aem fic vs hondata

[JordanASM]

my friend has a tacoma x runner and is going turbo, so for tuning he is going to use the new aem fic. after looking into it, what makes hondata so great? the aem fic is pnp, has timing control, fuel control, vtec control, nitrous and so on. best part is that its less than hondata. the only downfall is the ability to raise the rev limiter like with mapecu2. but I mean hondata voids the warranty straight up, while the fic you can just simply unplug and not have to worry about warranty work. I am just looking into new options bc I want to be able to do a self tune when I get cams. and I know k-pro, but thats not an option yet

[Hondacivicsi23]

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[rbsjnh]

aem fic is piggyback...hondata is not

piggybacks are plagued with gremlins...it is only good when you have no other option...such as hondata...

[JordanASM]

it DOES have vtec control

I know its a piggy back, and thats what I like. Im not going FI so I have no need to tune closed loop. remember I want to be able to tune my cams. what gremlins are you talking about? like furby? or the ones from ernest's scared stupid?

[confusedxpanda]

Originally Posted by JordanASM

it DOES have vtec control

I know its a piggy back, and thats what I like. Im not going FI so I have no need to tune closed loop. remember I want to be able to tune my cams. what gremlins are you talking about? like furby? or the ones from ernest's scared stupid?

uhh.. no it dont hirev posted a bunch of stuff on this. hate to say this...., but search.

according to hirev,
"But they upgraded the software and now it can do some things...THe FIC will add fuel and retard timing, and clamps and controls some sensors..That is all, it does NOT have Vtec control for our cars, and can not control VTC, better known as cam angles so it is somwhat limited..."

[JordanASM]

whats the diff between our cars vtec and the older civics besides DBW? doesnt it use engine load or tps and rpm? not trying to argue just curious

also do you know if this has been tried for sure or not?

[rbsjnh]

gremlins implying it works great today,crap tommorrow...anytime there is a piggyback the computer does not know whats going on, the ecm and piggyback end up battling trying to compensate for one another...the difference in the vtec systems is the i, which represents the cam phasing, remember old adjustable cam gears, well those days are gone, the new i-vtec advances and retards the cam shafts as necessary....this is the big deal when talking about the k...this is why it is better than old b and h series motors...

[Highrev1]

Originally Posted by confusedxpanda

uhh.. no it dont hirev posted a bunch of stuff on this. hate to say this...., but search.

according to hirev,
"But they upgraded the software and now it can do some things...THe FIC will add fuel and retard timing, and clamps and controls some sensors..That is all, it does NOT have Vtec control for our cars, and can not control VTC, better known as cam angles so it is somwhat limited..."

QFT..."Since the Honda ECU is using different fuel and timing maps for VTEC / non-VTEC, it would be much more difficult to tune the car if the FIC had full control over the VTEC engagement point. Since the FIC is only adjusting fuel and ignition trims, you would need to know exactly when the stock ECU was intending to switch timing and fuel maps.

From my understanding, the problem is that the stock ECU is not only turning the VTEC solenoid on or off, but it’s also adjusting fuel and timing when it is going into VTEC mode. You can take control of the solenoid, but you can’t take control of the fuel and maps inside the ECU. Because of this, you would have to tune around the changes in fuel and timing that the stock ECU is performing when it wants to switch to big cam lobes."

FUEL and IGNITION Retard, Sensor Spoofing, That is all this unit does....

[JordanASM]

i was reading on the aem website and it says that the fic works on all k series motors. so if one part of the fic didnt work on our car such as vtec control dont you think that aem would post that?

[Highrev1]

Originally Posted by JordanASM

i was reading on the aem website and it says that the fic works on all k series motors. so if one part of the fic didnt work on our car such as vtec control dont you think that aem would post that?

I did..what you doubt me? What if I told you that quote above was from one of the AEM Engineers, then would you?

[rbsjnh]

these arguments are killing me...you want a n/a tuning solution wait for hondata, otherwise you are wasting your money

[confusedxpanda]

i dont even think kpro will come out for our car. I bet hondata is just like w/e for our cars hahah

[Highrev1]

Hondata has spent over 50K on this car already from what I understand

[rbsjnh]

it wont be kpro, for it is all new...they need to develop something, do you think they are just gonna give up? we have the same issues as all the new hondas, they must develop something, I'm pretty sure Doug's plan is not to just close shop...

[SpeedDemon]

Originally Posted by JordanASM

the aem fic is pnp, :

Plug and play?

I dont think they have a plug and play yet for the fi/c

[Highrev1]

No Doubt they do...Boomslang.us

[SpeedDemon]

Thats awsome! I could of sworn it wasnt plug and play, I could of sworn they were getting into the process of making it PnP. Wow, nice.

Now piggybacks arent like Standalones, but this system is by far better then most of the others out for our cause, and ive had many good compliments about it.

[Highrev1]

At almost 800 bucks to make it PNP...Gotta decide wether its needed now or you can wait.

[SpeedDemon]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

At almost 800 bucks to make it PNP...Gotta decide wether its needed now or you can wait.

What?! Thats not what I meant.lol

The AEM Fi/c system itself costs a good 400 bucks, but what I was reading is that the system will be soon Plug and Play which to me meant that it will be like the Greddy Ultimate which is PnP and comes with the kit. So that is why im asking if the system itself has been refinished as a Pnp system.

Which indeed it isnt. Unless you buy pnp harness in the side.

[Highrev1]

I would bet that is the ONLY way it wil be PNP is through Boomslang...Call AEM, but I would bet they say the same thing..