Just got done changing my oil.

[Kroze]

It's 8:10pm and I did it with a single flash light. LOL

16,469k miles, 3rd oil change

OEM honda filter + Mobil 1 Synthetic 5w20. $32 in parts & 30 minutes of back breaking labor.

[Kroze]

Why oem filter? because there was a comparison a while ago out there that they compare the OEM filter to all of the aftermarket and the oem wins hand down in build quality. They cut the filters in half and the inspect each one individually. worst one is FRAM.

It's complete shit. Whatever you do, do not get FRAM :/

[airportguy770]

Really? I've always used FRAM, while growing up thats all I remember my dad using. I've never had a problem with them.

[SiGTi]

oil changes done by the dealer cost less than $32 for me.

[sbigshot]

Originally Posted by Kroze

30 minutes of back breaking labor.

You must have an Si.... the R18's oil filter is super easy to access and change when you have the Honda wrench that fits it perfectly. :)

(or were you being sarcastic )

[ethlar]

theres a certain satisfaction you get by getting under the car and doing it yourself that you dont get from the dealer

[Kroze]

Originally Posted by airportguy770

Really? I've always used FRAM, while growing up thats all I remember my dad using. I've never had a problem with them.

with the filter cut in half, the FRAM is so shitty compare to everything else. the quality/craftsmanship is just pure shit. plastic everything compare to Metal of an OEM one and some of the higher quality filters.

[Kroze]

Originally Posted by sbigshot

You must have an Si.... the R18's oil filter is super easy to access and change when you have the Honda wrench that fits it perfectly. :)

(or were you being sarcastic )

You have to find a way to do your own...like i said in another thread...




I change my own oil. Because quite frankly, i don't trust them clowns.

You know who they let change your oil? some 17/18 year old kid with no regard to your vehicle and have no experience. The same kid who they let road test drive you car & wreck it once the real mechanic finish fixing a particular car. The same kid who will scratch up your car, break minor things, don't even care to put a new filter in if it's too difficult to get to.

The real mechanic doesn't touch your car for simple crap like changing oil. All the grunt work goes to them intern/high school kids they hire.



For the same price ($31-$32), i'd rather do it myself with Mobile 1 synthetic oil.



P.S.
I'm not lying :/
I know a guy who work at Honda dealership and recently moved to Ford. He's 19 and still in Pennco Tech. All of the horror stories he tell me and what the dealership let them do is just scary. It's pretty standard that "if they (customer) don't know, then the work has been done"

[sbigshot]

^^ You missed my point ... you said back breaking labor. I have an R18 and it is one of the easiest vehicles I have owned for oil changes. That is why I asked if you had an Si, the oil filter in those is hard to get to.

[Kroze]

oh heh i was being sarcastic about the backbreaking labor :/

[Cybergypsy]

Originally Posted by Kroze

You have to find a way to do your own...like i said in another thread...




I change my own oil. Because quite frankly, i don't trust them clowns.

You know who they let change your oil? some 17/18 year old kid with no regard to your vehicle and have no experience. The same kid who they let road test drive you car & wreck it once the real mechanic finish fixing a particular car. The same kid who will scratch up your car, break minor things, don't even care to put a new filter in if it's too difficult to get to.

The real mechanic doesn't touch your car for simple crap like changing oil. All the grunt work goes to them intern/high school kids they hire.



For the same price ($31-$32), i'd rather do it myself with Mobile 1 synthetic oil.



P.S.
I'm not lying :/
I know a guy who work at Honda dealership and recently moved to Ford. He's 19 and still in Pennco Tech. All of the horror stories he tell me and what the dealership let them do is just scary. It's pretty standard that "if they (customer) don't know, then the work has been done"

I rather take it to the dealer.....

[Kroze]

Originally Posted by Cybergypsy

I rather take it to the dealer.....

whatever floats your boat


I used to work for this independent shop...shit goes on there but i didn't expect a dealership to do the same crap. lol.


One time we had this idiot came into our shop saying that he need his transmission replace...on a fairly new car (3-4 years old). So the manager quoted him $1200. He said okay. after the guy leave, the manager have me (the apprentice/intern) at that time, go ahead and replace the bad front axle . LOL.

$1200 - $50 part = $1150 for less than an hour of work. so as far as he know, he have a brand new transmission.

[Yodums]

+1 for doing it yourself. I brought it to the dealer for my first oil change and I found out they didn't even use a crush washer on the drain plug. I found this out as I was draining the oil during my second oil change, where I decided to do it myself. The drain plug felt like it was welded on. I think they were on a mission to strip the threads or something.

Aside from doing the job myself, I think a big part of it is convenience. I'd rather just walk outside to the garage and get things settled immediately. I just don't have the time to sit around and wait 2 hours for a dealership to do a simple oil change, especially when they promised me it'd be no longer than a 30 minute wait.

