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Old 03-19-2010, 02:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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"Service B1" ... $200?

I'm due for my second oil change... and I mean DUE! It's at 0 and now counting the kms that it's overdue by. As it happens, I am also ready to swap out my snows.

To get an oil and filter change, along with tire swap, at my local mechanic, it will cost me around $70.

To get the Honda Dealer to perform 'service B1' (which is what Maintenance Minder says I need) will cost me $200. This includes:

- Replace Engine Oil and Filter
- Inspect Front and Rear brakes
- Check parking brake adjustment
- Inspect these items:
-- Tie rod ends, steering gear box, and boots
-- Suspension components
-- Driveshaft boots
-- Brake hoses and lines (including ABS)
-- All fluid levels and condition of fluids
-- Exhaust System
-- Fuel lines and connections


Is that all really necessary? My car has 12500km on it (that's about 7500 miles). When I take it to my mechanic, he gives it a once over anyway... I think! Need opinions. I really don't like wasting money on frivolous service.

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Old 03-19-2010, 03:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You can do all that yourself for free except for the tire changeover.
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Old 03-19-2010, 03:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I would not pay the dealer for that. I have an 09 Si and I just got my first B1 maintenance reminder like two days ago. I only have 15,000km's on the car. I am just going to take it to Honda to change the oil for me (I'm supplying synthetic oil and OEM filter). Just going to pay them for the labour ($14).

None of the items in the list above would be going bad. If it did, the car is still under warranty anyway.
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Old 03-19-2010, 04:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
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that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. basically you're paying 200 for an oil change and then they tell you they look at all that stuff when in reality they don't bother checking it because they know that none of that stuff goes bad in under 10K. if there was anything wrong with any of that, you'd probably be able to feel/hear it by now.
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Old 03-19-2010, 05:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Service B1 is for pussies
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:03 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I'm at over 50K right now and didn't bring my car in for B1 services.

Just go to your mechanic. With the B1 service, the only thing you'd really be getting are the brakes inspected the grease on the slider pins and between the caliper and the pads. I'm at 50K and need to do mine soon, but the car is still sort of new and the brakes works fine. I can't justify paying the dealer $200 for the service.

Does that $70.00 include the oil and filter? What oil are your using? I'd just go to your mechanic and while the car is up the air, get the transmission fluid changed while your at it. Or just DIY it all.
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:41 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I never go to Honda dealers for anything but warranty work. I can find someone as good or better and cheaper to do the work. I've used Car Talk's mechanic locator with good luck to find decent garages.
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Old 03-19-2010, 10:50 PM   #8 (permalink)
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wow, really? $200?
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Old 03-19-2010, 10:53 PM   #9 (permalink)
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You can do all that yourself for free except for the tire changeover.
oil and filter aren't free, even if you do the labor yourself. i'd do everything myself except for mounting the tires.
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Old 03-20-2010, 01:25 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I'm due for my second oil change... and I mean DUE! It's at 0 and now counting the kms that it's overdue by. As it happens, I am also ready to swap out my snows.

To get an oil and filter change, along with tire swap, at my local mechanic, it will cost me around $70.

To get the Honda Dealer to perform 'service B1' (which is what Maintenance Minder says I need) will cost me $200. This includes:

- Replace Engine Oil and Filter
- Inspect Front and Rear brakes
- Check parking brake adjustment
- Inspect these items:
-- Tie rod ends, steering gear box, and boots
-- Suspension components
-- Driveshaft boots
-- Brake hoses and lines (including ABS)
-- All fluid levels and condition of fluids
-- Exhaust System
-- Fuel lines and connections


Is that all really necessary? My car has 12500km on it (that's about 7500 miles). When I take it to my mechanic, he gives it a once over anyway... I think! Need opinions. I really don't like wasting money on frivolous service.

Thanks!
Sounds like a $200 oil change to me. The only thing you need to watch out for is whether you ABSOLUTELY need to do this sort of dealership mandated 'maintenance' so that future warranty claims (if any) will be honored with the minimum amount of fuss. I don't know the answer to that.

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By absolutely, I mean with an official worklist/receipt from either a Honda dealership or a certified independent mechanic detailing all the stuff that was done.

