Official Honda Reflash Information

[NOVAblackSiSedan]

Is this for the '06 Si or the '07?

[NOVAblackSiSedan]

Originally Posted by Tom1222

You are not alone. I had the reflash done and I am not so much concerned with the rev hang which I don't mind so much as the
crappy surging/bucking when the engine is cold. Makes you look like and idiot that can't drive a stick for the first 5-10 minutes. I have to start out in 2nd gear and keep the rpms low until the engine has at least reached 3 bars on the temp gauge. Not that I want to race it or anything. I just don't want it to buck like a bronco on sterroids.

Tom, I find this same thing happening in my '07 Si sedan, most noticeably in slow traffic on the highway. The most annoying part is the bucking/surging and general feeling of getting engine braking in first and second gear when just trolling along at less than 10 mph. Is everyone else experiencing this at low speeds? Also this happens when my engine is completely warmed up, not just at cold start.

[Tom1222]

Originally Posted by NOVAblackSiSedan

Is this for the '06 Si or the '07?

Only the 06 Si is affected. No Reflash for the 07 Models.

[Tom1222]

Originally Posted by NOVAblackSiSedan

Tom, I find this same thing happening in my '07 Si sedan, most noticeably in slow traffic on the highway. The most annoying part is the bucking/surging and general feeling of getting engine braking in first and second gear when just trolling along at less than 10 mph. Is everyone else experiencing this at low speeds? Also this happens when my engine is completely warmed up, not just at cold start.

Nope, mine only does it when it is cold below the first 2 or 3 clicks on the themp gauge. After that it is smooth sailing.
The 07 models shouldn't be affected. But a lot o people are complaining about similar problems. I think it has to do with the drive by wire system.

[NOVAblackSiSedan]

I talked on the phone last night to one of the service reps at the dealer where I bought mine, he was basically just sympathizing with me about the problem, saying he had experienced all the same problems in all the brand new Sis he'd driven, and that lots of other people had called in with similar problems. He said as soon as Honda puts out a reflash for the '07 that the dealer would happily install it. Guess I just have to wait until then and learn to be as smooth as possible with the current setup. Btw, anyone think there is any benefit in emailing Honda directly about this issue, or do you think they have already heard about it from plenty of '07 owners and are already working to fix it?

[jsabowabo]

Originally Posted by NOVAblackSiSedan

Tom, I find this same thing happening in my '07 Si sedan, most noticeably in slow traffic on the highway. The most annoying part is the bucking/surging and general feeling of getting engine braking in first and second gear when just trolling along at less than 10 mph. Is everyone else experiencing this at low speeds? Also this happens when my engine is completely warmed up, not just at cold start.

My car only does this when cold. After 2-3 bars it's totally smooth. I think that is the norm around here. It should not surge when warm.

[Imark89I]

i just got my reflash done today. i have an 06 si and the service manager at my dealership tried to bullshit me and say its only the 07 si's that have the problem then i threatened to pull up this forum with the service note thing and then he submitted and said they can do. but im not sure is the reflash is messing with my mind because i think it did wonders but my bbrother drove it also and he said its the same. he drives my car alot too soo its not like i can say you dont even know what your talking about

[CiviCxGirL]

My last digits are 707135 and I just called Orange County Honda World and he said there's nothing he can do about it. Only some new bulletin referring to some recall bearings. Ugh...he's saying this must be a new bulletin or something. =(

[07 NBP Si sedan]

My rpm's also stick and don't go down like any other manual I have driven. I guess Honda is starting to treat people like we own Fords. Found On Road Dead. Fixed Or Repaired Daily. F.O.R.D.

This is annoying

[Royce]

VIN here ends with 6H100798 ... but i know theres significant rev hang happening.. supposed to go to dealer on tuesday.. how can i lean on him to have it done?

