Official Honda Reflash Information

[Tom1222]

It's amazing how some think there is such a big difference after the reflash and others barely notice the difference.

[cbstd]

I took my '07 FA5 to the dealer and I carefully explained the "Over Rev" and "Cold Stumble" problems to the Service Writer. He shook his head up and made noises like he understood what I was talking about. His eyes brightened when I showed him a copy of the service bulletin for the '06 Si's explaining the reflash authorization for the '06 models and I felt confident that the problem would be addressed.

I left the car for three hours and returned expecting to have the ECU reprogrammed. When I returned the Service Weasel said that Honda does not "have a campaign" for the '07 Si and so they did not reprogram my ECU. Sh*t! I still have the problem.

So my next step is to beg Honda America to post a service bulletin for the '07 Si's. If your '07 Si has the same type of Cold Stumble and Over Rev that the
'06 Si had, please contact American Honda and tell them to get their act together.

Scott

[Tom1222]

I had the reflash done on my 06 Si and I hardly see any difference at all.
It still has the surges when the engine is cold. But once it warms up to the 2nd bar those are gone and I never really thought the rev hang was an issue. So don't think the reflash that Honda has for the Si is a cure all.

Besides you have an 07 and all the programming should already be included in the later 06 and especially the 07 models.
So you may think you have a problem but it isn't any different than the Si with the reflash.
Just start out in second gear when you first get going and when it warms up you should be fine.

[cbstd]

I am a huge Honda fan (7 Honda cars spread over 20 years), and I know the quality the company is capable of achieving.

I find it funny that Chrysler got DBW correct 12 years ago on the Prowler and Honda seems to be struggling to make it work right today.

It is real simple: Chain the coding monkees to the coffee machine until they get it right.

Scott

[cbstd]

If you want to be proactive in helping Honda develop the DBW system, you can contact them at:

Honda Automobile Customer Service
Honda Automobile Customer Service stands ready to answer questions and address concerns with your U.S. Honda vehicle. You may contact us several ways:

By Phone
Monday through Friday, 6:00am to 5:00pm Pacific Standard time at the toll-free phone number (800) 999-1009

By Fax
(310) 783-3023


By Mail
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.

Honda Automobile Customer Service
Mail Stop 500-2N-7A
1919 Torrance Blvd.
Torrance, CA 90501-2746

Honda Automobile Customer Service is more than happy to help with U.S. Honda vehicle concerns, but is unable to address questions with non-U.S. products. For Canadian inquiries, please call Honda Canada Automobile Customer Service toll-free at (888) 946-6329.

[liquidr1]

Like many mine also falls out of the vin range and also experiencing the symptoms. But i was just reading on vtec.net about a guy saying there is another update. Said he got the new RBA050 program update and then his honda tech called him saying there was another update out "RBA060"

Read here http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...page_number=1&

Anyone know if there are new updates yet. BTW ive read the hole thread and havnt seen anything about it.

[Tom1222]

Haven't heard about the 2nd update but I for one wasn't impressed with the first one. My symptoms hardly improved. I still get the jerkyness/surges when the engine is cold which is my biggest gripe. I never had an issue or did it bother me regarding the so called rev hang issue. I did notice that after the reflash it doesn't chirp anymore going into second. I mean I can probably still make it chirp but before the reflash it almost happened all the time. I don't know if that is a good thing or not. Overall I am dissapointed with the first reflash. It didn't do much of anything.

[shanevas2]

Hell yea i am 2100!!! I am going to go get this done soon!!!!!! I hated that so much!!!! My only complaint about the SI!

[Tom1222]

Originally Posted by shanevas2

Hell yea i am 2100!!! I am going to go get this done soon!!!!!! I hated that so much!!!! My only complaint about the SI!

You are 2100? What exactally does that mean? Can't be your age

[e36jakeo]

I just got my ECU reflashed today. It made a HUGE difference in the DBW rev holding. Now it is very close to perfect, and it is easy to drive the car nice and smooth in "normal" driving and also is easier to race around in VTEC mode. It has been a long time coming, and worth the nagging of my dealership in Burlingame, CA.

[fa1]

Originally Posted by Tom1222

You are 2100? What exactally does that mean? Can't be your age

His car production number.

[CiscoBoy]

Originally Posted by e36jakeo

I just got my ECU reflashed today. It made a HUGE difference in the DBW rev holding. Now it is very close to perfect, and it is easy to drive the car nice and smooth in "normal" driving and also is easier to race around in VTEC mode. It has been a long time coming, and worth the nagging of my dealership in Burlingame, CA.

I absolutely agree with e36jakeo on his assessment of the reflash. I've got my reflash done at 'Honda Mall of Georgia in Buford, GA' this past Tuesday.
My SI definitely drives smoother in normal driving conditions. Although it did not completely fix surging in the 1st gear, it certainly helped. My rev starts dropping almost as soon as I depress my clutch. It may all be in my head but it seems like it revs more freely all the way up to the VTEC range.