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Old 03-20-2010, 02:03 AM   #11 (permalink)
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i have never brought my car to Honda for anything do it all yourself..
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Old 03-20-2010, 05:16 AM   #12 (permalink)
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when i used to do it with my LX i was only paying $70. this isn't the first post I've seen where people are paying $200 for that and im wondering why it's so high?
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Old 03-20-2010, 10:45 AM   #13 (permalink)
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when i used to do it with my LX i was only paying $70. this isn't the first post I've seen where people are paying $200 for that and im wondering why it's so high?
I think it's so high because people like my Mom with her V6 Accord will always just follow whatever the manual says without thinking. Manual says it's time for B1? My Mom is there! I think there are a lot of middle-aged people just like her - have more money than time, and don't want to think about it, just want it done.

After reading the replies, I'm going to take it to my local mechanic. He's earned my trust over many years. I guess I might as well trust him with my Si, too. At the end of the day, it's just a car ...

I wish I could do it all myself. Sadly, I have never done anything more complicated than changing a headlight bulb, and I have no idea what I'm doing under the hood. I think one day I'm going to take the time to learn. I do love cars, and it would save me a lot of money in the long run!
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im still not following though why the same inspection with basically the same car would go up to $200. i mean im sure they use the same oil, and even if they did use full synthetic it shouldn't be that much more. If it were an Acura, I could understand paying more for luxury, but really? When I get back to the states, I'm going to ask the same question to the Honda dealership and if they try to sell me that garbage, I'll just start doing everything myself.
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Old 03-20-2010, 12:22 PM   #15 (permalink)
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It's not a $200 oil change, they change your oil, rotate tires, general inspection of the underbody , but the bulk of that price is servicing the front and rear brakes. Clean,adjust, check pad life.

BUT... Your right you could get it done at another shop for cheaper (i still like taking it to honda for record purposes/reputable for honoring mistakes,everyone makes em, and when selling it sounds better saying all services done @ Honda Dealer)

BUT, AGAIN... I don't think the B service should come up until the 3rd service. But i believe the Honda maintnence minder jumps back and forth between A's & B's.

I personally do about 3 oil changes (a's) before i do a B. As long as you make sure you rotate your tires throughout that period so they don't wear unevenly.
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yeah i know what a B1 service is, like i said, they did all of that when i had my LX for only $70 everytime. which is why I brought it to the dealership. Which is why it has me confused of why it's $200 for the Si, the only difference is that my LX has rear drum brakes (besides the engine of course) and those require more work than discs.
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i can understand if it were a B2 where they change the cabin filter as well. (which i think is way too much, you can do that yourself too). But that's mainly because people don't know about that and that's a once every 30k mile inspection.
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It's not a $200 oil change, they change your oil, rotate tires, general inspection of the underbody , but the bulk of that price is servicing the front and rear brakes. Clean,adjust, check pad life.

BUT... Your right you could get it done at another shop for cheaper (i still like taking it to honda for record purposes/reputable for honoring mistakes,everyone makes em, and when selling it sounds better saying all services done @ Honda Dealer)

BUT, AGAIN... I don't think the B service should come up until the 3rd service. But i believe the Honda maintnence minder jumps back and forth between A's & B's.

I personally do about 3 oil changes (a's) before i do a B. As long as you make sure you rotate your tires throughout that period so they don't wear unevenly.
What you spend extra at Honda over the life of the vehicle would exceed the amount additional you'd get when selling the car.
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What you spend extra at Honda over the life of the vehicle would GREATLY exceed the amount additional you'd get when selling the car.
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After reading the replies, I'm going to take it to my local mechanic. He's earned my trust over many years. I guess I might as well trust him with my Si, too. At the end of the day, it's just a car ...

I wish I could do it all myself. Sadly, I have never done anything more complicated than changing a headlight bulb, and I have no idea what I'm doing under the hood. I think one day I'm going to take the time to learn. I do love cars, and it would save me a lot of money in the long run!
Look over the DIYs here for your next oil change and transmission fluid change. They`re a great supplement to what is in the owners manual and are easy to follow. It`s rewarding doing it yourself and your get more familar with the car itself by being underneath it, especially when the car is so new and clean underneath. If you want to attempt it yourself next time and need a hand, let me know.
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