Since everyone has that 3rd gear issue, why is there no recall?

corollaxrs · 02-28-2008, 01:05 PM

You hear about recalls on so many other cars concerning SMALL problems...like the seatbelt light will malfunction in a GMC so they have a recall. Or some other stupid things like that, and yea they have some pretty important recalls that lead to accidents...but why hasn't honda had a recall on the Si issue? I've even seen news stories about it and it's been beaten to death...

User_name: · 02-28-2008, 01:10 PM

Cause, not eveybody has the issue.... 80% just think they have a issue

corollaxrs · 02-28-2008, 01:12 PM

that's a good point. of all the Si's i've driven at work. only 1 or 2 have ever had 3rd gear grind or lock me out...maybe it's just in everyone's head.

***Special Ringpop*** · 02-28-2008, 01:15 PM

Stop speaking for the majority. 80% think they have the issue? If their transmisison pops out of gera or grinds, I don't think that is "thinking" they have the issue.

Not all of Si owners have third gear issues, as User_name arrogantly pointed out. However, a good many do, and are completely justified in complaining about it. Some users on here who don't have the problem love to assume that we either a.) don't know how to drive or b.) don't really have a problem because they don't, and they are idiots. I am speaking to no one in specific about that.

If they issued a recall for this, it would cost them a ton of money to have to drop every affected transmission and replace parts. It's not something trivial like a Toyota recall for the carpet mats sliding during driving. It's quite a large issue. No cars tranny should have to be dropped so soon. My car has 20,000 miles on it, and it has needed its transmission repaired for almost 15,000 of those 20,000. Uncool.

***Special Ringpop*** · 02-28-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by corollaxrs

that's a good point. of all the Si's i've driven at work. only 1 or 2 have ever had 3rd gear grind or lock me out...maybe it's just in everyone's head.

Yeah, do a google search for honda third gear...all of those owners must have just had the issue in their head. None of them can really drive stick.

***GeezerSi*** · 02-28-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

Stop speaking for the majority. 80% think they have the issue? If their transmisison pops out of gera or grinds, I don't think that is "thinking" they have the issue.

Not all of Si owners have third gear issues, as User_name arrogantly pointed out. However, a good many do, and are completely justified in complaining about it. Some users on here who don't have the problem love to assume that we either a.) don't know how to drive or b.) don't really have a problem because they don't, and they are idiots. I am speaking to no one in specific about that.

If they issued a recall for this, it would cost them a ton of money to have to drop every affected transmission and replace parts. It's not something trivial like a Toyota recall for the carpet mats sliding during driving. It's quite a large issue. No cars tranny should have to be dropped so soon. My car has 20,000 miles on it, and it has needed its transmission repaired for almost 15,000 of those 20,000. Uncool.

+ rep (oh shit)

PhoR11 · 02-28-2008, 01:17 PM

There are probably a couple reasons there hasn't been a recall:

1) It's an expensive fix
2) They think it's just an annoyance and not an actual safety issue
3) Transmissions with the issue still last a very long time
4) Not enough people have complained to the right people to get a recall started.

08CivicSi · 02-28-2008, 01:27 PM

if not enough people have complained why dont u all pick up a god damn pen and write letters to them, all it takes is 100 people for start and they will start paying attension, anyways this has been said a million times, i guess people are too lazy to get off thes Arsee and write a letter, nothing is going to be done for u, u all need to stand up and do something

User_name: · 02-28-2008, 01:28 PM

Heres a story for you.... Last week I was driving home went around a corner in second, shifted @8k to 3rd @^$#@ locked out OMG... Guess what I did? I went to neutral let the clutch out pushed clucth back down shifted again to 3rd and was on my 'marry' way..

Did i run home and jump on the internet and start a thread "MY 3RD GEAR IS SCREWD"? No Did I write up a petition?No did I write a letter to my congressmen? No Did get on the phone with my dealer and bitch him out about my happenings? No

My point is some people have legit problems, and some dont... Do I have a problem with my tranny because of what happend? No

***Special Ringpop*** · 02-28-2008, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 08CivicSi

if not enough people have complained why dont u all pick up a god damn pen and write letters to them, all it takes is 100 people for start and they will start paying attension, anyways this has been said a million times, i guess people are too lazy to get off thes Arsee and write a letter, nothing is going to be done for u, u all need to stand up and do something

Transmission: American Honda Case Number Files

YouTube - FOX 6 San Diego: Call for Recall Story

I don't know what more people could possibly want. We've got newsmedia covering it (with more coverage coming on the east coast soon), we've got petitions going, we've had protests, and we have a thread designed entirely for posting INTRICATE details of customer service case files.

But when you have money, no one else matters. Honda Motors Co. > customers.

If all it takes is 100 people complaining, I can't imagine how many complaints they've had since 2002 with these transmissions.

