T1R Air Conduct Box

[SiBEAR]

Originally Posted by infiniti_4_life

What really bugs me is that every company says they spend a lot on R&D time yet they have never dyno'ed it during R&D. What kind of R&D do they do? Move it around till it looks good and put a sticker on it?

You totally read my mind. I would also like to know the diff. in power gains if I have foglights compared to cutting out the hole and putting a mesh grill or something.

Anyway, much props to T1R for coming out with something besides a filter on a stick.

[AJR Joey]

8thgens, please give us a minute on the dyno. We just installed the prototype last night and this was the first intake that was ever made.

[infiniti_4_life]

Whoa spell check. Ok I'm sorry for being an ass. I'll wait for the dyno. Hope to swap this with my CAI if the gains are reasonable with good throttle response like you said.

[shingles]

I'd be interested in seeing how the AFR is impacted by this. Typically the MAF sensor and the tube it sits in is carefully calibrated to provide the ECU with accurate information for fueling.

Did this/has this setup thrown any check engine lights?

[AJR Joey]

Originally Posted by shingles

I'd be interested in seeing how the AFR is impacted by this. Typically the MAF sensor and the tube it sits in is carefully calibrated to provide the ECU with accurate information for fueling.

Did this/has this setup thrown any check engine lights?

There were no CEL thrown after the installation and when it was driven.

[cornerstrike]

Originally Posted by AJR Joey

Thank you for the compliment. We have spent a lot of time and R&D to get this product where it is today. It will have good gains, we will hope to get a dyno result asap if we can. If not we can get out customers to dyno it with the parts in his car, he also has parts from us T1R 70RR, T1R Power Header, and see if he gets this also. This will let everyone know the results of the T1R combo.



There is a maf (all comes with MAF), in the 2nd picture. The maf sits on top just like the stock box.



Yes, the MAF section will be all pre-drilled. Its plug in play baby, bolt-on!

That is not the same location for the MAF as the OEM Si box. The stock placement is near or with the tube, not on the airbox itself.

Stock pic below(borrowed from an 8thCivic member)

[infiniti_4_life]

Thats good to hear. Subscribed for Dyno results...

[HTX]

Originally Posted by infiniti_4_life

What really bugs me is that every company says they spend a lot on R&D time yet they have never dyno'ed it during R&D. What kind of R&D do they do? Move it around till it looks good and put a sticker on it?

lol right?!?! They are mostly full of shit and its just marketing. If it were true then we would have a truely productive intake system on the a martket instead of the junk we have available. Thats why an intake is really the last thing on my list just because they seem like a waste of money right now

[JDMFGSI]

please post price...or pm me...also have cash...

[Impreza_22B]

Originally Posted by HTX

lol right?!?! They are mostly full of shit and its just marketing. If it were true then we would have a truely productive intake system on the a martket instead of the junk we have available. Thats why an intake is really the last thing on my list just because they seem like a waste of money right now

Please do not spread false information and bash on vendors/sponsors.
Air induction's R&D does not mean it must go through dyno.

I work at a company where we make OE air management system such as intake inlets, resonators, filter box, etc and we did not use dyno to present to the manufactures. Instead, we have a team of test techs, engineers and CAD/FEA guys to meet their expectation and guidelines. We used prototypes on pre production vehicles to test for durability.

Just a heads up .. again, i think their product appears to be legitimate.

[HTX]

Originally Posted by Impreza_22B

Please do not spread false information and bash on vendors/sponsors.
Air induction's R&D does not mean it must go through dyno.

I work at a company where we make OE air management system such as intake inlets, resonators, filter box, etc and we did not use dyno to present to the manufactures. Instead, we have a team of test techs, engineers and CAD/FEA guys to meet their expectation and guidelines. We used prototypes on pre production vehicles to test for durability.

Just a heads up .. again, i think their product appears to be legitimate.

uh what sponsor/vender did i bash and what did i say that wasnt true? From what i gather ur talking about oe setups as in factory equipment? Im talking about aftermarket. The word dyno isnt even anywhere in my post

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by SiRyan

Carb #?

[thisisdudewhoru]

Subscribed.

[Vtec_Yo]

I would definitely consider buying this. In for dyno/more pictures.

[Zeuceone]

cant wait for a dyno. see how this intake works.

[08_tw_si]

good joey!!!!!!if there is a group buy i might be one of the people on the list.....ive been waiting for this for a while now........and i keep checking the site but it was still under construction....and now that it is out im geting one for sure!!

but one question how would u say this compares with the x-intake??????

i know u guys havent dynoed it and lots of people are asking, but if u can please let me know how it stands up against the x-intake.

thanks joey

[NitrousG35]

Please everyone, I want you all to consider the fact that it is impossible to test a ram air system on a dyno. It cannot be done plain and simple. People need to stop asking for dyno info.

The reason you cannot test on a dyno is because there is no way to simulate the flow of air entering the scoop. Yes, I have heard of people suggesting weed blowers and large fans, but that is just ludicrous. There is no way to get the same amount of air flowing in a controlled state as would happen while driving at speed.

As speed increase on the road, the velocity of the car increases commensurately. There is increased air pressure as well. The only way that one could try and simulate the effects of rammed air into an intake would be to go to a wind tunnel and simulate roads speeds while testing manifold pressure changes. Manifold pressure should be increasing with velocity.

Better still would be a moving plane wind tunnel like those that are used in Formula 1. These are the most realistic ways to test aerodynamic values and pressures of any car. Unfortunately, accessing one of these would require you to be friends with Ron Dennis or someone at Ferrari.

Since the rammed air and enlarged airbox are increasing the cubic feet per minute of air moving into the intake, pressure will increase to the point of even making positive boost. That will be boost above one atmosphere or 14.696 psi. Yes, a properly designed ram air system will give a supercharging effect.

Here is a snippet from an article I found that states that they cannot test the ram air on a dyno, but rather it is tested while driving:

August 29, 2005. We tested the complete High Velocity System with Ram Air Box in a car on the road today. This test was to measure the effects of the air intake system with ram air while driving, since this cannot be tested on a chassis dyno. Our test car was a completly stock 05 Mustang GT. The test consisted of accelerating the car from 50 to 100mph in 3rd gear (roughly 3000 to 5850 rpm) while logging the data using a Diablo Predator. Our standard 80mm mass air sensor was used and there were no changes to the program in the car. The outside air temperature during the test was 67° and altitude was 3800ft. Here are the results.
Western MotorsportS (WMS) 2005 Mustang High Velocity Intake System

Another thing to consider is air density. Rammed air is cooler, thus the air is denser. Generally, a 10 degree drop in air temperature is worth about 2 hp. Most good ram air systems see about a 40 degree drop in temperature over systems drawing in air from under the hood. Some drawing air in the cowl see even greater temperature drops.

With all this said, a ram air system cannot be tested on a chassis dyno. There are too many parameters to measure that cannot be simulated. The best way to test cars with ram air is to actually drive them and use some type of instrumentation like a G-tech or the like. I also just saw a program on Speed Channel about the MSD Dashhawk. It can record 0-60 and quarter mile times. This is a better assessment of performance gains than a dyno.

[Zeuceone]

a dyno is still needed.

[dk27]

Will there be any 1/4 mile tests or 0-60 etc. Seems like it would be a better test for something like this.

[AJR Joey]

Just to let everyone know that there is a bracket, to hold the air duct into place. You can not see it because the duct is covering the bracket in the picture.