RDX flip key - Page 5

**ethlar** · 11-20-2007, 06:09 PM

no luck,

Id like to see some sort of video proof if possible about the delete all keys option working.

OnreyJ · 11-20-2007, 06:52 PM

ljasonb · 01-02-2008, 11:31 AM

Any change in switchblade key mod status?

**ethlar** · 01-02-2008, 03:39 PM

none yet

Incubus · 01-13-2008, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim

Ya know what's funny? The TSX guys upgrade to Accord keys (which happen to be like our new Civic keys). And now we're upgrading to RDX keys. Funny little Honda/Acura family we've got going on.

I was gonna say that about the S2000. They still have a plain old key.

bizzybearfigiblue · 01-13-2008, 06:46 PM

my Si has a button for the trunk and no keyhole on the trunk itself can i get this to work on our cars??

trogers8 · 01-13-2008, 06:47 PM

can they not just catch up with the times and get the keyless go and push start? VW has had flip keys for HOW long now.....i don't think changing to this key is any kind of "upgrade"....

***unplugged*** · 01-18-2008, 02:11 AM

personally, i just want the key without the buttons since I have a seperate alarm and its a pain carrying a big key fob and the alarm fob

schwartzki · 01-29-2008, 12:40 AM

Just have them cut a valet key with the master cut on it unplugged

kodath · 02-08-2008, 01:35 PM

Has anyone seen this? HONDA SWITCHBLADE REMOTE KEY CONVERSION CASE 2 BUTTON on eBay, also, Honda, Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 13-Feb-08 06:27:22 GMT)

EDIT: More info here -> Who wants a flip key? - Page 17 - Civinfo

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.//kham · 02-08-2008, 01:50 PM

sorry to tease you guys but here is my TL key for my rsx, but i have the RDX faceplate on it now and painted and sanded everything

**ethlar** · 02-08-2008, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kodath

Has anyone seen this? HONDA SWITCHBLADE REMOTE KEY CONVERSION CASE 2 BUTTON on eBay, also, Honda, Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 13-Feb-08 06:27:22 GMT)

EDIT: More info here -> Who wants a flip key? - Page 17 - Civinfo

***If posting the above information is not allowed. Please remove it. Thanks

Intriguing

Quote:

Originally Posted by .//kham

sorry to tease you guys but here is my TL key for my rsx, but i have the RDX faceplate on it now and painted and sanded everything

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...5/DSC05001.jpg

Silly RSXs and their Type 5 Immobilizers...

As best i can tell, short of physically cutting up and jamming the electronics of your civic key into an rdx/tl key, it unfortuntely will not work. I sat and traced out the wire traces on the circuit boards of the RDX key and the Civic key. As part of the Type 6 programing method, the transponder is on the chip of the Civic key and is connected to the main microcontroler chip. On the RDX the two leads which would be connected to a transponder are not connected to anything. The rest of the wiring appears to be fairly identical

***Gone*** · 02-10-2008, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethlar

Ok guys and girls I’m going to summarize everything I know about the Civic and RDX keys up to this point for all of you. The local dealers think I’m crazy for doing all this research BTW.

If you need to go to the bathroom, go now, this is a long one:

Honda and Acura as we all know have been using Immobilizer anti theft systems in their cars for quite some time. There are several types of this system, creatively names Type 1-6 (there is no Type 4 system though). Our Civics are using the newest Type 6 Immobilizer system. The reason that the RSX guys can use the TL-S keys and the Accord keys is because they are Type 5 systems.

Type 5 and Type 6 systems are very similar, in fact nearly identical in electronics, but owners of Type 5 systems often complained of a “hard start” because the key’s transponder was checked before the fuel system was activated. Whereas on the Type 6 system we have the fuel system is activated and the vehicle permitted to start and then the transponder queried, if it fails the fuel is cutoff and does not resume until an accepted transponder is present next time the system checks. (you can see this in action by taking the electronics out of your key and attempting to start your car)

Further, Type 5 systems have their transponders programmed via the HDS tablet system, but the remotes are programmed by repeating the procedure; key in ignition, turn to acc (II), press unlock, turn to off, repeat, on the 4th time the locks should cycle indicating the car is in remote program mode, press the lock button on each of the remotes to be programmed and then turn off the car.

Type 6 transponders are programmed through the HDS system as well, but the HDS also programs the remotes in the process

The RDX remotes are programmed using the Type 5 procedure. Another clue to the type of the key in your hand is apparently that Type 5 keys have separate transponders and remote electronics inside the key. Type 6 has the transponder on the board. The RDX key has its transponder in the base of the rotating part of the key while our civic keys have the transponder on the chip with the electronics...

This chart says that 8th gen Civics and 2007 RDXs both have Type 6 immobilizers (also stated here by Honda themselves). Its an install guide for idatalink remote doorlock and transponder systems (I believe they also make OEM systems as well). Where did you get your info on the TL Type-S and Accord immobilizer types?

Also, in this thread on ClubRSX, a Honda Master Tech describes all of Honda/Acura's immobilizer systems and says that Types 5 and 6 are identical in build, and only different in function, differing only in the sequence of the transponder check, like you mentioned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay

The stock spark plugs last 110,000 miles, and if there were a problem with them the ECU would throw a code.

