Cowl induction for cold, ram air for the Si?

[NitrousG35]

Originally Posted by MutantCheese

Aren't you going to be cutting the wiper/cowl area anyways for the "scoop"? would this allow enough room for the top cover to slip under it?

I will have to do some cutting no matter what. However, the top of the airbox, when secured to the base portion, will essentially be hitting the wiper cowl where I was going to access the air from.

My only concern is that there is almost no room to run any ducting. All the flexible tubing I bought was for nothing. The best I could do is to use a 4 inch flex coupler that came with the Spectre Industries tubing and just connect it to the wiper cowl and the airbox cover.

If the airbox sloped downwards on the top like the Si cover, I could use the flexible tubing I bought and the duct, but now I can't. I also have to figure out a way to make sure no water goes directly onto the air filter. What I would have to do is to attach some rubber moulding at the base of the duct so that water could not get in.

I need to first get the windshield wiper cowl off first. Then, I can determine how much material I need to cut away. In a way, the airbox is almost designed to work with cowl induction. I just to need to figure out how to make the right connections.

[NitrousG35]

Originally Posted by soxfan143

Bill to pull the cowl off you just need to pop the three plastic push pins out from the left middle and right side. You can see one of the push pins in one of the photos you posted. In the third pic its the little black clip that's right below the head of the ratchet above the bolt on the ignition cover on the valve cover. There are three of these. The one I just told you about and one on each end of the center cowl section. You can pop them right out with an upholstery tool. Then there are push pins in the cowl that snap into the body. There is one on each end of the cowl section near the wipers and I think there are a couple in the middle below the windshield. They are a bitch to get out for the first time. Just pull the cowl right off. It will be a bitch but you will get it.

Thanks Mike. I didn't want to pull hard because I was afraid that I would break something. I did take out out the push pins, but it still was sitting snugly in place. Thanks for the help. When I have time again, I'll try and take the cowl off so I can see how the CRV airbox will fit. Then, it is just a matter of cutting the plastic enough to clear the top of the airbox.

The other issue I still have to address is the pipe inside the airbox for the filter to make sure it will fit snugly. I tried calling you and will do so again later. I think if we can talk on the phone, I can get it all figured out.

[rotor_powerd]

Originally Posted by NitrousG35

make sure no water goes directly onto the air filter.

Unless you're planning on enough water getting in there to fill the box, this won't be an issue. The filter will still suck in 100% air even if slightly submerged in water, and even if a little water did get through, no big deal - it's just cleaning the carbon off the pistons.

[mO 64 StAnG 06]

The P-51 Mustangs has got the be the most beautiful aircraft ever made...

[NitrousG35]

Originally Posted by mO 64 StAnG 06

The P-51 Mustangs has got the be the most beautiful aircraft ever made...

You got that right my friend. On the Military Channel, it was voted the #1 all time best fighter plane ever made. It scored more points than any other fighter from World War I until now.

People don't know that the Ford Mustang was named after the P51. Also, the 1970 Dodge Challenger T/A gave credit to the design of its hood scoop to the P51's lower intake scoop.

The P51 is the first plane to actually use laminar flow principles completely on the wing and fuselage. It was way ahead of its time.

[mO 64 StAnG 06]

Oh yeah, I've seen the "Top Ten - Fighters" a couple of times also. As a kid that was my favorite aircraft; it's basically the epitome of fighters in WWII.

And thats the reason I love Ford Mustangs. I remember seeing an ad not too long ago from the 60's that showed both the car and the aircraft together. Pure ******* sex.

I think the P-51(F-82) was also the first to be conjoined twins. I don't know what the purpose was, but the two connected Mustangs in the Korean War were odd. Looked like a P-38 Lightning.

And next in line has to be the F-15E.

[Sirbelch]

Everyone knows the P-38 is the best looking USAF plane of WW2 and the F7F is the best looking USN plane of WW2 (I go to the Reno Air Races every year and the Mustangs dominate so I always root against them even though they do look damn good (did I just say that?)). The best looking plane of WW2 is the ME-262. Currently, the F-22 is the hottest thing on the market. It can out turn, out climb, out accelerate, and out stealth any front line fighter ever built. (I have 2 uncles that work for Lockheed so I'm a little bias) Best looking fighter ever, F-16XL, a delta wing design F-16 that my uncle helped designed.

Totally sucks balls about the CR-V box not fitting. If worse comes to worse, you could just run a tube to the bottom part of the stock Si air box. Some positive pressure is better than no positive pressure at all.

[Excalibur]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Everyone knows the P-38 is the best looking USAF plane of WW2 and the F7F is the best looking USN plane of WW2 (I go to the Reno Air Races every year and the Mustangs dominate so I always root against them even though they do look damn good (did I just say that?)). The best looking plane of WW2 is the ME-262. Currently, the F-22 is the hottest thing on the market. It can out turn, out climb, out accelerate, and out stealth any front line fighter ever built. (I have 2 uncles that work for Lockheed so I'm a little bias) Best looking fighter ever, F-16XL, a delta wing design F-16 that my uncle helped designed.

Totally sucks balls about the CR-V box not fitting. If worse comes to worse, you could just run a tube to the bottom part of the stock Si air box. Some positive pressure is better than no positive pressure at all.

I think the f22 looks great, but I would have to go with the joint strike fighter. F35 I believe. It was the X35 when it was in Patuxent River MD and was in developement.