[Tom1222]

Congrats! The reflash didn't do diddly for me.

[DNieves]

Originally Posted by cbstd

If you want to be proactive in helping Honda develop the DBW system, you can contact them at:

Honda Automobile Customer Service
Honda Automobile Customer Service stands ready to answer questions and address concerns with your U.S. Honda vehicle. You may contact us several ways:

By Phone
Monday through Friday, 6:00am to 5:00pm Pacific Standard time at the toll-free phone number (800) 999-1009

By Fax
(310) 783-3023


By Mail
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.

Honda Automobile Customer Service
Mail Stop 500-2N-7A
1919 Torrance Blvd.
Torrance, CA 90501-2746

Honda Automobile Customer Service is more than happy to help with U.S. Honda vehicle concerns, but is unable to address questions with non-U.S. products. For Canadian inquiries, please call Honda Canada Automobile Customer Service toll-free at (888) 946-6329.

I can't believe how Honda doesn't post a single email address for customer service?!?! They'll accept faxes but not emails... how lame!

BTW- thanks to google, we know Honda email addresses belong to the (@)ahm.honda.com domain (now we need some names).

[willyo617]

Never really had a beef with rev hang issue but had to bring in the car for something else so I had it done today - big difference. I think the original software was designed the way it was to prevent the hitting a wall feeling one can get when lifting @ High RPMS / low speeds in high rev oriented engines mated to super short ratio trannies.

I am a Service Advisor for BMW (BMW certified diag tech and ASE master tech as well) so I am more than familiar with customer concerns about idle quality and other cold start concerns and associated software updates etc.

Contemporary engines are pretty nutso considering we're still dealing with your basic four stroke cycle from 100+ years ago - When I hear about driveability concerns when the car is not even warmed up it in performance cars it really ticks me off - an engine that makes 100HP per liter @ 7K+ RPMs isn't going to idle perfectly on cold start - its just never going to happen - everything in automotive design/engineering is a compromise - A first gear ratio designed to get the engine to redline and in to second gear ASAP will never be smooth for cruising around @ 7MPH -

i expect this kind of thing from people who buy vehicles in response to their neighbors' vehicle purchases, but I would expect more from what's supposed to be an enthusiast forum -

-Will

[GlxyGry06Si]

getting the reflash done tomorrow as well as the srs in the seat checked too. will let you know if there was a difference. My dealership at first said there was no reflash but they kept looking at the recalls. its not a recall but a service bulletin. when i printed out the paper that they someone on here scaned i read them the number and they fond it not even 10 seconds later. thanks for all the advise and help from the website because i did not want to flip out on my dealershp. I love my dealership. BALE HONDA OF LITTLE ROCK i will

[si_civic]

Originally Posted by willyo617

Never really had a beef with rev hang issue but had to bring in the car for something else so I had it done today - big difference. I think the original software was designed the way it was to prevent the hitting a wall feeling one can get when lifting @ High RPMS / low speeds in high rev oriented engines mated to super short ratio trannies.

I am a Service Advisor for BMW (BMW certified diag tech and ASE master tech as well) so I am more than familiar with customer concerns about idle quality and other cold start concerns and associated software updates etc.

Contemporary engines are pretty nutso considering we're still dealing with your basic four stroke cycle from 100+ years ago - When I hear about driveability concerns when the car is not even warmed up it in performance cars it really ticks me off - an engine that makes 100HP per liter @ 7K+ RPMs isn't going to idle perfectly on cold start - its just never going to happen - everything in automotive design/engineering is a compromise - A first gear ratio designed to get the engine to redline and in to second gear ASAP will never be smooth for cruising around @ 7MPH -

i expect this kind of thing from people who buy vehicles in response to their neighbors' vehicle purchases, but I would expect more from what's supposed to be an enthusiast forum -

-Will

Welcome to the forums! Try the watercooler and see what kind of people we REALLY are lol.

[GlxyGry06Si]

totally different car. the reflash made a huge difference. absolutly no rev hang and no chugging. plus i swear it has more torque. i have 235 40 17 hankook tires with 200 tread wear and i bark the hell out of second even when the tires are warmed up. everyone needs to try to get this done even if you dont fall into the vin range. keep complaining to ur dealership until they get tired of hearing you and they run the program. it took about an hour for the reflash.

[Tom1222]

I felt hardly any difference after the "Reflash" except that before I could chirp second almost every time and now it hardly ever does it anymore.
The 1st gear surge is still there until it warms up but everything else is about the same. Glad some people had positive results.

[the_tourist]

oh man..
I'm glad I came across this thread. I do fall under the range and will be calling tomorrow../
thanks