Made hydrogen (HHO) in my garage DIY

Driving91LX · 06-08-2008, 06:45 PM

Anyone else done this or thought about it to increase mpg?
If you google or search in youtube for "hydrogen hho" there are plenty of people supplementing their gasoline with hydrogen using a jar of water, claiming to get fantastic gas mileage.
The HHO gas is basically sucked into your intake along with the usual air and you don't need as much petrol to run the engine is the way I understand it.
So, since I have a 3000+ mile trip coming up in my Pilot (I have an '06 civic too) I was going to try it out.
The curiosity finally got to me and I made some hydrogen in my garage!
Video: S4021647.flv - Video - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting
The first design hardly worked at all and consisted of stainless steel cable wrapped around a plastic tube with holes in it, that had another short piece of cable inside:

While I was looking for plastic zip ties at the store I picked up 2 stainless steel bathtub strainers at $1 each.
I attached them back to back with the zip ties and plastic spacers in between.
Wires were twisted onto each strainer and viola! Another hydrogen generator.
This one produced MUCH more bubbling than the steel cable design and used a lot less metal.
Ok, it's not installed in my car yet but it was fun just making bubbles!

bradvb · 06-08-2008, 08:27 PM

Doesn't hydrogen have some ATOMIC principles to it? hahaha
jk...kudos man, wish I had that kind of time on my hands.

SoCal07Si · 06-08-2008, 08:30 PM

Good stuff, but I'll pass on blowing up the garage

***Zeuceone*** · 06-08-2008, 08:30 PM

how will the car know not to use the same amount of fuel?

Cr8tive_leo · 06-08-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeuceone

how will the car know not to use the same amount of fuel?

You need to make a circuit *buy* that will trick the ecu into adjusting the AFR properly, otherwise it's gonna think, hey I'm running too clean, must pump more fuel into the mix, then your mileage goes for the crapper again.

I was looking into this.

Keep us posted as to how it works out. Strainers.. nice! *off to the Dollar store*

Driving91LX · 06-08-2008, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeuceone

how will the car know not to use the same amount of fuel?

I'm not a mechanic or anything but I think that the MAF sensor will adjust the fuel automatically. I've read that having the feeder hose attach to the intake at the right spot is important.
And as for being dangerous it's not a hydrogen bomb but is combustable (just like gasoline, nitrous oxide, etc.) or it wouldn't work.

Isn't it worth even investigating it to possibly get 20%-30% increase in mpg?
I can't turn back now! I've already invested around $15 in this project!

***Zeuceone*** · 06-08-2008, 08:48 PM

thats not how a maf works but i guess because its combustable you will make more power getting you to your destination faster

Mitch · 06-08-2008, 08:52 PM

Pseudoscience. You can tell by they way the gas is name HHO. That is the scientific equivalent of Engrish. Then there are those pesky laws of Thermodynamics.

Driving91LX · 06-08-2008, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cr8tive_leo

You need to make a circuit *buy* that will trick the ecu into adjusting the AFR properly, otherwise it's gonna think, hey I'm running too clean, must pump more fuel into the mix, then your mileage goes for the crapper again.

I was looking into this.

Keep us posted as to how it works out. Strainers.. nice! *off to the Dollar store*

The only reason that I got the strainers was that they were a buck a piece and made of stainless steel. hehe
It does bubble pretty good but not as much as stacking a bunch of plates together like I see on youtube. Here's an example of what it SHOULD do, but I don't recommend lighting it like he does!

***BLouIsGod*** · 06-08-2008, 09:23 PM

I really need to read more into this, but if it worked, wouldnt someone make a product and patent it?

Driving91LX · 06-08-2008, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLouIsGod

I really need to read more into this, but if it worked, wouldnt someone make a product and patent it?

It's been around for a long time but why go to the trouble when gas was only $1.20 a gallon? Now people are getting desparate and it's become much more important to get more mpg.
I'm sure there are patents for it. All owned by the oil companies

Cr8tive_leo · 06-08-2008, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLouIsGod

I really need to read more into this, but if it worked, wouldnt someone make a product and patent it?

There was one guy, he was Killed, no Joke, look it up.

Mitch · 06-08-2008, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cr8tive_leo

There was one guy, he was Killed, no Joke, look it up.

He died of an aneurysm. My neighbor up the street from me growing up died that way. So did Bruce Lee.

