2013 Civic Si vs 2013 Scion FRS

[Campton9th]

Originally Posted by fid3L

theres so much after market parts for Scion its not even funny...When I first had my 04 tC, took me a year to save up for the Turbonetics Turbo kit...

at 8psi my old tC hit 298.7 whp with 233 trq on cali's crappy 91

Pretty good and sounds like a good market. But aren't you turbo guys making way more then that for the same kit? We all know the realistic area of the new civic putting down 450.the lack of the after market for the new civic still has one kit ready to rock soon as a more effective tuning solutions occurs

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[Strate L O S S]

Originally Posted by Campton9th

Off topic but the manifold on the new civic is cast in the head. We can't change that

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you get a downpipe/testpipe. It'll do, actually makes modding cheaper.

$200 test pipe> $800-$1,000 header.

[fid3L]

Originally Posted by Campton9th

Pretty good and sounds like a good market. But aren't you turbo guys making way more then that for the same kit? We all know the realistic area of the new civic putting down 450.the lack of the after market for the new civic still has one kit ready to rock soon as a more effective tuning solutions occurs

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yeah it depneds on what other mods you put in....my numbers was 341.6whp with 3in down pipe, 3in custom exhaust piping, greddy ti-c axel back, 550cc injectors, crank pulley and up the boost to 9.5psi

[testify]

Originally Posted by Campton9th

Most don't play with a 25000 dollar car in the snow

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Is that a joke?

$25k is a cheap car nowadays.

[Strate L O S S]

in relative terms if buying new.

but it's still not cheap compared to a $1,000 Jeep to throw around during the winter months.

[HeelsandEers]

Originally Posted by Blue_blur47

I wasn't being sarcastic?

Lolol I'm aware.

Further reiterating my point

[iamchris]

Originally Posted by buddy7

yes u can. Im looking at the part catolog rite here. I work in honda parts.

You're so wrong, it hurts to laugh.

[Strate L O S S]

are you trying to say that the engine is one with the ENTIRE exhaust setup ?

lol

you change from the flange of the head down, much easier and cheaper.

[StatuatoryGrapes]

I think that both cars will serve their purpose honestly, as sport compacts. One is better project car (FRS) it would be better around a track and on the strip. RWD platforms have been proven as better high HP and handling platforms.

And the Civic will prove as a better DD, with FWD, great reliability, great gas mileage etc.

Stock vs. Stock I would say that it will be an even playing field. Even with simple suspension upgrades and bolt ons I can not see this FRS leaving the Si in the dust lets be honest.

If the Civic beats this car round the track/on the strip it would not be the first time the Civic came out as "the victorious underdog", or the first time it has a built a more purpose built sports car.

So for all of you doubting the Civic don't be so quick to discredit it. And all of you talking about parasthetic the FRS will suffer from being RWD, lets be real. It will lose more than the Civic, but not such a significant amount that it would be race changing. The places you see crazy amounts of drivetrain loss to RWD cars are in truck and cars with a significant amount of torque, as compared to these little Jap tuners

[iamchris]

Originally Posted by Strate L O S S

are you trying to say that the engine is one with the ENTIRE exhaust setup ?

lol

you change from the flange of the head down, much easier and cheaper.

I never said that, don't put words in my mouth. All I said was header. You can run a test pipe on any car, reason why we prefer headers = better gains.

[Strate L O S S]

that is a header...

[Campton9th]

Originally Posted by iamchris

I never said that, don't put words in my mouth. All I said was header. You can run a test pipe on any car, reason why we prefer headers = better gains.

I agree. Buying an bolt on header isnt an option for the new 9thgen but it can always be cut and tweaked. Then again anybody can cut something off an engine and attempt at making something better, if they know what they are doing it could be better.

Originally Posted by StatuatoryGrapes

I think that both cars will serve their purpose honestly, as sport compacts. One is better project car (FRS) it would be better around a track and on the strip. RWD platforms have been proven as better high HP and handling platforms.

And the Civic will prove as a better DD, with FWD, great reliability, great gas mileage etc.

Stock vs. Stock I would say that it will be an even playing field. Even with simple suspension upgrades and bolt ons I can not see this FRS leaving the Si in the dust lets be honest.

If the Civic beats this car round the track/on the strip it would not be the first time the Civic came out as "the victorious underdog", or the first time it has a built a more purpose built sports car.

So for all of you doubting the Civic don't be so quick to discredit it. And all of you talking about parasthetic the FRS will suffer from being RWD, lets be real. It will lose more than the Civic, but not such a significant amount that it would be race changing. The places you see crazy amounts of drivetrain loss to RWD cars are in truck and cars with a significant amount of torque, as compared to these little Jap tuners

Agreed. You should check out the motor trend.write up on this car. The fr-s is actually slower 0-60. But I think it will make a great fun and track car just as the civic will continue to be very reliable and a great dd.

Originally Posted by Strate L O S S

in relative terms if buying new.

but it's still not cheap compared to a $1,000 Jeep to throw around during the winter months.

Exactly. Im not saying 25 isnt affordable. Just not something to buy and play with in the snow.