[NitrousG35]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Everyone knows the P-38 is the best looking USAF plane of WW2 and the F7F is the best looking USN plane of WW2 (I go to the Reno Air Races every year and the Mustangs dominate so I always root against them even though they do look damn good (did I just say that?)). The best looking plane of WW2 is the ME-262. Currently, the F-22 is the hottest thing on the market. It can out turn, out climb, out accelerate, and out stealth any front line fighter ever built. (I have 2 uncles that work for Lockheed so I'm a little bias) Best looking fighter ever, F-16XL, a delta wing design F-16 that my uncle helped designed.

Totally sucks balls about the CR-V box not fitting. If worse comes to worse, you could just run a tube to the bottom part of the stock Si air box. Some positive pressure is better than no positive pressure at all.

Paul, the P38 and the Tigercat were great airplanes. The P38 did a stellar job, especially in the Pacific. But it was not able to deliver the goods to Berlin and back like the Mustang.

You need to read the classic book "Pursue and Destroy" by Kitt Carson. Carson flew the P39, P47, P38 and P51, but he said by far, the Mustang was the greates of them all. He noted that when behind a P38, those twin booms were a tasty target for German fighters. The Mustang was faster, had longer range, and was a superb gun platform.

As for the Tigercat, it came to late too enter the war. Same for the F8F Bearcat. Both were of the superb Grumman engineering and were rugged, fast, and could climb and turn with the best of them.

Given time, maybe the F22 will be the all time best fighter, but remember, the planes were judged based on a number of factors and are judged in light of the time they flew. Thus, the ME262, while the ultimate fighter of WWII, had limited production, had problems with the engines and didn't make the impact that say the ME109 or FW190 did.

Regarding the CRV airbox, I am not giving up. I will cut the cowl, once I figure how to get it out. Soxfan143 may have to walk me through it on the phone. It will be close, but I think it will still work. I will probably just use a small, ovular piece of firm, but flexible plastic to make the connection.

[mattsbobo]

I remember when I was a kid, my Dad took me to see the movie Empire of the Sun, and the main character kid was all about the P-51 Mustang. then later in the movie a bunch of them flew real low over a building, and I thought it was a beautiful piece of machinery.

Of course, we all know that the most awesome, beautiful planes ever made were the X-15 ( which really isn't a plane at all, but made a huge impression on me as a child after I saw The Right Stuff, then went to the Air and Space Museum), and the SR-71 Blackbird, one of the baddest planes ever.

I thought this was the Cowl Induction Thread, not Everybody's Favorite Planes of All Time

[NitrousG35]

Originally Posted by mattsbobo

I remember when I was a kid, my Dad took me to see the movie Empire of the Sun, and the main character kid was all about the P-51 Mustang. then later in the movie a bunch of them flew real low over a building, and I thought it was a beautiful piece of machinery.

Of course, we all know that the most awesome, beautiful planes ever made were the X-15 ( which really isn't a plane at all, but made a huge impression on me as a child after I saw The Right Stuff, then went to the Air and Space Museum), and the SR-71 Blackbird, one of the baddest planes ever.

I thought this was the Cowl Induction Thread, not Everybody's Favorite Planes of All Time

I think we got sidetracked Matt. One of the guys talked about my P51 signature and things just took off. I am with you on the SR-71. It might be the all time greatest technological feat ever done by the Skunkworks or any
one else for that matter.

I think we can tie in the Mustang and the cowl induction with the principles of laminar flow....

[mattsbobo]

I was just kidding about getting back on track with the cowl induction. I can appreciate all sorts of things, so if we chat about planes, cartoons, action figures, wheels, movies or whatever else, it's cool with me Bill.

[Sirbelch]

You just have to pop the cowl off. It's just held with clips. The 3 along the base are all you have to take out. The rest of the clips are connected to the under side of the cowl. Just pull man. Over the years, I have lost all three pin clips along the base and on of the 5 clips that are attached to the cowl and it still stays in place. Clips are cheap.

[NitrousG35]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

You just have to pop the cowl off. It's just held with clips. The 3 along the base are all you have to take out. The rest of the clips are connected to the under side of the cowl. Just pull man. Over the years, I have lost all three pin clips along the base and on of the 5 clips that are attached to the cowl and it still stays in place. Clips are cheap.

Thanks Paul. Soxfan143 told me the same thing. I just didn't want to muscle it out and break something. Now that I know I have removed all the clips I need to, it is just a matter of a tug of war and get that beast out of there.

[VTECnical]

The P-51 would not have been a great plane until the RR engine was installed.

[mO 64 StAnG 06]

Originally Posted by VTECnical

The P-51 would not have been a great plane until the RR engine was installed.

Yeah, before the Merlin engine was installed the Mustang was shit, and looked it too.

lol sorry for the derailment.

[mattsbobo]

Originally Posted by VTECnical

The P-51 would not have been a great plane until the RR engine was installed.

Wait, how could it have the Mugen RR engine in it? So the P-51 was up in the air hitting?






















I REALLY am kidding. I know you meant Rolls Royce

[NitrousG35]

Originally Posted by VTECnical

The P-51 would not have been a great plane until the RR engine was installed.

Wrong. Even with the Allison, the P-51A was waaay ahead of any other plane in aerodynamics. It was the first to fully utilize a laminar flow wing. The British thank God, decided to mate a Merlin with a P-51A frame and voila, the Mustang as we know it was born.

I could not imagine a Mustang making a pass without that delicious Merlin roaring by. There is something about the sound on takeoff, flybys and startups that is the greatest thing this side of heaven. I am a Mustang fanboy. Have been since 1955, which would have made me 3 years old.

[Phalanx]

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