[rp215]

I have an 07 with annoying rev hangs =[ FTL

[tolgaSI]

guysss..i've spent 2 hours reading 30 ****** pages of this shit and i'll tell u that the piece of shit VIN falls in range with my 07 Si coupe but instead it's
7H707222 not 6H707222. and i experience the same piece of shit symptoms that 06 Si owners experience. and if i understand correctly that honda doesn't have the update for 07 SI's??? i will talk to my dealer ig uess...i'm pissed because I experience the same bogging and surging and crap while i drive..makes it seem like we can't driveeeee..i hate it.. i press the clutch to let the rpm needle drop a certain range and then let go of the clutch completely to continue in the next gear! fukinnnn honda...sorry guys im just really angry! Roughlyy almost all of us paid like close to $25K sooo i'm gonna bug the crap out of the dealer.

[twsi]

i've got an 07 coupe no rev hang issues
vin ending 7H711494

[eSeYe]

I have an 07 si coupe with REV HANG.... Very annoying... anything us 07 owners could do?

[sizroch]

Yep, I have the same issue. I have an appointment on Monday to reflash the ECU with a different Honda dealership. This service manager seemed to know the issue quite well and said to bring it in. According to him, it makes a noticeable positive difference with the hanging RPMs.

The hanging RPMs for me are not as annoying as the sputtering hesitation that you sense from a dead stop. The service manager said the ECU reflash attempts to address this issue as well, but, he has not noticed a huge difference in this respect.

I've been driving a stick for longer than I want to admit and I have to say the drive-by-wire system (at least Honda's version) is flat out lousy. I have a 94 Acura Integra GS-R with over 222k miles on it and the throttle response is still instantaneous using the conventional mechanical cable. There was nothing to improve upon here; they had a system that was tried and true - flawless...

Except for the throttle response, this is simply a terrific car for the money. Let's hope Honda can come up with a real fix for this. The current throttle configuration is just not safe for driving within moderate to heavy traffic.

I'll provide an update once the ECU is reflashed and I've tested it out for a few days.

[GlxyGry06Si]

Originally Posted by sizroch

I have to say the drive-by-wire system (at least Honda's version) is flat out lousy.

i dont just think its hondas but most dbw's. someone had a link that had the bmw guys bitching up a storm. when you get the reflash you will not have much bad to say about the dbw then. good luck.

[sizroch]

Thanks GlxyGry06Si; I assume you've had the reflash done and are happy with it. If so, I hope my result is the same.

[schwartzki]

FYI: the tsb are just a suggestion of a number vehicles that have an issue. If you are having issues the scan tool will be able to tell them the software version your car has and if its the updated software.

[sizroch]

Ok guys, I've just spent the past hour reading all 30 pages of complaints here referencing the issue that most of us are complaining about, the Drive-by-Wire system in our 2006 and 2007 Honda Civic Si.

Although I am scheduled to get an ECU reflash, after reading everyone who has had it done, I'm convinced it is a hit-or-miss matter. This tells me Honda has not done an effective job of informing its dealerships of a solution (if a complete solution does indeed exist).

There is little excuse that up to this point, Honda has not sent each of us a letter owning up to the issue and resolving this issue. It is time that we as consumers take action.

What will get Honda's legal department's attention is the fact that this is a SAFETY ISSUE. From this point forward, we have to point out the SAFETY aspects of a system that simulates leaving your foot on the accelerator. We have to point out the SAFETY aspects of a first gear that bucks and potentially stalls causing a condition where a non-alert driver could plow in from behind causing unnecessary injury.

We paid for a product and had an expectation of reasonable driveability of a vehicle with a manual transmission. We did not receive that and Honda has had ample time to review the complaints, develop a solution, and implement a solution. I understand that the volume of Si's are as such that this is likely a blip on Honda's radar screen. But, we're not taking it. We're tired of Honda dealerships looking at us like aliens when we raise the issues. We're tired of the stories regarding VIN#s that are impacted and the year the TSB applies to. Every 06 & 07 Honda Civic Si from the factory appears to have a variation of the Drive-by-Wire throttle system defect. It may not seem macho, but, if we're going to get Honda's attention - from this point forward guys, point out the SAFETY issues associated with the car's Drive-by-Wire defect.

I will do my part by contacting Honda's legal department and asking if they are aware of the issues associated with the 06 & 07 Honda Civic Si.

[Bally-ho]

This sizroch dude sounds like he know what hes talkin about. Yah, it's a safety issue for sure. I have the 06 and problem still there. I want him as my attoney. Better yet, as my probation officer