Tsx Cams Installed - Page 2

BATANG CITY JAIL · 03-10-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NitrousG35

Got it. Thanks. So, is the Hondata then incompatible with the TSX cams? If so, what a shame. Then a person would have to choose between the cams or the reflash until K-Pro comes along. Why is it we have such an uphill battle to modify our cars?

hondata said that it will work on the reflash as long as you dont rev it pass the reflashed TSX rev limiter which is 7600rpm as thier website says..

***NitrousG35*** · 03-10-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BATANG CITY JAIL

hondata said that there is no problem swaping the TSX cam and the AFR will adjust easily since the MAF is pretty good on picking up the adjusment, but hondata also advise that as long as you keep it on the certain RPM he see no problem, that RPM is what hondata put the limiter to the tsx reflash. i think its 7600.

Got it. Good to hear that the AFR will be adjusted by the MAF. Kind of sad to see the rev limit at 7600 though.

***k20z3 Koop*** · 03-10-2008, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by k20z3 Koop

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Originally Posted by silverspoon1996

also.. our cars with a reflash.. can run a K24 engine with good air fuels.. People say they lean out uptop... but he assured me the Air fuel because we have a MAF isnt the problem.. its the fact that the K24 is not mechanically designed to spin to 8,000+ that it will blow up.. ITS NOT HOW... its WHEN it will.

^ From the Hondata thread. he was referring to the K24 block, not cams.

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Originally Posted by BATANG CITY JAIL

hondata said that it will work on the reflash as long as you dont rev it pass the reflashed TSX rev limiter which is 7600rpm as thier website says..

Just got off the phone with Doug from Hondata...

Where are you seeing this batang?

BATANG CITY JAIL · 03-10-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by k20z3 Koop

Just got off the phone with Doug from Hondata...

Where are you seeing this batang?

i read it here somewhere..

he was talking about cams... mybe a typo,

if you can run a k24 engine to our car,why running a SI reflash? you have a TSX engine or CRV's engine bolted on your car.....

***k20z3 Koop*** · 03-10-2008, 10:08 AM

Are you sure? I can't seem to find it...

I'm not trying to be a dick, i just don't want any misinformation floating around. You know how things bounce around here, its like a kindergarten game of telephone.

***nbilyue*** · 03-10-2008, 10:09 AM

I also have TSX cams and have for a few months. There is no way they are making 10-15hp. They maybe make 5 tops. Until I see a dyno I don't believe it. I only made 196 sae and 205 uncorrected. The dyno could have been a little off since it was just recalibrated, the AFRS were off, I installed a wideband
after I got the dyno done because they made me nervous and the dyno sniffer was running leaner than it really was.

Here is a link to my dyno

Dyno run, help needed!

BATANG CITY JAIL · 03-10-2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by k20z3 Koop

Are you sure? I can't seem to find it...

I'm not trying to be a dick, i just don't want any misinformation floating around. You know how things bounce around here, its like a kindergarten game of telephone.

he was talking about cams... mybe a typo,

if you can run a k24 engine to our car,why running a SI reflash? you have a TSX engine or CRV's engine bolted on your car.....

3)K24s work.. and dont run lean.. but dont rev it over what hondata raises the rev limiter to on a K24a2 TSX.

from hondatas website:
5000 rpm VTEC point decreased from 6000 rpm
7600 rpm Rev limit, increased from 7300 rpm (for auto trans must be in sportshift mode)
Maximum torque gain 26 ft/lbs torque at 6000 rpm
Maximum power gain 29 hp at 6000 rpm
Peak torque increases from 169ft/lbs at 4500 rpm to 175 ft pounds at 7500 rpm
Peak power increases from 206 hp at 7100 rpm to 210 at 6800 rpm
Very wide flat smooth torque curve. 90% of peak torque available from 2000-7000 rpm.
Passes Californian smog testing (no measurable difference from stock)
Fully dealer compatible - works with all Honda scan tools and equipment
The Hondata TSX reflash is designed for use with an intake and headers. It will work very well with a stock airbox and stock headers. Testing was done with a stock cat back system.

jdmcoupe · 03-10-2008, 10:16 AM

mattsbobo · 03-10-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by nbilyue

I also have TSX cams and have for a few months. There is no way they are making 10-15hp. They maybe make 5 tops. Until I see a dyno I don't believe it.

Why don't you dyno your car for us then?

***k20z3 Koop*** · 03-10-2008, 10:18 AM

^ He did, he showed unfortunately low gains

I'm still thinking about doing this...not until next summer though

**Nomar06** · 03-10-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NitrousG35

Got it. Good to hear that the AFR will be adjusted by the MAF. Kind of sad to see the rev limit at 7600 though.

Why? Peak power is reached at 7800 on our cars. If you look at dynos without Hondata the power drops off slightly above 7800.

mattsbobo · 03-10-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by k20z3 Koop

^ He did, he showed unfortunately low gains

Ooops. My bad.

***k20z3 Koop*** · 03-10-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BATANG CITY JAIL

he was talking about cams... mybe a typo,

if you can run a k24 engine to our car,why running a SI reflash? you have a TSX engine or CRV's engine bolted on your car.....