JD5586 · 02-28-2008, 01:34 PM

I just picked up my car from the shop yesterday after it was sitting at honda for 2 weeks. i have 6400 miles on my car...here is what they did (straight from the invoice):
- Gear set, second
- Gear set, 3rd
- Fork, 1st and 2nd
- bearings
- sleeve set
- MT fluid

and this is what they wrote:
" Test drove vehicle and found not shifting properly 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd....remove and open trans and found 2nd, 3rd AND 4th synchro sleeve dmged. Replace 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear synchros. Replace 1st to 2nd and main bearing from 4th to 5th"

***Special Ringpop*** · 02-28-2008, 01:40 PM

Wow, syncros for 2 3 and 4 damaged on a car with only 6400 miles.

That's utterly pathetic. I'd hate to see what mine look like with 20,000.

ricetastic · 02-28-2008, 02:42 PM

Not everyone has the issue therefore it isn't necessary to replace everyone's 3rd gear for productivities sake. Most dealers have been told to take care of it if it is prevalent sort of like "if you have it we'll fix it" deal. The situation is like this:

Say a builder decides to build a neighborhood with 25 houses. He builds all of them with the same materials, same quality and all are structurally similar. One of the homeowners complains that mold is present in their new home. Consequently they tell their neighbors which tell their neighbors and eventually everyone is concerned. The homeowner that complains of mold turns out to be telling the truth, and the builder agrees to fix the problem adding higher grade materials to prevent the problem from happening again. The other homeowners complain stating the problem could have happened to them so why can't you fix our homes. The builder agrees that if the problem is prevalent then he will fix it, instead of assuming everyone has mold. People then complain saying they have mold just because they want their homes to be repaired. In terms of our situation, people are saying they have a 3rd gear issue even though it may not be prevalent. If its not prevalent why fix it? Its more along the lines that people think just cause one product is defective, all of them are so they think they have the issue, claim 3rd gear pops out etc etc.

nayilsi · 02-28-2008, 02:53 PM

i have the issue when the car is cold.... and since the manager at Allen Honda treated me like shit when I asked abt 3rd gear prob..... im joining the crew.

&

calling HOA again.

***Special Ringpop*** · 02-28-2008, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nayilsi

i have the issue when the car is cold.... and since the manager at Allen Honda treated me like shit when I asked abt 3rd gear prob..... im joining the crew.

&

calling HOA again.

Glad to have you. It's about time, bitch!

What happened? Details, details!

IRAYZMYSI · 02-28-2008, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by User_name:

Cause, not eveybody has the issue.... 80% just think they have a issue

We already know you have no problems with your tranny....because you dont even own a si and you work for honda

***07BlakBlak*** · 02-28-2008, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by User_name:

Cause, not eveybody has the issue.... 80% just think they have a issue

Quote:

Originally Posted by User_name:

Heres a story for you.... Last week I was driving home went around a corner in second, shifted @8k to 3rd @^$#@ locked out OMG... Guess what I did? I went to neutral let the clutch out pushed clucth back down shifted again to 3rd and was on my 'marry' way..

Did i run home and jump on the internet and start a thread "MY 3RD GEAR IS SCREWD"? No Did I write up a petition?No did I write a letter to my congressmen? No Did get on the phone with my dealer and bitch him out about my happenings? No

My point is some people have legit problems, and some dont... Do I have a problem with my tranny because of what happend? No

Good point. Now kindly retract the first moronic post you made.

simplicated1979 · 02-28-2008, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by User_name:

Heres a story for you.... Last week I was driving home went around a corner in second, shifted @8k to 3rd @^$#@ locked out OMG... Guess what I did? I went to neutral let the clutch out pushed clucth back down shifted again to 3rd and was on my 'marry' way..

Did i run home and jump on the internet and start a thread "MY 3RD GEAR IS SCREWD"? No Did I write up a petition?No did I write a letter to my congressmen? No Did get on the phone with my dealer and bitch him out about my happenings? No

My point is some people have legit problems, and some dont... Do I have a problem with my tranny because of what happend? No

your in f***ing denial....

Fail....

god forbid...
you were taking your pregnant wife, or sick mother to the hospital and that happened...I bet 100 dollars you would eat those f***ing words...

habitat · 02-28-2008, 03:23 PM

Bottom line: more people complain than praise. So of your results, the complaints will greatly outweigh the praise, even if in reality the numbers tell a different story.

simplicated1979 · 02-28-2008, 03:41 PM

To answer the op’s ??? man if I was selling sweet potatoes for years and it’s always been praised by everyone as I have put a lot of hard work in making my sweet potatoes the best…1990-2000 made a lot of money. And after 2000....I decided hell I wanna make more money so I started paying for the same potatoes that mazda use to use back in the days 1990-2000 and now it’s gone so far because it’s been happening to tranny’s from 2001 and up and I’ve gotten away with it. What would you think I would do…

02-28-2008, 01:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
corollaxrs Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 58 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Since everyone has that 3rd gear issue, why is there no recall? You hear about recalls on so many other cars concerning SMALL problems...like the seatbelt light will malfunction in a GMC so they have a recall. Or some other stupid things like that, and yea they have some pretty important recalls that lead to accidents...but why hasn't honda had a recall on the Si issue? I've even seen news stories about it and it's been beaten to death...

