Undoing Honda's Stealth Approach to Hybrids

[02civicsi]

Originally Posted by CameronJr9

Didn't realize that. Thanks for the info. +rep!

So, instead of 38 mpg, he's averaging 40.7?

Domo Arigato for the rep.

That's about what I figured but that would mean he would have to run the gas tank dry to get all 12.3 gallons. The sad part is that he is still not getting the EPA MPG even at 40.7mpg. The hybrid is "supposed" to get 49city/51hghwy.

[I Vtec, do you?]

Does this thread remind anyone else of the 'smug' southpark episode?

[Agnt004]

Originally Posted by I Vtec, do you?

Does this thread remind anyone else of the 'smug' southpark episode?

LOL! Just watched that episode yesterday at ALLSP.com!

[wing_gundam]

Stock or hybrid. Either car is cheap if you drive it efficiently. Either car is crap if you do burnouts from red lights. The most efficient use of a hybrid is one that can run on no gas in stopped traffic and using it for city driving. A hybrid doesn't get great milage on the highway anyways per say - its a gasoline efficiency issue, not a battery availability one (meaning either car works).

So if your a taxi = get a hybrid
if your doing long highway commutes = get a regular 1.8L civic

and as long as you drive both with slow acceleration you will have great fuel econ and value. If not, all those stats are useless (Wrong and misleading).



But back to OP, I guess you could put badges or something on it. I don't know why you want to be too flashy. If everyone around you are driving American cars, they might slash your tires? hehe. But think about it.

[CameronJr9]

Originally Posted by 02civicsi

Domo Arigato for the rep.

That's about what I figured but that would mean he would have to run the gas tank dry to get all 12.3 gallons. The sad part is that he is still not getting the EPA MPG even at 40.7mpg. The hybrid is "supposed" to get 49city/51hghwy.

You're welcome. And just to continue our conversation, I just checked.

http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-hybrid/

New 2008 fuel estimates are 40 city/45 hwy mpg (Which actually doesn't make much sense given wing's comments above mine).

[02civicsi]

IIRC the standards were corrected to a more realistic level starting in 2008. www.epa.gov/fueleconomy.

[Jayhawker]

I really feel the Hybrid will get "CLOSE" to what Honda listed on the window sticker "IF" driven properly. When I got home today, my trip odometer said I was averaging 43.7 mpg. Again, not bad for cruising at 75 mph with the air cranking.

I have read on greenhybrid of owners getting better gas mileage than the window sticker. I just can't do it. I go to fast to maximize fuel savings.

And, we are not talking Prius here, we are talking about the Civic Hybrid.

I don't want to get into a debate here on how long it will take to make up for the gas savings. Like I said earlier, the sole purpose for me was to get into the HOV with only myself in the car. I agree it will take a few years to recoup the cost difference between the Hybrid and an LX. In all honesty, I don't really care about being green. My S, STi and EVO we all catless.

[GoHuskies]

Originally Posted by wing_gundam

So if your a taxi = get a hybrid
if your doing long highway commutes = get a regular 1.8L civic

and as long as you drive both with slow acceleration you will have great fuel econ and value. If not, all those stats are useless (Wrong and misleading).

I beg to differ

Highway is this creatures pasture. The hybrid has a major advantage over the normal civic in terms of the ability to cut the flow of gas into the chambers when taking pressure off the pedal.

Release pressure, then reapply just enough so as to trigger the electric motor and kill regen braking. The valves stay shut and your wasting no gas, but you can stretch a coast a long distance while still keeping up speed, or maintain a constant downhill speed without using a sip of gas.

This is know as "gliding" in the hybrid world, the ability to extend a coast longer than an average car and not use gas during the glide.

Another reason is the hybrid uses Assist power during accel. vs just engine on the normal civic. With a MT you could milk good milaege from a normal civic on gear control but the hybrid makes up for the lack of control by using partial electric power rarther than full gas power.

But back to the OP:
Emblem sourse
Old pre 06 model source, but I think those are more noticable than the current generation emblems.

As for long run expences, the only services I've had have been warrenty covered, and If I'm not mistaken the normal civics have had more recalls than hybrid thus far.

The only questionable part is the battery which has my CT 100K mile or 10 year warrenty so I think I'm covered for a good while!

NYC has had 6 Ford escape hybirds with 175,000+ miles on each and has had no major hybrid system related problems.

[GalaxyGreySi]

Here is a good article that the Hybrid owners should read before rubbing it in the faces of their redneck neighbors:
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/edito...asp?NewsID=188

[GalaxyGreySi]

Also read this Car and Driver article:
http://www.caranddriver.com/dailyaut...efficiency.htm

[GalaxyGreySi]

If you really want to get into some of these reports, and why attempting to rub it in other's faces really just makes you a big smug asshole, read this:
http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automoti...%20VERSION.pdf

[GoHuskies]

The EPA estimates were updated for all cars. Eve stiill the hybrid has the capacity to travel over 1000 miles on a tank of gas. The normal civic doesn't.

The article doesn't take into account a hybrid owner might drive their car for 5-10 years but how many hummer drivers are going to drive their cars that long?

In the 10 year range one prius is better than an owner buying 2-3 hummers or other expencive SUV's.

I don't think anyone here is trying to rub in. I'm only trying to knock down the common misconception that hybrids are a waste and really worse cars then normal cars. The goal of the hybrid is to save you money in the long run as oil runs out and prices rise.

[Agnt004]

Originally Posted by GoHuskies

I don't think anyone here is trying to rub in. I'm only trying to knock down the common misconception that hybrids are a waste and really worse cars then normal cars. The goal of the hybrid is to save you money in the long run as oil runs out and prices rise.

That is true for the majority of hybrid owners (as long as you keep it long enough), however, some people buy them exclusively to help the environment and evidently they made the wrong decision.

[07-[ivi]]

I have an EX and I get about 430 a tank and I still could go more. I am at 40-41 mpg so if that is what you are getting then I am glad I bought my 07 EX

[dc5 jet]

any chance of a k20 hybrid? jk

[GoHuskies]

I get 54-56 mpg and around 600 miles a tank. Mostly woodland state road driving in the hilly regions. If I lived in the flats or near a highway I'm sure I could stretch that.

As for the enviroment I still fail to see where the hummar is more enviromentally fiendly.

[Soybean]

I've only owned my Civic Hybrid long enough for 5 tanks, but I've averaged 56.3 mpg over them. Granted I accelerate very slowly and drive with fuel economy in mind, but still... a massive improvement over my Camry.

You guys are also assuming gasoline remains at a reasonable $2.50-$3.00. Maybe it will. Maybe the price will even decline. But with rapidly rising demand for petroleum in fast-developing nations like India and China, I find it unlikely.

[celicav]

I've put 6 tanks of gas on my Hybrid since purchasing it 3 months ago, and I am averaging 47 MPG, mostly on flat Interstate driving. I usually average between 60-65 mph on the highway.

[udumkid]

Get costume tags that read

"PRIUS"

[arbittan]

Originally Posted by [I

GoHuskies;1502075]The EPA estimates were updated for all cars. Eve stiill the hybrid has the capacity to travel over 1000 miles on a tank of gas. The normal civic doesn't.[/i]

WHAT????? 1000 miles per tank.... The Civic has a 12.3 gallon tank, that would mean you are get about 81mpg.....

I highly doubt you are getting that kind of mileage out of your car. I get closer to what the new EPA standards are 35-40mpg...