Official Honda Reflash Information

[beebsmith]

Originally Posted by lilzinger19

as weird as it sounds, i installed a K&N drop in air filter lastnight (19200 miles on stock paper filter) and it seemed to dramatically help the bucking when cold this morning. it was 26°F this morning on my way to work. i will try it through the rest of the week and update you guys. supposed to be a high of 6°F on friday.

I have to agree. I have an 08 Si sedan. Before I put in the drop in K&N air filter, the bucking in the cold is extremely noticeable if your too high of an rpm. I just shift faster in the cold and you can't notice it anymore. HOweever. AFter I added the K&N, such a big difference, and the car feels and breathes so much better.

Also, I do have the same problem with fast shifting and gears grinding from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd. Pretty annoying especially when your clutch IS all the way down.

[NHBPinoy-FG2]

i just got this update and it seems to have helped my car... just runs better and feels more responsive. just might be my mindset... but my car feels alot better.

[Thunder]

Is it possible that this update may have been applied before sale, or could it only be so if the car was purchased and the owner complained about it? My '07 FA5 Si is in the affected range, but I haven't really seen the issues. Other than a little morning bucking while the car is still cold (which I've attributed to the Si's 11:1 compression ratio on a cold engine), it's been fine. The car was a "leftover" - it was nearly time for the '09's to come out when I got it, ample time for the reflash to have been applied.

[b939625]

Honda in Marietta Ga. did it with no questions asked....plus replaced the 3rd gear problem as well.....

[nakamichi]

is this for 2009 si's as well? my last six digits are in that range.

[OrdnanceMarine]

Originally Posted by nakamichi

is this for 2009 si's as well? my last six digits are in that range.

No. The last six digits are in that range because these digits denote what number your vehicle was of 2009 production.

[bcdave]

I've been a proud owner of a 1991 Si Hatchback since it was born, (first owner) What a great car it has been! Good performance, Excellent gas mileage, Easy maintenance, Almost no repairs. Whats not to love?

Well I just couldn't hold back any longer. I just took delivery of a 2009 Si Coupe. It's a sweet car but--- Like many of you, I would like to eliminate or minimize the rev hang. When I get off the gas it almost acts as if it had one of those huge John Deere flywheels. The RPM's do take a long time to drop.

I haven't seen any solution for the 2009s here. Anybody know of one, or do I just wait and hope?

Thank You!
From The Great White North
This is Dave

[OrdnanceMarine]

Originally Posted by bcdave

I've been a proud owner of a 1991 Si Hatchback since it was born, (first owner) What a great car it has been! Good performance, Excellent gas mileage, Easy maintenance, Almost no repairs. Whats not to love?

Well I just couldn't hold back any longer. I just took delivery of a 2009 Si Coupe. It's a sweet car but--- Like many of you, I would like to eliminate or minimize the rev hang. When I get off the gas it almost acts as if it had one of those huge John Deere flywheels. The RPM's do take a long time to drop.

I haven't seen any solution for the 2009s here. Anybody know of one, or do I just wait and hope?

Thank You!
From The Great White North
This is Dave

I have found that I get used to it and it makes upshifts a whole lot smoother and easier. All it comes down to is relearning your gas/clutch/shifter coordination. Where I could see this being a problem is if you go back and fourth between a DBW throttle car and a cable actuated throttle since timing is different. I found this when I hopped back in my brother's '00 Accord (which used to be mine) and the throttle acted "funny" and I couldn't drive it nearly as well as I could my Si.

[SlightInterest]

Seems my 08 FG2 doesn't fit into any of the TSBs, which is good I suppose, still want to get rid of my rev hang.

[bcdave]

Originally Posted by OrdnanceMarine

I have found that I get used to it and it makes upshifts a whole lot smoother and easier. All it comes down to is relearning your gas/clutch/shifter coordination. Where I could see this being a problem is if you go back and fourth between a DBW throttle car and a cable actuated throttle since timing is different. I found this when I hopped back in my brother's '00 Accord (which used to be mine) and the throttle acted "funny" and I couldn't drive it nearly as well as I could my Si.