What you don't remember about him was that when he was alive he defrauded investors of money, lost a lawsuit to said investors, and refused to allow a PhD of Engineering to have a hands on review of his prototype.

Cr8tive_leo · 06-09-2008, 12:25 AM

ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Mitch · 06-09-2008, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cr8tive_leo

ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Sorry that facts aren't always as fun as conspiracy theories.

***Chase*** · 06-09-2008, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch

Sorry that facts aren't always as fun as conspiracy theories.

I bet big oil got ahold of his mind and telepathically controlled it remotely to detonate a large artery in His braiN!!!

ooskers · 06-09-2008, 12:40 AM

That thing looks like the start of a drug lab

***BLouIsGod*** · 06-09-2008, 07:59 AM

I heard that killed rumor, but if you can do it in your garage, then others can do it. Lets design and 8thcivic Hydrogen INjection kit... We can use the baking soda and aluminum foil as one method to generate HHO

Mitch · 06-09-2008, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLouIsGod

I heard that killed rumor, but if you can do it in your garage, then others can do it. Lets design and 8thcivic Hydrogen INjection kit... We can use the baking soda and aluminum foil as one method to generate HHO

Repeat, there is no such thing as HHO. And there's nothing special about electrolysis [whcih yields H2 + O2, not "HHO"]. In the fifth grade we hooked 9 volt batteries to metal coils in a jar of water and did this. The problem is that for the system to actually produce additional power, one or more of the components in the system (engine, alternator, electrolysis apparatus) has to work in excess of 100% efficiency. Engines work around 25-35% efficiency, electrolysis has a theoretical limit of 92% efficiency (though in practice, it rarely exceeds 60%), and alternators operate in the sub 60% efficiency range.

Driving91LX · 06-09-2008, 09:06 AM

I know that there are all sorts of scientific reasons why it shouldn't work.
But the bottom line is, if it gets me an extra 5-10 mpg then that's great. If not then I'm out $20 and learned something new.

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Driving91LX Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Temple, TX Age: 39 Posts: 1,147 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Made hydrogen (HHO) in my garage DIY Anyone else done this or thought about it to increase mpg? If you google or search in youtube for "hydrogen hho" there are plenty of people supplementing their gasoline with hydrogen using a jar of water, claiming to get fantastic gas mileage. The HHO gas is basically sucked into your intake along with the usual air and you don't need as much petrol to run the engine is the way I understand it. So, since I have a 3000+ mile trip coming up in my Pilot (I have an '06 civic too) I was going to try it out. The curiosity finally got to me and I made some hydrogen in my garage! Video: S4021647.flv - Video - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting The first design hardly worked at all and consisted of stainless steel cable wrapped around a plastic tube with holes in it, that had another short piece of cable inside: While I was looking for plastic zip ties at the store I picked up 2 stainless steel bathtub strainers at $1 each. I attached them back to back with the zip ties and plastic spacers in between. Wires were twisted onto each strainer and viola! Another hydrogen generator. This one produced MUCH more bubbling than the steel cable design and used a lot less metal. Ok, it's not installed in my car yet but it was fun just making bubbles!

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*BLouIsGod* i-VTEC your mom Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Jax Beach, FL Posts: 2,426 Brad iTrader: 7 / 100%	I really need to read more into this, but if it worked, wouldnt someone make a product and patent it? __________________

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*BLouIsGod* i-VTEC your mom Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Jax Beach, FL Posts: 2,426 Brad iTrader: 7 / 100%	I heard that killed rumor, but if you can do it in your garage, then others can do it. Lets design and 8thcivic Hydrogen INjection kit... We can use the baking soda and aluminum foil as one method to generate HHO __________________

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bradvb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Age: 26 Posts: 208 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Doesn't hydrogen have some ATOMIC principles to it? hahaha jk...kudos man, wish I had that kind of time on my hands.

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Mitch Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 1,873 Mitch iTrader: 0 / 0%	Pseudoscience. You can tell by they way the gas is name HHO. That is the scientific equivalent of Engrish. Then there are those pesky laws of Thermodynamics.

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Driving91LX Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Temple, TX Age: 39 Posts: 1,147 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I know that there are all sorts of scientific reasons why it shouldn't work. But the bottom line is, if it gets me an extra 5-10 mpg then that's great. If not then I'm out $20 and learned something new.