02-28-2008, 01:34 PM	#11 (permalink)
JD5586 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Miami Age: 22 Posts: 408 Julian iTrader: 0 / 0%	I just picked up my car from the shop yesterday after it was sitting at honda for 2 weeks. i have 6400 miles on my car...here is what they did (straight from the invoice): - Gear set, second - Gear set, 3rd - Fork, 1st and 2nd - bearings - sleeve set - MT fluid and this is what they wrote: " Test drove vehicle and found not shifting properly 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd....remove and open trans and found 2nd, 3rd AND 4th synchro sleeve dmged. Replace 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear synchros. Replace 1st to 2nd and main bearing from 4th to 5th" Last edited by JD5586; 02-28-2008 at 01:43 PM.

02-28-2008, 01:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
User_name: Senior Member Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Like butter Posts: 485 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Cause, not eveybody has the issue.... 80% just think they have a issue

02-28-2008, 01:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
corollaxrs Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 58 iTrader: 0 / 0%	that's a good point. of all the Si's i've driven at work. only 1 or 2 have ever had 3rd gear grind or lock me out...maybe it's just in everyone's head.

02-28-2008, 01:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
PhoR11 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Age: 27 Posts: 538 Bradley iTrader: 0 / 0%	There are probably a couple reasons there hasn't been a recall: 1) It's an expensive fix 2) They think it's just an annoyance and not an actual safety issue 3) Transmissions with the issue still last a very long time 4) Not enough people have complained to the right people to get a recall started.

02-28-2008, 01:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
08CivicSi Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 19 Posts: 153 iTrader: 0 / 0%	if not enough people have complained why dont u all pick up a god damn pen and write letters to them, all it takes is 100 people for start and they will start paying attension, anyways this has been said a million times, i guess people are too lazy to get off thes Arsee and write a letter, nothing is going to be done for u, u all need to stand up and do something

02-28-2008, 01:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
User_name: Senior Member Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Like butter Posts: 485 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Heres a story for you.... Last week I was driving home went around a corner in second, shifted @8k to 3rd @^$#@ locked out OMG... Guess what I did? I went to neutral let the clutch out pushed clucth back down shifted again to 3rd and was on my 'marry' way.. Did i run home and jump on the internet and start a thread "MY 3RD GEAR IS SCREWD"? No Did I write up a petition?No did I write a letter to my congressmen? No Did get on the phone with my dealer and bitch him out about my happenings? No My point is some people have legit problems, and some dont... Do I have a problem with my tranny because of what happend? No

02-28-2008, 02:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
ricetastic Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kentucky Posts: 655 Faisal iTrader: 0 / 0%	Not everyone has the issue therefore it isn't necessary to replace everyone's 3rd gear for productivities sake. Most dealers have been told to take care of it if it is prevalent sort of like "if you have it we'll fix it" deal. The situation is like this: Say a builder decides to build a neighborhood with 25 houses. He builds all of them with the same materials, same quality and all are structurally similar. One of the homeowners complains that mold is present in their new home. Consequently they tell their neighbors which tell their neighbors and eventually everyone is concerned. The homeowner that complains of mold turns out to be telling the truth, and the builder agrees to fix the problem adding higher grade materials to prevent the problem from happening again. The other homeowners complain stating the problem could have happened to them so why can't you fix our homes. The builder agrees that if the problem is prevalent then he will fix it, instead of assuming everyone has mold. People then complain saying they have mold just because they want their homes to be repaired. In terms of our situation, people are saying they have a 3rd gear issue even though it may not be prevalent. If its not prevalent why fix it? Its more along the lines that people think just cause one product is defective, all of them are so they think they have the issue, claim 3rd gear pops out etc etc.

02-28-2008, 02:53 PM	#14 (permalink)
nayilsi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: I have to return some Video Tapes. Posts: 7,513 iTrader: 0 / 0%	i have the issue when the car is cold.... and since the manager at Allen Honda treated me like shit when I asked abt 3rd gear prob..... im joining the crew. & calling HOA again.

02-28-2008, 03:23 PM	#19 (permalink)
habitat Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NorCal Age: 23 Posts: 2,451 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Bottom line: more people complain than praise. So of your results, the complaints will greatly outweigh the praise, even if in reality the numbers tell a different story.