Something you will laugh at, but just wanna share.

[Mac2118]

I have a nice porterhouse out on the grill right now.

[c130turboprop]

Originally Posted by NitrousG35

There is a science behind air swirl and fuel atomization. The smaller the droplets of fuel are, the better the combustion. I understand the concept behind the Tornado fuel saver. Swirl characteristics are designed into combustion chambers and intake and exhaust ports. Intake manifolds are also designed with swirl enhancement in mind. Air that has controlled turbulance creates more power and fuel efficiency.

With that said, this piece looks like more of an impediment to airflow than an assistance. The Si intake tube was designed for proper airflow on a stock motor. Placing something inside the tube would only limit the amount of air getting to the intake. If something like this was that good at improving performance and fuel economy, you would think the manufacturers would have used it years ago.

To me, it is another deal like the infamous cow magnets placed on cars back in the 1970's to improve fuel economy. The magnets along with the Tornado fuel saver were debunked at Mankato State University Engineering. MSU profs debunk gas savers — Minnesota State University, Mankato (MSU) – 2004-06-06

I do want to say that it is important that we try and think outside the box. Conventional thinking limits what we can do. I support the OP's willingness to try something out. If he feels the gains are noticeable and the product is worth the money, more power to him. What we don't want to do is to mock or make fun of people trying something different.

For me, I will spend my increasingly hard earned dollars on ideas I know will work. I really wish that there were magical things that could improve the efficiency of our cars, but alas, we all know how expensive it is to make improvements on our cars.

well said Bill, Bravo!

[vince1128]

Originally Posted by NitrousG35

There is a science behind air swirl and fuel atomization. The smaller the droplets of fuel are, the better the combustion. I understand the concept behind the Tornado fuel saver. Swirl characteristics are designed into combustion chambers and intake and exhaust ports. Intake manifolds are also designed with swirl enhancement in mind. Air that has controlled turbulance creates more power and fuel efficiency.

With that said, this piece looks like more of an impediment to airflow than an assistance. The Si intake tube was designed for proper airflow on a stock motor. Placing something inside the tube would only limit the amount of air getting to the intake. If something like this was that good at improving performance and fuel economy, you would think the manufacturers would have used it years ago.

To me, it is another deal like the infamous cow magnets placed on cars back in the 1970's to improve fuel economy. The magnets along with the Tornado fuel saver were debunked at Mankato State University Engineering. MSU profs debunk gas savers — Minnesota State University, Mankato (MSU) – 2004-06-06

I do want to say that it is important that we try and think outside the box. Conventional thinking limits what we can do. I support the OP's willingness to try something out. If he feels the gains are noticeable and the product is worth the money, more power to him. What we don't want to do is to mock or make fun of people trying something different.

For me, I will spend my increasingly hard earned dollars on ideas I know will work. I really wish that there were magical things that could improve the efficiency of our cars, but alas, we all know how expensive it is to make improvements on our cars.

every post i read by you is extremely well thought out and detailed. rep if it was still avail

[TonyFG2]

Originally Posted by kekekekevin

My friend bought a Tornado Fan at eBay for his 05 TL and told me he got 2+ more mpg and the car pulls hard with that shit. I was all like what you guys react, wtf u serious? "Well, $30 something. Why not give it a try?" I said to myself. I got this shit this afternoon. Put it in right away. Because there isn't room for it before the MAF, I have to put it right behind the MAF. I concerned about not getting the right a/f raito. I brought my laptop with me so I could monitor the a/f ratio and test drive it. Hollyshit, my Si really pulls harder than ever. The the moment when Vtec kicks in is much more noticable and it revs faster. Believe it or not, it feels like you just put an intake or exhaust on a stock car. Also, MAP & MAF are working together appropriately. These are what I have done on my car yet: Poorman's Mugen Intake, K&N air filter, IMG, TB spacer, NST light weight pulley kit. I want the reflash to be my next mod, but not sure if my mods are ready for the reflash. I know you are laughing or something, but I just wanna share my experience with ya. When I have time this morning or Sunday maybe, I will take some pics and have my friend to look at my Dyno-Scan(a/f raito, air temp, MAP & MAF value, intake pressure, boost pressure, etc.) while I am driving and get some data for you guys to see. Maybe a DIY write up if you guys want one.

ill be the judge of it. i live in south sac. we could meet up and see if it really does make more power.

[kekekekevin]

a meet up?? race or what?

[TonyFG2]

no i mean test drive your car and see how it pulls.

[My5tiC4L]

Good ol' garlic salt and pepper is the way to go.

[michinsi]

[My5tiC4L]

[My5tiC4L]

[nnightingale]

Originally Posted by kekekekevin

Yes, inside the rubber intake tube. At first, I wanted to cut those fins before the sensor because I worry about the A/F ratio, but there might be some purpose for those fins there and since I have Dyno-Scan on my laptop. I put it after the MAF, and A/F works fine, mainly stays at 14.65+-

Hey what Dyno-Scan do you have?

[nnightingale]

Originally Posted by JEA86

i am gonna just say this, i think too many people start jumping on the bandwagon and start bashing products like this, HOWEVER, there is no dyno proof either way. So untill that time comes, have fun man and happy modding. I hope it really does work for you.

[nnightingale]

Originally Posted by kekekekevin

a meet up?? race or what?

hey at least someone is willing to look at this instead of bash it without seeing it.