One easy thing to check is to see if the immobilizer is preventing the car from starting.

The immobilizer won't allow our cars to start till the security code is read from the key; so if you begin cranking before the code is read, the car won't start. The green key on the dash stops blinking when the code is read, so always wait for the green key on the dash to stop blinking before you crank. The immobilizer may have trouble reading the RFID chip in the key if another RFID chip (like a Mobil speed pass) is nearby. Keep those away from the key.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drag68Bird

Not always true...It depens on what type immobilizer system is in the car.
There are 6 types of immobilizer systems used by Honda, and the systems are all very similar in design. Type 1 and Type 2 are both unique in construction and function. Types 3 and 4 are identical in construction, but function differently and use different keys. Types 5 and 6 are identical in construction, but they function differently. The basic components of an immobilizer system are a transponder key, a receiver, an immobilizer control unit, and the ECM/PCM.
Immobilizer keys for Types 1 through 3 systems use a set code that does not change while immobilizer keys for Type 4 through 6 systems use rolling code technology to roll the code over to a new code each time the vehicle is started.
Type 1 systems use an immobilizer receiver connected to an immobilizer control unit that is connected to the starting circuit and the ECM/PCM. If an unrecognized key is used, the starting and fuel supply circuits are disabled, and the engine will not crank.
Type 2 systems use a receiver connected to the immobilizer control unit which is built into the ECM/PCM. If an unrecognized key is used, the fuel supply circuit is disabled, and the engine will crank, but not start.
Type 3 and 4 systems use an immobilizer control unit and a receiver built into one unit and connected to the ECM/PCM. If an unrecognized key is used, the fuel supply circuit is disabled, and the engine will crank, but not start.
Type 5 and 6 systems use an immobilizer control unit and a receiver built into one unit along with an additional security unit called the Immobilizer Entry System, or IMOES unit. Both units are connected to the ECM/PCM. The IMOES unit receives the key's transponder ID code from the immobilizer control unit-receiver and determines if the ID code is correct. If the ID code is correct, it signals the ECM/PCM that it received the correct ID code so that the ECM/PCM will enable the fuel supply circuit if it also received a correct ID code. If an unrecognized key is used, the fuel supply circuit is disabled, and the engine will crank, but not start.
To improve the customer's perception of hard starting, which was associated with the system determining if a correct key was being used before starting the engine, Type 6 systems function differently.
On this system, the vehicle starts before the system checks if a correct key is being used in the ignition. If a correct key is used, the engine stays running, but if an incorrect key is used, the fuel supply circuit is disabled within 2 seconds, and the engine shuts off....

I am thinking we still have a shot at this flip key thing... hopefully...

**ethlar** · 02-10-2008, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gone

This chart says that 8th gen Civics and 2007 RDXs both have Type 6 immobilizers (also stated here by Honda themselves). Its an install guide for idatalink remote doorlock and transponder systems (I believe they also make OEM systems as well). Where did you get your info on the TL Type-S and Accord immobilizer types?

Also, in this thread on ClubRSX, a Honda Master Tech describes all of Honda/Acura's immobilizer systems and says that Types 5 and 6 are identical in build, and only different in function, differing only in the sequence of the transponder check, like you mentioned.

I am thinking we still have a shot at this flip key thing... hopefully...

it wont program with hds, ive had 2 seperate dealers try with my rdx key, another member has tried twice with his TL-S key, it wont work. Immobilizers program but the remotes wont

***Gone*** · 02-10-2008, 12:27 PM

Damn. I have already tried the TL-S key, and was hoping the RDX key would work. Thanks for the info though.

Do you think that thread posted above on the Civinfo boards provides any new info? In case you can't tell, I really want to figure this out!

Millcitytech · 02-13-2008, 12:30 AM

I just programmed my TL key today and I'm also running into the same problem as everyone else . I can program the immobilzer to start the vehicle but the transmitters will not get picked up by the Vehicle, so my lock and unlock buttons and also trunk button is useless. Tomorrow i'm gonna try the all keys lost option on the HDS at work and see if that works. Sucky thing is the member that stated he did that also said the trunk option did not work (kind of odd ), if the lock and unlock worked then the trunk option should also work . Also another thing i was thinking of was cross referencing the keyless entry control unit and see if i can use the accord one instead to see if that works . I'll let you guys know the result tomorrow .

**rippars** · 02-13-2008, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Millcitytech

Tomorrow i'm gonna try the all keys lost option on the HDS at work and see if that works.

did that with a member whos a tech at honda and he still couldnt get the tl-s key programmed... but maybe just maybe it will work. still

ing it will one day

amerkel08 · 02-13-2008, 01:44 AM

Wow, the conversion kit looks really good. They have a 3 button set up for ex/si too. 14.99 pounds = about $30.00, and shipping is free. Best case scenario, RDX/TL keys are $25 plus shipping and still dont work. Has anyone actually bought this conversion kit? I just bought one, it should be here in about 14 days. I guess we'll see when it gets here.

aznkp · 02-13-2008, 02:15 AM

good luck to you all! im awaiting more info on this , id love to have a flip key... lol

i just dont have the money to spend on spare keys and risk messing up my master key =(

aznkp · 02-13-2008, 02:20 AM

actually......

