New Clear Coat to Remove Swirls?

[Cornflake79]

Hey, i was wondering if getting a clear coat respray would get rid of the swirl marks. I had mine buffed out a couple times at a detail shop but they keep coming back. Car looks like crap in direct sunlight!!! Damn u NHBP!!!! lol

[effNsi]

they will come back

[striker_1818]

easiest way is to repaint the car and use a thicker paint and lots of clearcoat?

[distrbd]

Originally Posted by Cornflake79

Hey, i was wondering if getting a clear coat respray would get rid of the swirl marks. I had mine buffed out a couple times at a detail shop but they keep coming back. Car looks like crap in direct sunlight!!! Damn u NHBP!!!! lol

One reason the swirls keep coming back is the detail shop must have used some sort of glaze with fillers to only temporarily fill the swirl marks.
a proper way to do it is to use a good swirl remover( with light to medium abrasive in it) and apply it with a machine,then glaze then sealant/wax.
I,m sure a good detail shop will make them disappear for a good few months depending how bad the swirls are of course.

[Vince]

Clay bar

[distrbd]

Originally Posted by Vince

Clay bar

I'm sorry to disagree with you Vince but claybaring the paint will only remove contaminants and oxidation,it will not remove scratches/swirls.

[cation]

Yep... they will never go away...

They should call the color Nighthawk Black Swirl instead.

[RaskyR1]

Don’t waste your money getting the car repainted.

I'm not sure if what you’re talking about is swirls/holograms or if you’re talking about cobweb scratches. There terms get thrown around a lot but they are different. See below...

Cobweb scratches or the "spider web effect"



Buffer swirls or holograms


If it's swirls the detail shop probably put them there. As posted above they are probably using something with a lot of fillers in it. Most detail shops use products like this as they deal in high volume dealer cars with a few retail jobs now and then. They are very easy to use and make the car look good for about a month. See if you can find out what products they used.

Do you have a dual action polisher by any chance? Like a Porter cable? These machines are great for removing swirls and cobweb scratches.

If not you can use ScratchX by hand but that will require time and dedication.

[RaskyR1]

Originally Posted by cation

Yep... they will never go away...

They should call the color Nighthawk Black Swirl instead.

Want to put money on that?

Here is a members black Si with cobweb scratches...and a little over spray.


before on the left and after on the right.

[RaskyR1]

Originally Posted by striker_1818

easiest way is to repaint the car and use a thicker paint and lots of clearcoat?

[I Vtec, do you?]

Originally Posted by RaskyR1

Want to put money on that?

I think he meant they will never go away.. as in, you'll always have them at some point. Sure, in that pic you got rid of them, but the paint is still susceptible to getting the imperfection later on, right? Nothing can prevent it forever.

[RaskyR1]

Originally Posted by I Vtec, do you?

I think he meant they will never go away.. as in, you'll always have them at some point. Sure, in that pic you got rid of them, but the paint is still susceptible to getting the imperfection later on, right? Nothing can prevent it forever.

LOL...I know.

With proper washing and regular maintenance you can keep you car free of them. Most people do not have the time, knowledge or a place to do so which sucks I know.

[cation]

Originally Posted by RaskyR1

Want to put money on that?

Here is a members black Si with cobweb scratches...and a little over spray.


before on the left and after on the right.

They will be back...

I'd be interested to learn how he got the paint looking that good though. Claybar and wax?

[RaskyR1]

Originally Posted by cation

They will be back...

I'd be interested to learn how he got the paint looking that good though. Claybar and wax?

Sure.

I was trying out some new products on this car so it probably could have been done in fewer steps.

Had this car not been covered in overspray I would have tried Meguiars #80 with my PC. That alone will remove fine scratches and swirls on most cars.