[si_civic]

AMSOIL filters are great Keep that in mind. I think they protect up to 15 microns? or something?
https://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/eao.aspx

[civic_coupe]

do u feel a difference on your r18 with synthetic oil oppse to regular oil that honda recommends? i'd like to do my own but they say it'll void my warranty if i dont have papers to prove otherwise

[ethlar]

Originally Posted by civic_coupe

do u feel a difference on your r18 with synthetic oil oppse to regular oil that honda recommends? i'd like to do my own but they say it'll void my warranty if i dont have papers to prove otherwise

your dealer is full of crap, you can change your oil yourself, they cannot void your warranty because of it, especially if you have reciepts for the purchase of oil and filter, and if they do attempt to void your warranty call honda of america and file a complaint because they cant. I use synthetic in mine because i dont feel comfortable running regular oil for the 5-7k miles that the maintenance minder wants you to.

[aodmisery]

Originally Posted by SiGTi

oil changes done by the dealer cost less than $32 for me.

he used mobil 1 synthetic thats like 5 bucks a quart. the dealer gives you cheap honda oil. thats like $1 a quart

[SodaGuy]

Originally Posted by Kroze

Why oem filter? because there was a comparison a while ago out there that they compare the OEM filter to all of the aftermarket and the oem wins hand down in build quality. They cut the filters in half and the inspect each one individually. worst one is FRAM.

It's complete shit. Whatever you do, do not get FRAM :/

Originally Posted by Kroze

with the filter cut in half, the FRAM is so shitty compare to everything else. the quality/craftsmanship is just pure shit. plastic everything compare to Metal of an OEM one and some of the higher quality filters.

Originally Posted by si_civic

AMSOIL filters are great Keep that in mind. I think they protect up to 15 microns? or something?
https://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/eao.aspx

Fram and Filtech are the suppliers to Honda for their genuine filters. Filtech manufactures about half of all genuine filters made and Fram does the other half; I commonly see the Fram version used as service filters at dealerships. The cost is identical, just a supplier thing. You can distinguish between the two by the part numbers. The Filtech ones will end in A01, Fram ones will end in A02. And yes, they are of different designs. (Fram vs. Filtech)

Be wary of those internet oil filter comparisons you see. They are strictly the opinion of the self-proclaimed "expert" and have little or no scientific value. It is merely the opinion of the reviewer as to whether a filter design is superior or inferior...more often than not, he/she does not have any scientific data produced under controlled and accurate conditions to verify his/her claims of a particular filter's inferiority or superiority.

All oil filters for a particular application are built to meet/exceed OEM specifications. The cheaper/lower-end filters are what they are; they barely meet minimum specifications (in my personal opinion). Still, I would have no hesitation using them for the one “oil life cycle” per the Maintenance Minder system (typically 5-7k miles) as the oil filter serves little purpose after initial engine break-in and especially during such a shorter drain interval, where the oil filter has little chance of exceeding its capacity and having issues with ADBV failure or media disintegration.

Honda does recommend replacing the engine oil filter at every other oil change. I personally feel that this is easily accomplished by a top-quality filter, but not a low-end filter. Mobil 1 Extended Performance, K&N, and Amsoil EaO are filters that I would feel comfortable replacing at every other oil change as recommended by Honda. They are of a much higher efficiency, build quality, and capacity than the low-end filter offerings, which is crucial when the filter is used for an extended period of time. Even Dyson Analysis (www.dysonanalysis.com) recommends using the Amsoil EaO and replacing it at every other oil change given their great field results with that filter, though they consider the K&N to be a runner-up.* Nevertheless, you really cannot go wrong with any of those three filters if you're looking for a top-quality one; the Amsoil is the best and most expensive, but the K&N offers a good balance of price and performance and would be my personal pick.

Here's a quick list of the cost and part numbers of the three filters:

Amsoil EaO13- $16 shipped, when you purchase three at a time from a dealer.
K&N HP-1010- $9.49 shipped, when you purchase three at a time from Amazon.
Mobil 1 EP M1-110- $12 w/tax from most AutoZone stores.

* References: 1, 2, 3, 4

Originally Posted by aodmisery

he used mobil 1 synthetic thats like 5 bucks a quart. the dealer gives you cheap honda oil. thats like $1 a quart

There is very little difference in performance between SM/GF-4 rated mineral oils given that they all use the same type of base oil and the “low-end” additive package from the various large additive companies, so just use the cheapest 5W20 you can find. Honda oil is produced by ExxonMobil and is probably quite similar to their Clean 5000 or Superflo offerings so I doubt it's better or worse than any other SM/GF-4 5W20 oil on the market today.

[DNieves]

Speaking of oil and filters, what ever happened to Slick 50?

[SodaGuy]

Originally Posted by DNieves

Speaking of oil and filters, what ever happened to Slick 50?

The current Slick50 is different than the old stuff that gave people problems...it was reformulated after all of the complaints. So, it's now harmless...but still useless...and still snake oil.