3)K24s work.. and dont run lean.. but dont rev it over what hondata raises the rev limiter to on a K24a2 TSX.

from hondatas website:
5000 rpm VTEC point decreased from 6000 rpm
7600 rpm Rev limit, increased from 7300 rpm (for auto trans must be in sportshift mode)
Maximum torque gain 26 ft/lbs torque at 6000 rpm
Maximum power gain 29 hp at 6000 rpm
Peak torque increases from 169ft/lbs at 4500 rpm to 175 ft pounds at 7500 rpm
Peak power increases from 206 hp at 7100 rpm to 210 at 6800 rpm
Very wide flat smooth torque curve. 90% of peak torque available from 2000-7000 rpm.
Passes Californian smog testing (no measurable difference from stock)
Fully dealer compatible - works with all Honda scan tools and equipment
The Hondata TSX reflash is designed for use with an intake and headers. It will work very well with a stock airbox and stock headers. Testing was done with a stock cat back system.

That still refers to the K24 ENGINE not k20 engine with k24 cams.. I'm not seeing it..

I don't see how he typo'd engine for cams several times...

***nbilyue*** · 03-10-2008, 10:24 AM

That dyno run is what led to me saying "F**K it" and ordering my Comptech kit haha. I mean the car feels good, better than it did before. I am going to try to get it at least one track run with this set up, I haven't run with the cams yet and we'll see if I get a better time, I think we are going to try to hit the track this upcoming weekend.

BATANG CITY JAIL · 03-10-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by k20z3 Koop

That still refers to the K24 ENGINE not k20 engine with k24 cams.. I'm not seeing it..

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***nbilyue*** · 03-10-2008, 10:28 AM

Batang, that post is about using a K24 block with the Z3 head. Not using the K24 cams in the Z3 head.

***k20z3 Koop*** · 03-10-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nbilyue

Batang, that post is about using a K24 block with the Z3 head. Not using the K24 cams in the Z3 head.

He is saying that a K24 block should not be spun as high as a K20 - you'll prolly spin a bearing.

BATANG CITY JAIL · 03-10-2008, 10:31 AM

ah....

***nbilyue*** · 03-10-2008, 10:33 AM

It is confirmed I will be going to the track this weekend, So we should see if the cams helped at all. I'll let you guys know what happens since this will probably be the last time I run NA.

slvrSI2.0 · 03-10-2008, 10:34 AM

You all said that the Exhaust Cam is the same in the type r and in the tsx but what about the Si. is the exhaust cam the same in all three?

03-10-2008, 10:08 AM	#25 (permalink)
*k20z3 Koop* Grab her face Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mass Posts: 1,721 Keith iTrader: 4 / 100%	Are you sure? I can't seem to find it... I'm not trying to be a dick, i just don't want any misinformation floating around. You know how things bounce around here, its like a kindergarten game of telephone. __________________ ^ You know you want it. My Si For sale: http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/8th-g...brand-new.html Partout: http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/parti...ibrant-rh.html

03-10-2008, 10:09 AM	#26 (permalink)
*nbilyue* VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 24 Posts: 944 Neal iTrader: 1 / 100%	I also have TSX cams and have for a few months. There is no way they are making 10-15hp. They maybe make 5 tops. Until I see a dyno I don't believe it. I only made 196 sae and 205 uncorrected. The dyno could have been a little off since it was just recalibrated, the AFRS were off, I installed a wideband after I got the dyno done because they made me nervous and the dyno sniffer was running leaner than it really was. Here is a link to my dyno Dyno run, help needed! Last edited by nbilyue; 03-10-2008 at 10:17 AM.

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*k20z3 Koop* Grab her face Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mass Posts: 1,721 Keith iTrader: 4 / 100%	^ He did, he showed unfortunately low gains I'm still thinking about doing this...not until next summer though __________________ ^ You know you want it. My Si For sale: http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/8th-g...brand-new.html Partout: http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/parti...ibrant-rh.html

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03-10-2008, 10:24 AM	#34 (permalink)
*nbilyue* VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 24 Posts: 944 Neal iTrader: 1 / 100%	That dyno run is what led to me saying "F**K it" and ordering my Comptech kit haha. I mean the car feels good, better than it did before. I am going to try to get it at least one track run with this set up, I haven't run with the cams yet and we'll see if I get a better time, I think we are going to try to hit the track this upcoming weekend.

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*nbilyue* VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 24 Posts: 944 Neal iTrader: 1 / 100%	Batang, that post is about using a K24 block with the Z3 head. Not using the K24 cams in the Z3 head.

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03-10-2008, 10:33 AM	#39 (permalink)
*nbilyue* VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 24 Posts: 944 Neal iTrader: 1 / 100%	It is confirmed I will be going to the track this weekend, So we should see if the cams helped at all. I'll let you guys know what happens since this will probably be the last time I run NA.

03-10-2008, 10:34 AM	#40 (permalink)
slvrSI2.0 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jersey Posts: 42 iTrader: 0 / 0%	You all said that the Exhaust Cam is the same in the type r and in the tsx but what about the Si. is the exhaust cam the same in all three?