HONDA SWITCHBLADE REMOTE KEY CONVERSION CASE 2 BUTTON on eBay, also, Honda, Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 14-Mar-08 06:27:22 GMT)

its been done on Who wants a flip key? - Page 17 - Civinfo

post 337

hmm.....

downside... its only two button. which makes ex/si owners not be able to use the trunk button or something like that on that line

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ethlar ______ Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8,474 iTrader: 3 / 100%	no luck, Id like to see some sort of video proof if possible about the delete all keys option working. __________________ 8thCivic FAQ

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ethlar ______ Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8,474 iTrader: 3 / 100%	none yet __________________ 8thCivic FAQ

01-18-2008, 02:11 AM	#88 (permalink)
*unplugged* VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NJ Age: 23 Posts: 1,263 iTrader: 1 / 100%	personally, i just want the key without the buttons since I have a seperate alarm and its a pain carrying a big key fob and the alarm fob __________________ - Mark 2008 Honda Civic SI (stock) 2006 Honda Civic EX (sold)

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kodath Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 224 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Has anyone seen this? HONDA SWITCHBLADE REMOTE KEY CONVERSION CASE 2 BUTTON on eBay, also, Honda, Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 13-Feb-08 06:27:22 GMT) EDIT: More info here -> Who wants a flip key? - Page 17 - Civinfo **If posting the above information is not allowed. Please remove it. Thanks Last edited by kodath; 02-08-2008 at 01:44 PM.*

02-10-2008, 12:27 PM	#95 (permalink)
*Gone* Go BUCKS! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Columbus, Ohio Age: 25 Posts: 758 Andy iTrader: 3 / 100%	Damn. I have already tried the TL-S key, and was hoping the RDX key would work. Thanks for the info though. Do you think that thread posted above on the Civinfo boards provides any new info? In case you can't tell, I really want to figure this out! __________________

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01-02-2008, 11:31 AM	#83 (permalink)
ljasonb Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Any change in switchblade key mod status?

01-13-2008, 06:46 PM	#86 (permalink)
bizzybearfigiblue Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 23 Posts: 17,344 iTrader: 4 / 100%	my Si has a button for the trunk and no keyhole on the trunk itself can i get this to work on our cars??

01-13-2008, 06:47 PM	#87 (permalink)
trogers8 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Biloxi, MS Age: 21 Posts: 1,512 Tim iTrader: 1 / 100%	can they not just catch up with the times and get the keyless go and push start? VW has had flip keys for HOW long now.....i don't think changing to this key is any kind of "upgrade"....

01-29-2008, 12:40 AM	#89 (permalink)
schwartzki Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fort Wayne, IN Age: 23 Posts: 200 Tom iTrader: 0 / 0%	Just have them cut a valet key with the master cut on it unplugged

02-08-2008, 01:50 PM	#91 (permalink)
.//kham Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Saint Cloud, MN Age: 20 Posts: 68 iTrader: 1 / 100%	sorry to tease you guys but here is my TL key for my rsx, but i have the RDX faceplate on it now and painted and sanded everything

02-13-2008, 12:30 AM	#96 (permalink)
Millcitytech Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 92 iTrader: 3 / 100%	I just programmed my TL key today and I'm also running into the same problem as everyone else . I can program the immobilzer to start the vehicle but the transmitters will not get picked up by the Vehicle, so my lock and unlock buttons and also trunk button is useless. Tomorrow i'm gonna try the all keys lost option on the HDS at work and see if that works. Sucky thing is the member that stated he did that also said the trunk option did not work (kind of odd ), if the lock and unlock worked then the trunk option should also work . Also another thing i was thinking of was cross referencing the keyless entry control unit and see if i can use the accord one instead to see if that works . I'll let you guys know the result tomorrow .

02-13-2008, 01:44 AM	#98 (permalink)
amerkel08 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spokane wa Posts: 13 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Wow, the conversion kit looks really good. They have a 3 button set up for ex/si too. 14.99 pounds = about $30.00, and shipping is free. Best case scenario, RDX/TL keys are $25 plus shipping and still dont work. Has anyone actually bought this conversion kit? I just bought one, it should be here in about 14 days. I guess we'll see when it gets here.

02-13-2008, 02:15 AM	#99 (permalink)
aznkp Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: VA Posts: 172 iTrader: 2 / 100%	good luck to you all! im awaiting more info on this , id love to have a flip key... lol i just dont have the money to spend on spare keys and risk messing up my master key =(

02-13-2008, 02:20 AM	#100 (permalink)
aznkp Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: VA Posts: 172 iTrader: 2 / 100%	actually...... HONDA SWITCHBLADE REMOTE KEY CONVERSION CASE 2 BUTTON on eBay, also, Honda, Car Parts, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 14-Mar-08 06:27:22 GMT) its been done on Who wants a flip key? - Page 17 - Civinfo post 337 hmm..... downside... its only two button. which makes ex/si owners not be able to use the trunk button or something like that on that line