura RSX
9 Nissan 350Z
10 Jaguar XJ

Source


If you read all that and still want a WRX, we must have the same ailment :). My advice is to find a 2006 model WRX because it was the first year they did a major overhaul to the engine by increasing displacement from 2.0L to 2.5L. This engine had huge potential because it was factory under rated and actually had huge amounts of torque (something like ~240lb/ft peak)

[Si2Typ3R]

Originally Posted by habitat

I had a 2002 Impreza WRX and it was a great car!
From what I remember,
the transmissions were very weak (especially if you start modding) because AWD launches really workout the transmission.
The MY02-03 seats were horrid (hurt my back, later upgraded MY04+).
The driving position is nowhere as good as the SI, you sit high and reach low for the shifter and no armrest (necessity for me!)

The insurance is VERY HIGH check this out.

Source


If you read all that and still want a WRX, we must have the same ailment :). My advice is to find a 2006 model WRX because it was the first year they did a major overhaul to the engine by increasing displacement from 2.0L to 2.5L. This engine had huge potential because it was factory under rated and actually had huge amounts of torque (something like ~240lb/ft peak)

thats what I mean. The cost associated with modding the civic to equal the potential the WRX?.... WRX>Si sorry but its true. The insurance... not so much worried about. Once a couple things fall off my record this year It will even out to be what I have been paying on my Si. I love my Si. I would love to build the engine and go F/I but the $$$$ too much. I can find an 06 WRX with 30-40k miles (my si has 30K) for 14k. I can get 18.5k-19k for my Si on a private sale.....

[Si Speed 317]

Well I'm not quoting anyone, but a WRX can have better MPG's than our Si's. Reason being is that TC cars are normally better with that. Depends on driver, and it'll be a good move IMO.

[Undispu7ed]

Originally Posted by Si Speed 317

Well I'm not quoting anyone, but a WRX can have better MPG's than our Si's. Reason being is that TC cars are normally better with that. Depends on driver, and it'll be a good move IMO.

lol. Can I have some of what you're smoking? Seriously.

[Si Speed 317]

^ If it's done right and not all for hp, you'll get better gas mileage. My friend has an 07 Turbo GTI and it get's better gas mileage than my Si. Good enough? There's a video online about FI getting better MPG, but I can't find it.

[Undispu7ed]

Originally Posted by Si Speed 317

^ If it's done right and not all for hp, you'll get better gas mileage. My friend has an 07 Turbo GTI and it get's better gas mileage than my Si. Good enough? There's a video online about FI getting better MPG, but I can't find it.

What's your MPG? How much city/hwy?

[Si Speed 317]

about 24/29 and he get's about 25/31 and we both have intake and exhaust. I'm getting a TBS and I should be better than his or at least the same.

[I Vtec, do you?]

I think you'd take a beating on the insurance, to be honest

[Si2Typ3R]

Originally Posted by I Vtec, do you?

I think you'd take a beating on the insurance, to be honest

My insurance is about to drop from 260 a month to 95 a month on my si. WRX might jump me up to a $150. I can handle that as long as my car payment drops a bill or two.

[Wreckless06si]

My buddy just bought a used 02 WRX, he has put intake, exhaust, downpipe, up pipe, and tune on his car, he was at 230whp before he put his up pipe on and raised his boost about 2 pounds, so we are guessin he is somewhere between 240-250whp. his gas mileage isnt the best, he says between 15-17mpg. He is only 19 and full coverage on his car is like $103/month. Good luck man!

[I Vtec, do you?]

Originally Posted by Si Speed 317

^ If it's done right and not all for hp, you'll get better gas mileage. My friend has an 07 Turbo GTI and it get's better gas mileage than my Si. Good enough? There's a video online about FI getting better MPG, but I can't find it.

Not not really good enough, that was a terrible comparison. You do realize you're comparing two COMPLETELY different cars/motors, right? The only way you can compare them would be the same motor, one boosted and the other not.

Two motors of the same, one being boosted and the other not, the n/a motor will always have better gas mileage. It's common sense really - the blower is pushing more air in and in turn requires more fuel.

What I think you're thinking of is when car companies (I beleive volvo does this) is use a very fuel efficient motor and then turbo/twin turbo it to get power out of it. This can result in a motor having pretty good fuel efficienty and enough power to be drivable.

[RockyMtnFBPSi]

Originally Posted by Si Speed 317

Well I'm not quoting anyone, but a WRX can have better MPG's than our Si's. Reason being is that TC cars are normally better with that. Depends on driver, and it'll be a good move IMO.

I have owned both and can swear on the holy bible that the WRX does not get better gas mileage than the Si. Can't remember exact figures but the avg mpg on the HWY is 32 or so for the Si and 28-29 for the WRX. And I drove both cars exactly the same way. Hell, when I could get to 30mpg in the WRX (and I did a few times on long road trips), it was almost occasion for a party.

I drive a lot for my job (not a pizza delivery driver). In mixed hwy and city mileage, the Si gets me up to 28mpg. The WRX was around 25mpg.

[RockyMtnFBPSi]

Originally Posted by Si2Typ3R

thats what I mean. The cost associated with modding the civic to equal the potential the WRX?.... WRX>Si sorry but its true. The insurance... not so much worried about. Once a couple things fall off my record this year It will even out to be what I have been paying on my Si. I love my Si. I would love to build the engine and go F/I but the $$$$ too much. I can find an 06 WRX with 30-40k miles (my si has 30K) for 14k. I can get 18.5k-19k for my Si on a private sale.....

You are right about the potential of the WRX being greater than that of the Si performance wise. It might have been a good idea to just start with a used WRX. If you are feeling an economic hit from just paying on your Si, I probably wouldn't think too seriously about getting a WRX and modding it.

If you really want to ditch the Si for a WRX, more power to you. Now the trick to your theory is finding someone who will pay $19K for a used Si with 30K miles when a new one is $21K.

[saiaba]

Originally Posted by Si Speed 317

^ If it's done right and not all for hp, you'll get better gas mileage. My friend has an 07 Turbo GTI and it get's better gas mileage than my Si. Good enough? There's a video online about FI getting better MPG, but I can't find it.

I agree and disagree with this statement.

First... the gti gets better gas mileage stock.
Second, it has way more torque so you barely have to rev the car past 2500 ever.

Don't wrx's stock get like 19c 24highway? So with mods you might get what like 27 at best if it adds any mpg? But i think it runs a little more rich with mods, so then you end up getting like 22highway at best? at least that is how it is for my friends with wrx's and stis.

Random other info....
in my 03 1.8t gti When I added a full turbo back exhaust my gas mileage went up like 3-5 mpg, as long as i didnt drive like an ass.

My 06 Jetta GLI 2.0t Got like 15mpg city (shifting at 3-4k) and 30-33mpg highway.. So on average It seemed like I was getting 24mpg.. I felt like the 2.0t was way worse on gas than the 1.8t...