Thanks for your insite OrdnanceMarine!

I'll give that due consideration.

I must say it just doesn't feel right

Thanks again!

Dave

[STEALTH2121]

i went to the dealer today and i ask the guy if the update was covered under warrenty he said yeah until he asked me if i had any mods i told him i had an intake but i didnt tell him i had an exhuast so said he would charge me $95 for the HDS update because i have mods on my car and that wasnt covered!!! comments greatly appreciated

[1996alnl]

I must be the only one in this forum who doesn't mind the rev hang.
Perhaps it's because mine only holds for a second or so,i find it makes upshifting smoother.

A couple people who don't have alot of experience driving standard drove my car and said it was the so much smoother than theirs and easier to drive,no bucking or shaking(?)

[FD2]

how much is it??

[OrdnanceMarine]

Originally Posted by STEALTH2121

i went to the dealer today and i ask the guy if the update was covered under warrenty he said yeah until he asked me if i had any mods i told him i had an intake but i didnt tell him i had an exhuast so said he would charge me $95 for the HDS update because i have mods on my car and that wasnt covered!!! comments greatly appreciated

That's absolute B friggin S! No way the dealer should charge you anything for the update! You either need the update because Honda changed the software after your car left the factory/dealership or your car already came with the update. It doesn't matter if you have a nitrous injected twin turbocharged K20Z3! Unless your modifications have made it harder than stock for the dealership to perform the update there is NO WAY they should be scamming you for any sort of $$! If you already paid your $95, I would go back and speak with the manager and demand a refund and if you get any trouble, go directly to Honda and expose this dealership as a fraud! In the future go somewhere else with your business and tell everyone else to avoid this dealership.

[OrdnanceMarine]

Originally Posted by FD2

how much is it??

Update is covered under warranty and should cost nothing. See my rant above

[babercrombie24]

does the 2008's have the same reflash?

[OrdnanceMarine]

Originally Posted by babercrombie24

does the 2008's have the same reflash?

I won't knock you for not reading the thread since that was your first post.

2008s came from the factory with the new software and therefore don't need any sort of reflash (update).

[john_07si]

Originally Posted by RealDeal

Ok guys, I work over at the dealer and guess what I saw today? Yup I saw the real reflash stuff, what to do to go get it, what VINs are affected by it, etc. Unfortunately my dealer has a screwed up version of that HDS update but you can go to any honda dealership and get this reflash for free. There is no way in hell that you should get charged for it. Its just like anything else under warranty. Those that are told that they have to pay for this reflash should tell their dealer to go to hell. All dealers have access to IN (Honda Interactive) and can see this same information.


The VIN range is 2HGFG2...6H700001 - 2HGFG2...6H707606.

BACKGROUND INFO: Some customers may notice the engine RPM does not immediately drop when shifting gears and/or the vehicle surges when driving in 1st gear.

Basically the last 8 of the VIN are all that matters. My car doesnt fall in this range so thats why its not a problem for me. The way that its written is that this will IMPROVE but not eliminate the characteristics in the background informaion.

The bulletin # is 06-052. The operation code is 125517 and it should take about 1/2 an hour to an hour total. You dont need to leave your car there overnight or anything. Its not brain surgery.

So if you're in that affected range, make an appointment to your dealer and get it done.



That is all. :SHOCKED:

I see caveman74 beat me to it but its alot easier to have it right here as the first post instead of page 3,094 and the 6th post on the page.

is this the same thin for canadian cars ,could we go to are dealers and ask them to do that ..? and is it the same thing for the 3rd gear issue for canadien cars ..? thanks ....

[STEALTH2121]

Thanks for the response OrdnanceMarine and if anyone lives in this **** hole of staten island, new york dont even think of going to that honda dealer or its service!

[Beckerson1]

I had my '06 Si done, well i took it in for an oil change and after the guy's at honda told me that they also did the update..... i would have to say the responsiveness of my SI has been noticeable, seems to work like it should..... I haven't noticed much in the way of fuel economy gain..... I mean i was getting 30 mpg before and after..... but i would say there might have been at most a .2 mpg gain.... Not saying others wouldn't gain mpg....