Following steps taken...this may have been over kill

1. Wash
2. Clay (6hrs)
3. Buff (4hrs+)
Step 1: Meguiars Fine Cut Cleaner with whool pad and rotary buffer
Step 2: Meguiars Fine Cut Cleaner with soft foam pad, rotary buffer
Step 3: Meguiars Swirl Remover 2.0 with soft foam pad, rotary buffer
Step 4: Meguiars Swirl Remover 2.0 with Porter Cable and foam pad/
Step 5: Meguiars Show Car Glaze with Porter cable (This was not really needed but I thought I'd be a nice guy)

4. Wax with Meguiars Hi Tech wax.

over spray pic


After pic

[RaskyR1]

If you want to keep a black car looking better than new I recomend buying a Porter cable 7424. Then get the following products.

Meguiars:

W-9006 finished pad
W-8006 polish pad
#80 speed glaze
#83 DA polish if you have a lot of scratches now
#7 show car glaze (Use on days you are going to an event or show) Amazing stuff!
#26 or #21 wax
Highly recomend getting the HOW TO DVD for the Porter Cable.

All this can be found on Meguiars website.

This on top of proper washing/drying will keep your car looking better than new...aside from rock chips that is.

[trogers8]

God...My Rallye Red needs a treatment like that....ugh

[8yourv8]

Originally Posted by RaskyR1

Sure.

I was trying out some new products on this car so it probably could have been done in fewer steps.

Had this car not been covered in overspray I would have tried Meguiars #80 with my PC. That alone will remove fine scratches and swirls on most cars.

Following steps taken...this may have been over kill

1. Wash
2. Clay (6hrs)
3. Buff (4hrs+)
Step 1: Meguiars Fine Cut Cleaner with whool pad and rotary buffer
Step 2: Meguiars Fine Cut Cleaner with soft foam pad, rotary buffer
Step 3: Meguiars Swirl Remover 2.0 with soft foam pad, rotary buffer
Step 4: Meguiars Swirl Remover 2.0 with Porter Cable and foam pad/
Step 5: Meguiars Show Car Glaze with Porter cable (This was not really needed but I thought I'd be a nice guy)

4. Wax with Meguiars Hi Tech wax.

over spray pic


After pic

[cation]

Originally Posted by RaskyR1

Sure.

I was trying out some new products on this car so it probably could have been done in fewer steps.

Had this car not been covered in overspray I would have tried Meguiars #80 with my PC. That alone will remove fine scratches and swirls on most cars.

Following steps taken...this may have been over kill

1. Wash
2. Clay (6hrs)
3. Buff (4hrs+)
Step 1: Meguiars Fine Cut Cleaner with whool pad and rotary buffer
Step 2: Meguiars Fine Cut Cleaner with soft foam pad, rotary buffer
Step 3: Meguiars Swirl Remover 2.0 with soft foam pad, rotary buffer
Step 4: Meguiars Swirl Remover 2.0 with Porter Cable and foam pad/
Step 5: Meguiars Show Car Glaze with Porter cable (This was not really needed but I thought I'd be a nice guy)

4. Wax with Meguiars Hi Tech wax.

over spray pic


After pic

Thanks for that man!

What was the overspray from? Some sort of body/paint repair where they forgot to cover other areas of the car?

Claybaring is similar to wet sanding no?

I'm knowledgeable of painting cars and the wetsand/wheel process following the clear coat as I have done it on several, but lack much detailing knowledge. Thanks!

[I Vtec, do you?]

Originally Posted by cation

Claybaring is similar to wet sanding no?

Oh lordy no.. not in the least. Wet sanding is actually sanding down the finish of your car, whereas a clay just sticks to the contaminates on the body's surface and pulls them off into the clay.

[ronin]

No Wet sanding unless it is really necessary like sanding down overpainting (after using touchup). And you can use it for some deep scratches as long as it isn't down to the paint. However remember your clearcoat is only oh so thick (which is not much). So you wouldn't want to sand down too much in one area much less the entire car.

Then you would have to try and get that area looking nice and glossy again. Unless you know what you doing or have prior expirence. Or in some cases that area is messed up so a bit more damage wouldn't change anything. Leave it to a professional.

Micro scratches are inevitable no matter how carefully you drive and baby your car. Many of us know this and it drives us crazy. Actually, this is driving crazy as I type this.