[nnightingale]

Originally Posted by NitrousG35

There is a science behind air swirl and fuel atomization. The smaller the droplets of fuel are, the better the combustion. I understand the concept behind the Tornado fuel saver. Swirl characteristics are designed into combustion chambers and intake and exhaust ports. Intake manifolds are also designed with swirl enhancement in mind. Air that has controlled turbulance creates more power and fuel efficiency.

With that said, this piece looks like more of an impediment to airflow than an assistance. The Si intake tube was designed for proper airflow on a stock motor. Placing something inside the tube would only limit the amount of air getting to the intake. If something like this was that good at improving performance and fuel economy, you would think the manufacturers would have used it years ago.

To me, it is another deal like the infamous cow magnets placed on cars back in the 1970's to improve fuel economy. The magnets along with the Tornado fuel saver were debunked at Mankato State University Engineering. MSU profs debunk gas savers — Minnesota State University, Mankato (MSU) – 2004-06-06

I do want to say that it is important that we try and think outside the box. Conventional thinking limits what we can do. I support the OP's willingness to try something out. If he feels the gains are noticeable and the product is worth the money, more power to him. What we don't want to do is to mock or make fun of people trying something different.

For me, I will spend my increasingly hard earned dollars on ideas I know will work. I really wish that there were magical things that could improve the efficiency of our cars, but alas, we all know how expensive it is to make improvements on our cars.

WOW yeah that is very well said

[jrotax101]

Originally Posted by c130turboprop

no its not... perfect a/f ratio is 14.7 to 1 so hes damn near being perfect...

no you are wrong.

At idle the AFR's should be between 13-15 , whilst stoichiometric mixture is approximately 14.7:1

N/A : When WOT anything above 13.5:1 is considered lean, whilst most people will aim for ~13, a lot preferring to keep it in the high 12's.

F/I : Should be ~ 10 - 10.8:1

I'd like to see you run your motor hard at 14.7:1 at WOT for a while :)

[miketat594]

Originally Posted by Zeuceone

steak sounds good.

S-T-E-A-K !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Count me in I'm buyin S-T-E-A-K- Not a TURD- BO- BO-NATOR / TORNADO, U know what ever this crap is. I'd feel better knowin that I ate, ENJOYED an crapped out $30 than to have more worthless JUNK in my garage, That if it really made true power we would all have it, since if you can afford to put gas in your ride then u got $30.
I heard if you put that TURBO blow off sound maker thingy in your tailpipe you get your car to make silly noises too

[dentrecords]

Originally Posted by Dark.GEAR

replace MAF with steak...will make your car super tender and rare! It will also increase raw power!!!

Your Prime Meat AutoMotorsports Rep.,
Tommy

amazing

lol

[BTRobertson]

Originally Posted by NitrousG35

There is a science behind air swirl and fuel atomization. The smaller the droplets of fuel are, the better the combustion. I understand the concept behind the Tornado fuel saver. Swirl characteristics are designed into combustion chambers and intake and exhaust ports. Intake manifolds are also designed with swirl enhancement in mind. Air that has controlled turbulance creates more power and fuel efficiency.

With that said, this piece looks like more of an impediment to airflow than an assistance. The Si intake tube was designed for proper airflow on a stock motor. Placing something inside the tube would only limit the amount of air getting to the intake. If something like this was that good at improving performance and fuel economy, you would think the manufacturers would have used it years ago.

To me, it is another deal like the infamous cow magnets placed on cars back in the 1970's to improve fuel economy. The magnets along with the Tornado fuel saver were debunked at Mankato State University Engineering. MSU profs debunk gas savers — Minnesota State University, Mankato (MSU) – 2004-06-06

I do want to say that it is important that we try and think outside the box. Conventional thinking limits what we can do. I support the OP's willingness to try something out. If he feels the gains are noticeable and the product is worth the money, more power to him. What we don't want to do is to mock or make fun of people trying something different.

For me, I will spend my increasingly hard earned dollars on ideas I know will work. I really wish that there were magical things that could improve the efficiency of our cars, but alas, we all know how expensive it is to make improvements on our cars.

As always, Bill proves he's the Jedi Master here. I would also add that if the throttle body spacers provided by P2R and other companies would have these blades integrated into the center, it would produce the same effect while not impeding the air flow. I recall having a throttle body Tornado piece for my 1995 Pontiac Firebird that improved throttle response greatly for about $50.00. It was a simple thing that I could've built myself out of a soda can, but the concept was the same: don't impeded air flow but produce the "atomizing" effect for the air. I believe the best place to produce the swirl is at the throttle body itself, where the air is at its highest velocity entering the intake manifold.

And why does atomizing work so well? Same reason you put cooling fins on a remote controlled airplane or car engine - surface area increase. Swirling the air atomizes the fuel into smaller particles, as Bill mentioned, but the reason this is effective is because you've created MORE surface area, in essence, because there are more smaller molecules in the mixture rather than fewer larger ones. Fuel will combust and burn better if ALL of the fuel is burned without any being left behind unburned...a smaller particle of fuel is going to burn thoroughly within the mixture.

Anyway, that's how I've come to learn the effect of these tornado'ing products, but the fact remains - if you restrict the air flow in the process of swirling it, you're shooting yourself in the foot.

[TonyFG2]

I feel a DIY coming on. Might try to make something similar without restriting air flow.