Reason for no more angled defoulers

[NitrousG35]

Originally Posted by Shark Tek

Does anyone knows if Casper Electronics have that O2 Sim listed as Off Road Use Only ?

If they listed as Off Road EPA can go after Race Header manufacturers. If they didn't do I they learn their lesson, the hard way.

I believe that Casper's Electronics indicated that their O2 simulators were for "off road use only". However, they were marketed for on road usage, thus the intervention by the EPA. The EPA does not want people to either remove or disable a catalytic converter.

From what I have gathered, they were punished for selling electronic devices that could trick the ECU into thinking the gas readout was fine when in fact the cars that were using the system had no catalytic converter at all. This is a clear violation of EPA policy.

[Shark Tek]

So their mistake was to sell a device that will make the ECU thinks that everything is in order in the emission department.

Hopefully we can make a custom one with defouler spark plug sockets. Just if we want to remove the CAT and turn off the CEL.

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by Shark Tek

So their mistake was to sell a device that will make the ECU thinks that everything is in order in the emission department.

Hopefully we can make a custom one with defouler spark plug sockets. Just if we want to remove the CAT and turn off the CEL.

New companies are selling angled one's now.

[kurdtkobain87]

wow this is pretty dumb. in my case its kind of working against itself, because originally i was going to go with the vibrant and hiflow cat, but now i will go with an actual race header where a straight defouler will work. oh well.

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by kurdtkobain87

wow this is pretty dumb. in my case its kind of working against itself, because originally i was going to go with the vibrant and hiflow cat, but now i will go with an actual race header where a straight defouler will work. oh well.

get the angled defouler. It's better. Especially with a 2.5" pipe.

[kurdtkobain87]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

get the angled defouler. It's better. Especially with a 2.5" pipe.

but where from? strutking doesnt sell them anymore, and it looks like there is a chance of the weapon-r one being too big.

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by kurdtkobain87

but where from? strutking doesnt sell them anymore, and it looks like there is a chance of the weapon-r one being too big.

Do you have the header on your car already?

[kurdtkobain87]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

Do you have the header on your car already?

noo not yet. im going to place the order in a few days. lol i want to wait for someone else to try the weapon-r defouler first. it seems like its only an issue if you attempt to put the defouler in after you installed the race header, i hope thats the only issue. because i may go ahead and buy the weaponr defouler.

[NitrousG35]

Originally Posted by kurdtkobain87

wow this is pretty dumb. in my case its kind of working against itself, because originally i was going to go with the vibrant and hiflow cat, but now i will go with an actual race header where a straight defouler will work. oh well.

You can do what you want, but have you ever smelled an Si with a race heater w/o a cat? They stink to the high heavens. I was at a meet last year where one of the members had a DCSports RH. Man, the smell. I knew right then and there that I would only use a RH if there was some way to use a cat, albeit a more free flowing one than stock.

I got the Vibrant RH because it is OBD I compliant. My exhaust smells the same as stock. What you could do is to do something akin to what NA06si did. He used a Buddy Club Race Header and a shorty Magnaflow hfc. He didn't need a defouler as the Magnaflow hfc met emissions' testing and there were no CEL's. BCRH & Re-Flash *Pics & Video*

[Zeuceone]

better safe than sorry.

[NitrousG35]

Originally Posted by Zeuceone

better safe than sorry.

Good point Zeuce. The less problems I have with emissions or CEL's, the better I like it. I am not into fixing continual problems. I want a setup that is worry-free.

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by kurdtkobain87

noo not yet. im going to place the order in a few days. lol i want to wait for someone else to try the weapon-r defouler first. it seems like its only an issue if you attempt to put the defouler in after you installed the race header, i hope thats the only issue. because i may go ahead and buy the weaponr defouler.

Go ahead and put it on before you put the header in then.

[kurdtkobain87]

Originally Posted by NitrousG35

You can do what you want, but have you ever smelled an Si with a race heater w/o a cat? They stink to the high heavens. I was at a meet last year where one of the members had a DCSports RH. Man, the smell. I knew right then and there that I would only use a RH if there was some way to use a cat, albeit a more free flowing one than stock.

I got the Vibrant RH because it is OBD I compliant. My exhaust smells the same as stock. What you could do is to do something akin to what NA06si did. He used a Buddy Club Race Header and a shorty Magnaflow hfc. He didn't need a defouler as the Magnaflow hfc met emissions' testing and there were no CEL's. BCRH & Re-Flash *Pics & Video*

lol i think im immune to the smell now which is pretty bad. before my si i had an rsx and it had no cat. it smelled like ass, but i got used to it.

im assuming i would not make as much gains with the magnaflow hi flow cat also.

[KidnKorner]

Originally Posted by NitrousG35

I went on the Strutking site to find out why they had voluntarily quit selling angled defoulers. Strutking mentioned that they did not want the same thing happen to them that happened to Casper's Electronics.

This, from Strutking: We have voluntarily discontinued them due to the legal circumstances that had happened to Casper's Electronics

Casper's Electronics has had a Federal settlement with the EPA. They can no longer sell O2 oxygen sensor simulators. Here is the article that I found. It is from last July.

Now Casper's Electronics was apparently selling electronic devices that could fool the computer into thinking that the gases going out the tailpipe were in compliance, even without a cat. Apparently, Strutking doesn't want to run afoul of the law even though they were selling non-electrical devices.

As long as the product is sold for "off-raod & racing" purposes I don't see how the EPA can persue any legal action. They cant control what the end user does.

Originally Posted by soxfan143

Have any of you guys ordered from SCTuned and had any problems? I know this is WAY off topic but I'm getting nervous. I dumped $400.00 and my tracking number they gave me isn't working.

They have done this to an international customer of mine only he spent $2k+

[NitrousG35]

Originally Posted by KidnKorner

As long as the product is sold for "off-raod & racing" purposes I don't see how the EPA can persue any legal action. They cant control what the end user does.

I don't know either. The EPA must have felt that using an electronic O2 simulator would obviate the need to run a catalytic converter, therefore creating greater exhaust emissions. I believe the reason that the EPA took decisive action was that the product was marketed for cars "on road" rather than "off road".

[geffsi111]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

New companies are selling angled one's now.

oh yeah? what other companies aside from weapon r? thanks...

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by geffsi111

oh yeah? what other companies aside from weapon r? thanks...

That's it as far as I know. I know sctuned were supposed to start selling something. Not sure if it was the weapon r or not. They said they were waiting on some parts, so it leads me to believe that it's their own version.

[soxfan143]

Hey guys, I would highly recommend SCTuned for anything you guys need. I was having a small problem with my tracking number but a PM to Carlos over there and everything is on schedule. I should be getting my header tomorrow. yay. They have great customer service. They responded faster than any other place I've ever dealt with before. I will be buying all my stuff from him in the future.

[NitrousG35]

Originally Posted by soxfan143

Hey guys, I would highly recommend SCTuned for anything you guys need. I was having a small problem with my tracking number but a PM to Carlos over there and evrything is on schedule. I should be getting my header tomorrow. yay.

These are good people. I knew Carlos would take care of you.

[organiz3d_chaos]

Originally Posted by Excalibur

That's it as far as I know. I know sctuned were supposed to start selling something. Not sure if it was the weapon r or not. They said they were waiting on some parts, so it leads me to believe that it's their own version.

The PM I got from sctuned said they were making their own.... they were supposed to have them a few days ago, but they don't yet.