Originally Posted by testify

Is that a joke?

$25k is a cheap car nowadays.

Not at all. You can say 25 is a cheaper car nowdays sure. But how many common people that make 35-40 a year each will buy a 25k car and then go play in the snow with it was the point. Not common practice. My average job salary est based on the snowy state of

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[StatuatoryGrapes]

Not just a great DD but a very fun one, lets be honest ask almost anybody on this you can beat the piss out of it their civic, make them pretty quick for an N/A 4 cyl. and still a great track car.

[iamchris]

Originally Posted by StatuatoryGrapes

I think that both cars will serve their purpose honestly, as sport compacts. One is better project car (FRS) it would be better around a track and on the strip. RWD platforms have been proven as better high HP and handling platforms.

And the Civic will prove as a better DD, with FWD, great reliability, great gas mileage etc.

Stock vs. Stock I would say that it will be an even playing field. Even with simple suspension upgrades and bolt ons I can not see this FRS leaving the Si in the dust lets be honest.

If the Civic beats this car round the track/on the strip it would not be the first time the Civic came out as "the victorious underdog", or the first time it has a built a more purpose built sports car.

So for all of you doubting the Civic don't be so quick to discredit it. And all of you talking about parasthetic the FRS will suffer from being RWD, lets be real. It will lose more than the Civic, but not such a significant amount that it would be race changing. The places you see crazy amounts of drivetrain loss to RWD cars are in truck and cars with a significant amount of torque, as compared to these little Jap tuners

You can't be serious. The fr-s is lighter, it has more torque, its rwd, and it's over design goals were to build a very good handling car. If the outgoing gen 2.0 gets better lap times around a track, what do you think the fr-s will do?

[iamchris]

Originally Posted by Strate L O S S

that is a header...

No. This is a header


This is a test pipe


All a test pipe does is eliminate the cat.

A header is a completely redesigned exhaust header that improves the flow efficient of exhaust gases to increase gains, after market ones often extend the piping further to erase the cat as well. A header is NOT a test pipe.

[EJ8]

After market downpipe


Stock


Cat delete.

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Originally Posted by iamchris

No. This is a header
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This is a test pipe
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All a test pipe does is eliminate the cat.

A header is a completely redesigned exhaust header that improves the flow efficient of exhaust gases to increase gains, after market ones often extend the piping further to erase the cat as well. A header is NOT a test pipe.

That's not a knife, this is a knife!

[StatuatoryGrapes]

Originally Posted by iamchris

You can't be serious. The fr-s is lighter, it has more torque, its rwd, and it's over design goals were to build a very good handling car. If the outgoing gen 2.0 gets better lap times around a track, what do you think the fr-s will do?

So just because it is RWD and it's specs seem good on paper we should discredit current civics? And don't forget that we are completely speculating as to what the 2013 Civic Si will be like.

Also the FRS is already known to be slower than the Si from not to sixty. The fact that the Civic is not sloppy around a track coupled with the fact that it is already quicker in acceleration, makes me think that the Civic will not be blown away STOCK FOR STOCK.

Maybe you didn't read my post thoroughly or maybe you did. But until the FRS comes out and proves me wrong I am sticking to the opinion I have expressed in my posts, if you disagree then cool

[iamchris]

Originally Posted by StatuatoryGrapes

So just because it is RWD and it's specs seem good on paper we should discredit current civics? And don't forget that we are completely speculating as to what the 2013 Civic Si will be like.

Also the FRS is already known to be slower than the Si from not to sixty. The fact that the Civic is not sloppy around a track coupled with the fact that it is already quicker in acceleration, makes me think that the Civic will not be blown away STOCK FOR STOCK.

Maybe you didn't read my post thoroughly or maybe you did. But until the FRS comes out and proves me wrong I am sticking to the opinion I have expressed in my posts, if you disagree then cool

Listen you're new here, so you've probably been drinking the honda kool-aid since you've just bought the car. That's ok I'll go easy on ya.

Really you wanna publish mag numbers? Mag numbers are always all over the place. Unless the mag tests them side by side you won't get a good comparison just by going by that.
Again straight line acceleration will be so pathetically close it'll be a drivers race through and through. I don't even see how that could be a point. Ok the civic is .2 seconds quicker its clearly the better car (sarcasm).

Speculating on the 2013 civic? Have you ever seen a Honda refresh? It'll be some new front bumper, a little change in the interior and mild tweaks here and there. Nothing spectacular will come of it.

Again on a race track, or in autocross. The fr-s will out lap the civic by a good margin. It'll corner better, it'll accelerate out of an apex earlier, it'll brake faster. All those things will add up to seconds in difference between the two on a track. So all the civic has is, similar acceleration time to the fr-s.

To those calling the civic practical. The civic coupe vs the fr-s. I mean really, there's hardly any difference in practicality between the two. The sedan however does have an edge on it, atleast in that department.

[iamchris]

Originally Posted by EJ8

After market downpipe
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Stock
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Cat delete.
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uh right, nothing more than a cat delete.